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Old 12-08-2008, 17:14
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Hello

Have just been looking in the new argos book and the TVs seem very very expensive.

They want £799.99 for a Sony 32in KDL32W400

Does any one else think this is a bit much for just a 32in screen?
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Old 12-08-2008, 17:27
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I think it's cause it 1080p HD and also has freeview and a Bravia Engine Pro. Plus cause it Sony make (maybe).
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Old 12-08-2008, 17:28
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Went to press months before when prices on the high street were higher, limitation of a catalogue based operation and the inertia it creates when faced with what has become a volatile market which has bucked the trend in terms of ever increasing prices.
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Old 12-08-2008, 17:32
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Went to press months before when prices on the high street were higher, limitation of a catalogue based operation and the inertia it creates when faced with what has become a volatile market which has bucked the trend in terms of ever increasing prices.

What?
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Old 12-08-2008, 17:39
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I have seen the same TV for £700 on other sites.
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Old 12-08-2008, 18:01
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What he means is it takes too long to change prices in a catalogue. Plus prices on almost everything else have gone up recently, but tellys are getting cheaper.
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Old 12-08-2008, 19:15
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It also allows Argos to have " massive sales" - so when they offer this for £699 inline with many other retailers they can promote £100 off (or whatever), also that £799 was the typical price a month back so would be about right.

Richersounds are doing it for around £660 or £730 with 5 year guarantee.... Sony Centres seem to do it for £799 with 5 year guarantee and option to buy a Sony Blu Ray player for £50.

Incidentally, this TV produces some great pictures on SD and HD programmes.
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Old 12-08-2008, 19:20
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What he means is it takes too long to change prices in a catalogue. Plus prices on almost everything else have gone up recently, but tellys are getting cheaper.



Spot on
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Old 12-08-2008, 19:36
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Sony = overpriced tat.

Panasonic ftw!!
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Old 12-08-2008, 20:17
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Sony = overpriced tat.

Panasonic ftw!!
well I suppose opinions are like.........!*%$£~#'s.....and everyone has one.

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Old 12-08-2008, 22:56
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It also allows Argos to have " massive sales" - so when they offer this for £699 inline with many other retailers they can promote £100 off (or whatever), also that £799 was the typical price a month back so would be about right.

Richersounds are doing it for around £660 or £730 with 5 year guarantee.... Sony Centres seem to do it for £799 with 5 year guarantee and option to buy a Sony Blu Ray player for £50.

Incidentally, this TV produces some great pictures on SD and HD programmes.
I think you're looking at the wrong models - Richer Sounds have the W4000 for £ 679 not the W400.

The W400 doesn't even appear on Pricerunner though John Lewis show it for £ 799 as well.

I'm guessing the W400 is the new version - no idea what the difference is - that's probably a question for someone like Nigel Goodwin as he works for a Sony dealership....
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Old 13-08-2008, 09:46
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I'm guessing the W400 is the new version - no idea what the difference is - that's probably a question for someone like Nigel Goodwin as he works for a Sony dealership....
Don't ask me, I just repair them!

I'm as bewildered as everyone else by Sony model numbers.
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Old 13-08-2008, 15:41
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I can understand the point of local independent retailers (better service if you are lucky). I can understand the point of John Lewis (5 yr guarantee). I can understand the point of "whoever's cheapest on the internet". But I can't understand why anyone would go to Argos for a TV (unless it happened to be the cheapest, which in this case it clearly isn't).
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Old 13-08-2008, 16:08
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I can understand the point of John Lewis (5 yr guarantee).
Why, when most Sony's come with a free 5 year guarantee from their dealers?.
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Old 13-08-2008, 19:58
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I think you're looking at the wrong models - Richer Sounds have the W4000 for £ 679 not the W400.

The W400 doesn't even appear on Pricerunner though John Lewis show it for £ 799 as well.

I'm guessing the W400 is the new version - no idea what the difference is - that's probably a question for someone like Nigel Goodwin as he works for a Sony dealership....
No idea what a W400 is, I don't think it exists.....I think it's safe to say the O/P means W4000 as this is a fairly new model.

I was a bit out on the Richersounds price, apologies for the confusion (I was going by memory and apparently my memory isn't what it used to be) but I was only out by £19 and what's that in todays prices when petrol nearlys costs that a gallon
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Old 14-08-2008, 08:57
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Why, when most Sony's come with a free 5 year guarantee from their dealers?.
because the sony dealer price is generally inflated to include cost of the 5y guarantee, compared to independant dealers with whom you can then price match them againt JL to get a lower price + 5 y guarantee
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Old 14-08-2008, 09:13
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because the sony dealer price is generally inflated to include cost of the 5y guarantee, compared to independant dealers with whom you can then price match them againt JL to get a lower price + 5 y guarantee
Most "dealers" are independant operations using the Sony Centre or shop@Panasonic franchise scheme.
The prices are not inflated when the 5 year promos come along as these are backed by the manufacturer not the shop. The fact that the prices are higher than on line is because it costs a lot more to have a propper shop with trained staff that actually know what they are talking about and can look after the customer before and after the sale. What really Pis**s me off are people who need all the help in the world to choose a tv, take up hours of your time then pull out an internet price. As far as I'm concerned they should have the decency to say up-front they are looking at on line price so we can try to match the service we give o the price they want to pay.
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Old 14-08-2008, 11:22
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All I'll say is shop around, I got the 46w4000 for the price of the 40W4000. Just ask people to price match.
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Old 14-08-2008, 12:00
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I try to support our local independent retailer where you can see different brands side by side. I can't see the point of an all-Sony or all-Panasonic shop - for me the whole point of going into a shop is to compare.

I'll happily pay a 10-15% premium locally over internet prices as our local shop has friendly intelligent staff with independent advice (not plugging a particular brand), free delivery, 10 months interest-free credit on everything (if you ask for it), and on the odd occasion where a product has been disappointing they've swapped it for something else.

I wouldn't ask them to match an internet price but I might allude to internet prices and ask if there's any flexibility - there often is. I do agree people who use up hours of expertise in a shop only to insist on an internet price which includes no expertise and very little service are parasites. But it's up to the local shop to provide good reasons to support them. Let's face it, some local retailers are a lot better than others. But use 'em or lose 'em.
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Old 14-08-2008, 12:43
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Most "dealers" are independant operations using the Sony Centre or shop@Panasonic franchise scheme.
Not at all, by far the greater numbers of Sony dealers are entirely independent - nothing to do with the Sony or Panasonic franchise shops - there are relatively few of those (particularly Panasonic, where many have gone bust).
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Old 14-08-2008, 16:40
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All I'll say is shop around, I got the 46w4000 for the price of the 40W4000. Just ask people to price match.
Shop around or click around, just don't expect to be able to do both. If you want to ask questions at least expect to pay for the answers.
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Old 14-08-2008, 16:44
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As have many Sony Centres or been taken over by Sony to keep them going. Why does it always have to be an attack on Panasonic? Panasonic a few years ago just didn't have the advertising to back up the idea of a shop@Panasonic. Sony on the other piles Bundles into supporting them on both TV and local Press.
Also the term "dealer" in the context it was originally used normally refers to a Brand name such as Vauxhall or Ford, as in The "Vauxhall Dealer". Yes many shops selling Panasonic or Sony are owned by people having no connection to the brand, but most people call these stockists.
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Old 14-08-2008, 20:31
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As have many Sony Centres or been taken over by Sony to keep them going.
Have they?, I wasn't aware any have been taken over by Sony - and while I have heard some have closed, none of the ones I've ever seen have closed (yet!). Sony DID take over some of the SES services centres, but they couldn't make a go of them either.


Why does it always have to be an attack on Panasonic? Panasonic a few years ago just didn't have the advertising to back up the idea of a shop@Panasonic.
It's not an attack on Panasonic, just a statement of what I've seen - with none of the Panasonic shops I've seen havving survived for very long. I'm hoping a more local one does better, as it's been opened by a company we're friendly with.

The failure high of Panasonic shops was said to be due to Panasonic dropping support for them, due to their own financial problems. Possibly those are behind them now?, and hopefully they may do better.

However, it's always going to be difficult trying to sell just a single make.


Sony on the other piles Bundles into supporting them on both TV and local Press.
As Panasonic did originally, and (presumably?) are doing again.

BTW, it may interest you that the only VCR I've ever bought was a Panasonic one!


Also the term "dealer" in the context it was originally used normally refers to a Brand name such as Vauxhall or Ford, as in The "Vauxhall Dealer". Yes many shops selling Panasonic or Sony are owned by people having no connection to the brand, but most people call these stockists.
Almost all are Sony dealers, and only Sony dealers are allowed to use Sony dealer signage and get advertising support etc.

A 'stockist' would be someone like Tesco's who occasionally stock Sony, but aren't any kind of dealer.
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Old 15-08-2008, 13:03
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Have been chatting to the Rep for Pana recently re the financial problems that you keep refering to. He said that like Sony there were issues a few years ago but they are history now and the company is doing fine now.
I'm also confused about the last post as it seems to contradict me and say the same thing at the same time!
I have only ever had Sony car audio, in interest of fairness!!!
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Old 15-08-2008, 13:13
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Have been chatting to the Rep for Pana recently re the financial problems that you keep refering to. He said that like Sony there were issues a few years ago but they are history now and the company is doing fine now.
I presumed as much, I couldn't see Panasonic not restructuring like Sony did - the entire domestic electronics business has changed, and manufacturers have to change with it. Sharp have also restructured massively, replacing their massive Manchester facility with just a small office, and shifting almost everything down south.


I'm also confused about the last post as it seems to contradict me and say the same thing at the same time!
Life is often confusing


I have only ever had Sony car audio, in interest of fairness!!!
I've got Sony DVD players and recorders, that's all, I've NEVER had a Sony TV.

Been in the trade you have what you 'come across', I've never bought a TV in my life

If someone slapped a pile of twenty pound notes in my hand, and said I've got to spend it there and then on a TV, I probably wouldn't have any more idea than posters here what to buy!.
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