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Old 13-08-2008, 15:34
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Now dont get me wrong, the poor man had a stroke, and I like John Bardon as much as the next person, and my heart really does go out to him and his family.

however, even though strokes can leave people with speech problems when they talk, did anyone feel that John was putting it on a bit for the character?

I realise his speech probably wasn't great anyway, but I felt he was "over-doing it" for the character, making his speech worse than it really is.
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Old 13-08-2008, 15:37
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That never even crossed my mind. I believe that is what he is like in real life.
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Old 13-08-2008, 15:41
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It's really sad that he suffered a 2nd stroke.

I would imagine it's bad enough having 1, but 2.........
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Old 13-08-2008, 15:42
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Nope i dont believe he was.

Some stroke victims get very agitated if they cannot say or express how they are feeling hence why at one stage jim was shouting. its very frustrating for someone not to be able to be understood or get accross their point

i know some sufferers who never regain their speech and im sure he will be getting some input from the speech therapist.

Some poor souls cannot talk at all and just spend their time shouting in the hope someone can understand what they are trying to say/do
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Old 13-08-2008, 15:44
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Now dont get me wrong, the poor man had a stroke, and I like John Bardon as much as the next person, and my heart really does go out to him and his family.

however, even though strokes can leave people with speech problems when they talk, did anyone feel that John was putting it on a bit for the character?
I realise his speech probably wasn't great anyway, but I felt he was "over-doing it" for the character, making his speech worse than it really is.
NO! - he didn't need to put it on! What a weird thing to ask, especially since his wife has mentioned he can hardly talk, what he can do is swear, when he does talk it's mumbled and garbled.
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Old 13-08-2008, 15:45
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Nope i dont believe he was.

Some stroke victims get very agitated if they cannot say or express how they are feeling hence why at one stage jim was shouting. its very frustrating for someone not to be able to be understood or get accross their point

i know some sufferers who never regain their speech and im sure he will be getting some input from the speech therapist.

Some poor souls cannot talk at all and just spend their time shouting in the hope someone can understand what they are trying to say/do
When watching Jim I felt bad for John and was wondering if they would give him a speech computer since he has the use of his hands.
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Old 13-08-2008, 15:46
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No don't believe he was 'over doing it' either.

Al depends on the stroke as to how speech/actions are affected.

Just sad he won't be back
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Old 13-08-2008, 15:48
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It has been a few months since his stroke so i dont know what the recovery of speech progress is and my mate who is a speech therapist is on hols or id ask her. Depends obv on the severity of the stroke whether it was a right or left hand side etc etc.

It would be an idea though you could make out some of what he was saying so he could well make more progress
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Old 13-08-2008, 15:48
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NO! - he didn't need to put it on! What a weird thing to ask
Why is it a weird thing to ask?

John is such a great actor, that you just cant tell if he was "adding it" to the character.
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Old 13-08-2008, 15:49
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No don't believe he was 'over doing it' either.

Al depends on the stroke as to how speech/actions are affected.

Just sad he won't be back

it is very said indeed
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Old 13-08-2008, 15:50
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Why is it a weird thing to ask?

John is such a great actor, that you just cant tell if he was "adding it" to the character.

i dont think john was adding to it i think he played jims stroke as his own so no acting was really done if that makes sense at all
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Old 13-08-2008, 15:58
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i dont think john was adding to it i think he played jims stroke as his own so no acting was really done if that makes sense at all
That kind of made it even harder to bear seeing him like that

Its made me think about donating to a stroke charity.
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Old 13-08-2008, 16:04
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i agree it made me very emotional because I knew John had gone through this and it wasnt just an actor playing a part it was for real

shed a tear over the course of the episode.
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Old 13-08-2008, 16:10
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Why is it a weird thing to ask?

John is such a great actor, that you just cant tell if he was "adding it" to the character.
Might have been just me, but I didn't think he needed to act out anything regarding his speech, what we saw is exactly how his wife described his speech to be. It made hard viewing, a bit like car crash tv in a way. Poor man seemed to desperate to get back to his old self that he pushed himself too hard.
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Old 13-08-2008, 16:14
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Even though there was obviously a script, I thought that sometimes June was helping John out by translating what he had said. They are great friends in real life and she stays with John and his wife one night a week so would be used to the way he now speaks. It was such a sad but powerful episode.
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Old 13-08-2008, 16:15
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I am sure all concerned are looking after him and wont let him over stretch himself
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Old 13-08-2008, 16:17
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It's really sad that he suffered a 2nd stroke.

I would imagine it's bad enough having 1, but 2.........
He hasn't had a second stroke.

No don't believe he was 'over doing it' either.

Al depends on the stroke as to how speech/actions are affected.

Just sad he won't be back
There's been no confirmation that he won't be back.
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Old 13-08-2008, 16:19
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Nope i dont believe he was.

Some stroke victims get very agitated if they cannot say or express how they are feeling hence why at one stage jim was shouting. its very frustrating for someone not to be able to be understood or get accross their point

i know some sufferers who never regain their speech and im sure he will be getting some input from the speech therapist.

Some poor souls cannot talk at all and just spend their time shouting in the hope someone can understand what they are trying to say/do
I was wondering...can he not write things down? Would be a whole lot easier for him. But they do say it's good for stroke victims to try to talk so I guess they more they do it the better.

The one thing John has is a very expressive face. You could see that Jim was still in there somewhere. Parts of it were acted. Other parts felt very close to home for him. But that just added to the specialness of the episode. It was a remarkable episode.
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Old 13-08-2008, 16:23
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I was wondering...can he not write things down? Would be a whole lot easier for him. But they do say it's good for stroke victims to try to talk so I guess they more they do it the better.

The one thing John has is a very expressive face. You could see that Jim was still in there somewhere. Parts of it were acted. Other parts felt very close to home for him. But that just added to the specialness of the episode. It was a remarkable episode.
although he has movement of his hands some people have problems holding a pen that function can be affected.

It all depends on the stroke type as different strokes affect different parts of the body. some stroke victims are paralysed down one side. others their speech and motor skills are affected like john
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Old 13-08-2008, 16:24
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It did look like one of his hands/arms had been affected by the stroke. It was limp.
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Old 13-08-2008, 16:25
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I was wondering...can he not write things down? Would be a whole lot easier for him. But they do say it's good for stroke victims to try to talk so I guess they more they do it the better.

The one thing John has is a very expressive face. You could see that Jim was still in there somewhere. Parts of it were acted. Other parts felt very close to home for him. But that just added to the specialness of the episode. It was a remarkable episode.
I wasnt really talking about his whole acting im was more referring to his speech and his walking etc etc i know jim was in there we could see it coming through what i meant was he wasnt adding to his acting of a stroke victim cos he didnt have too

as indigo has said his wife has commented in interviews several times that hes struggling with his speech so to me that was real no acting
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Old 13-08-2008, 16:27
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After reading what his wife to say about his speech I was surprised to see him talk on screen at all - very pleasantly surprised. I thought he did very well and was certainly not acting to appear worse than it actually was.
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Old 13-08-2008, 16:57
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I dont believe it was put on at all

Even before he had the second stroke i think the episode showed why he will not be able to make a full time return but id like to see him make occasional cameo apperances
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Old 13-08-2008, 17:03
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I wasnt really talking about his whole acting im was more referring to his speech and his walking etc etc i know jim was in there we could see it coming through what i meant was he wasnt adding to his acting of a stroke victim cos he didnt have too

as indigo has said his wife has commented in interviews several times that hes struggling with his speech so to me that was real no acting
I am sort of wondering why people are thinking he needed to make the stroke appear worse than the one he had in real life, as if having a stroke wasn't terrible enough, imo that would have been a big mistake, they did brilliantly getting him in to sit down and have everyone act around him so he could be Jim and himself at the same time without too much stress.
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Old 13-08-2008, 17:04
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He hasn't had a second stroke.
I'm afraid he has:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-20690330/
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