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Would the BBC ever allow Doctor Who to be re imagined?
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Connie Beachamp
24-08-2008
sorry for using that god awfull word re imagined, but after the utter mess that has been made of the Life on Mars remake, is there ever any chance the BBC would ever allow their most popular show after New Tricks to be massacred by an american network?

personally i would not want to see an inferior american copy of the doctor damage the uk original, it would be like desecrating the original Law & Order and moving it to London, oh wait they are already making that mess,
AshSan
24-08-2008
How does it ruin the original..they're two seperate products.
Millard1111
24-08-2008
I don't think the US would bother. I'm an American over here and chat tons with friends over there - they love Doctor Who and it gets good ratings over there so don't (at least really hope!) they would not try to change it
ImperialMint
24-08-2008
Originally Posted by Connie Beachamp:
“sorry for using that god awfull word re imagined, but after the utter mess that has been made of the Life on Mars remake, is there ever any chance the BBC would ever allow their most popular show after New Tricks to be massacred by an american network?

personally i would not want to see an inferior american copy of the doctor damage the uk original, it would be like desecrating the original Law & Order and moving it to London, oh wait they are already making that mess,”

Yes, they would do. It would be easy to justify for the reasons AshSan said.
madcapmonster
24-08-2008
They do it ever y time there is a new Doctor, I have been watching the Dr Who shown on scifi this weekend and I have to say that the rules and intelligence of the Doctor has no resemblance to what we have seen from the last two Doctors.
Also there is a problem with continuity with the old Doctors, the episode on Gallifrey where the last incarnation of the doctor was hanging around, given that they are all dead now I can’t see how they can do that
amos_brearley
24-08-2008
Which episode? The "last" incarnation - do you mean final or previous? Not sure what you're on about, but if it's "The Trial of a Time Lord", the Valeyard was only a potential future version and we don't know whether it was set in the Sixth Doctor's own present or not. If that isn't what you're on about, then apologies!
Jon Ross
24-08-2008
Originally Posted by Connie Beachamp:
“sorry for using that god awfull word re imagined, but after the utter mess that has been made of the Life on Mars remake, is there ever any chance the BBC would ever allow their most popular show after New Tricks to be massacred by an american network?

personally i would not want to see an inferior american copy of the doctor damage the uk original, it would be like desecrating the original Law & Order and moving it to London, oh wait they are already making that mess,”

The BBC already has, with the 1996 TV Movie and then the Russell T Davies show.

I would once have been completely against an American take on Doctor Who. However, having seen what RTD has done to the show, the Americans couldn't make it any more cringeworthy, surely?
Topov
24-08-2008
Originally Posted by Jon Ross:
“The BBC already has, with the 1996 TV Movie and then the Russell T Davies show.

I would once have been completely against an American take on Doctor Who. However, having seen what RTD has done to the show, the Americans couldn't make it any more cringeworthy, surely?”

Can't you..? Really..?
crazzyaz7
24-08-2008
Originally Posted by Jon Ross:
“The BBC already has, with the 1996 TV Movie and then the Russell T Davies show.

I would once have been completely against an American take on Doctor Who. However, having seen what RTD has done to the show, the Americans couldn't make it any more cringeworthy, surely?”

No more cringy than things they have done in the classic series....both have plus points and negative points with every re-imagining over the last 45years
WebbieOTW
24-08-2008
The only American who could do the job would probably be Joss Whedon, there was even a mention of DW in one of the Buffy episodes, by the nerd gang annoyingly!!
be more pacific
25-08-2008
Originally Posted by Connie Beachamp:
“sorry for using that god awfull word re imagined, but after the utter mess that has been made of the Life on Mars remake, is there ever any chance the BBC would ever allow their most popular show after New Tricks to be massacred by an american network?”

It's way too soon to be calling the American Life on Mars an utter mess. The finished version will be made by a different production team in a different location and several characters have been recast, so don't write it off on the strength of the 'leaked' pilot episode.

Remember the slagging the American remake of The Office got on the strength of a pilot episode with a recycled script?
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...99#post3300899
Padders12
25-08-2008
I usually lurk on here but what the hell

Not sure about a reimagine, but hey..open minds and all that

More a comment on the other comments about bad times, classic series, RTD etc..

**Very few** people on here can span the entire series in its context going back to '63. Even me lol (go back to around '74 viewing-wise..). I'm always puzzled by how people can't see a show was made in a context at a specific time..e.g. reflects politics/fashions/whatever of the era. Point is, the classic series did just that, was to most breathtaking at the time as a kid watching it, some looks dreadful now along with all manner of other TV (dear me!) and in some ways, same applies to modern series (e.g. even 2006 looks out of date now..).
So just an observation really..best to always take these 'takes' or imaginings or whatever as a product of their time/influence.........
Listentome
25-08-2008
Originally Posted by madcapmonster:
“They do it ever y time there is a new Doctor, I have been watching the Dr Who shown on scifi this weekend and I have to say that the rules and intelligence of the Doctor has no resemblance to what we have seen from the last two Doctors.
Also there is a problem with continuity with the old Doctors, the episode on Gallifrey where the last incarnation of the doctor was hanging around, given that they are all dead now I can’t see how they can do that”

Sorry I'm a bit confused by what you are getting at here. Could you explain?
G. Fieendish
26-08-2008
Re: last post
It's a reference to The Valeyard, which according to the 14 part story Trial of a Timelord a/k/a season 23 , is effectively Doctor "12.5", as the story explains, he supposedly "exists" between the 12th & 13th Doctors,
& is considered a "possible future" of The Doctor,
although some fans have proposed that he's a "possible alternative past"...
The Valeyard is potentally far more ruthless than the Doctor, & could be considered as the Doctor, if he really is the Doctor, which is playing with "The Dark Side", to paraphrase Star Wars (TM), in order to achieve his aims...
G. Fieendish
26-08-2008
Eeeeek....
Double post
CAMERA OBSCURA
26-08-2008
Originally Posted by madcapmonster:
“Also there is a problem with continuity with the old Doctors, the episode on Gallifrey where the last incarnation of the doctor was hanging around, given that they are all dead now I can’t see how they can do that”

The old Doctor Who series weren't always faithful to continuities from it's previous incarnations, infact continuity to previous story lines involving previous Doctors were very rare, returning monsters being the only link. It is nothing new to any Who era, and if anything the new Who's are far more faithful to continuity from over all previous eras of Who than the 'classics' were to themselves.
James ONeill
26-08-2008
Originally Posted by WebbieOTW:
“The only American who could do the job would probably be Joss Whedon, there was even a mention of DW in one of the Buffy episodes, by the nerd gang annoyingly!!”

Ah yes. The one where they claimed to have seen every episode, not quite realising about the missing ones! Unless one of their first projects was to make a time machine to recover the lost Doctor Who episodes.
applesandpears
26-08-2008
I doubt the BBC would want anyone going off and re-imagining the series for elsewhere. Maybe one day they'll be co-producing with an American network or something, maybe for a bigger budget but who knows!
phylo_roadking
27-08-2008
Wait a second...

It's a time- and space-travelling show.

Technically-speaking - they reimagine the ENTIRE UNIVERSE every time the Dr. walks out of the Tardis door...
NewbieCanuck
27-08-2008
Regardless of whether or not the BBC would allow it, I really can't imagine any American interest. Shows the whole family watches together simply don't exist anymore there. In fact, the U.S. networks don't even bother having original shows on Saturday nights anymore because the viewing figures are so low.
crazzyaz7
27-08-2008
Originally Posted by NewbieCanuck:
“Regardless of whether or not the BBC would allow it, I really can't imagine any American interest. Shows the whole family watches together simply don't exist anymore there. In fact, the U.S. networks don't even bother having original shows on Saturday nights anymore because the viewing figures are so low.”

Thats what I've said in other threads....I mean I am no expert in American viewing habits, as I don't live there....but from the stuff we get from there, I have never come across a programme which is defined for the whole family....I mean you get stuff for the young children e.g Rugrats, the young teens e.g Hannah Montanna (did I spell that right???), the teens e.g OC, and then programmes which appeal to the adults and late teens e.g Lost, Heroes, Desperate Houswives etc etc

It seems that if anything is watched as a family, then its probably reality shows like America's Got Talent, American Idol etc....but that pattern is found here as well....

I think we are quite lucky to have a show like DW and other shows like Primeval, Robin Hood, and the upcoming Merlin to bring the family together without it being some reality contest
NewbieCanuck
27-08-2008
Cable and satellite penetration is much higher in the US, so the viewing is more fragmented. There are no American shows anymore that attract an audience the size of Who, or Coronation Street on a per capita basis. In the past there were a number of series that cut across many age groups

Doctor Who's longevity works in its favour as well. Except for soap operas, what other programme can parents and grandparents remember from their own childhood and still enjoy with their children and grandchildren?

My prediction is that Merlin will be quite successful in the UK and disappear swiftly in the U.S.
stateofgameplay
27-08-2008
Originally Posted by NewbieCanuck:
“My prediction is that Merlin will be quite successful in the UK and disappear swiftly in the U.S.”

Wait till you see Colin Morgan act. He's very good.
Very, very good.
I think America might take to him.
vaughan6477
27-08-2008
Originally Posted by phylo_roadking:
“Wait a second...

It's a time- and space-travelling show.

Technically-speaking - they reimagine the ENTIRE UNIVERSE every time the Dr. walks out of the Tardis door...”

Just as long as the entire universe looks like it could be filmed in Cardiff and occasionally London
NewbieCanuck
27-08-2008
Originally Posted by stateofgameplay:
“Wait till you see Colin Morgan act. He's very good.
Very, very good.
I think America might take to him.”

Oh, my comment certainly shouldn't be taken as disparaging towards Colin (who I saw in Midnight, of course) or anyone else involved in Merlin.

But family shows and fantasy shows rarely succeed on American broadcast networks. If it were airing on a cable network, where audiences are smaller, it might be considered a success
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