Okayy after Bad Wolf, Jack goes an tries to find the Doctor but ends up in the 1800s yes? Joins Torchwood an all the rest of it Blah Blah Blah....

In Boom Town the Doctor and Current Jack are parked in the TARDIS right outside the hub (which is essentially Jacks office lol) and he doesnt notice? He has crossed his own timeline surely? The Jack that lived thru the 19th & 20th century tryin to find the Doctor, would have been there in Cardiff? I find it hard to believe that he wouldnt notice the TARDIS parked outside his office for 24 hours if he was lookin for the Doctor?

Or have i completely confused the situation an am talkin rubbish lol please help

He did but knew he couldn't meet him due to crossing his own timeline. He also stopped the team going out to deal with it as well.

I can't remember is Boom Town in series 1? If so, then Capt Jack that's in Torchwood would know that his past self (pre-immortal self) was there too and didn't want to risk bumping into himself?

Or it could be that the writers didn't know the Capt Jack in Torchwood, existed then!

Ah, don't remember him stopping them team. When did he do that?

Yeaa i was just thinking that? I spose it makes sense that he knew he was out there so he stayed away!! I dont recall the bit with him stopping the team tho?

I think we can only presume he did this....as series 1 of TW was set after series 2 of DW and before series 3....so as we know he said in Utopia that he was looking for a future version of the Doctor that had left him on Sat5 and the one who's hand he had....so even though Jack wouldn't of had the hand at the time, he would have been aware of when the rift would split because he would know that Margaret was Mayor, and he know how it was dealt with, so he wouldn't have gone and he certainly wouldn't have made his team go up either....its timey wimey stuff again....big circle rather than a straight line....

I get it now =) Thanks guys...

Corrr this Wibbly Wobbly gear is confusing sometimes aint it :L

I was wondering this the other day, funnily enough. My presumption is that what we saw of Boom Town took place within the "original timeline", before Jack ever ended up in the 19th century. It wasn't until after he went back to the 1800s, that he would've spawned a "new timeline" (rewritting history), and in this new timeline of course he would eventually become the leader of Torchwood Three. So maybe the hub as we know it at least, wasn't there in Boom Town (not from our point of view anyway).

Also, although it isn't specified exactly when Jack established/took over Torchwood's Cardiff office, we know it was sometime after the events of Doomsday, a good year or so after Boom Town. So I'm presuming that what happened in Boom Town was before Jack worked for Torchwood anyway.

Then there's the issue of crossing his own timeline and all that jazz, he might've thought it was too risky so chose not to intervene.

Hope I haven't confused you, I do tend to ramble on a bit with these things. Just think of it as some "timey whimey" reason.

Jack became Head of Torchwood Three Jan 1st 2000 (as seen in the episode Fragments) so 6 years before the events of Boomtown.

I believe that Jack was there is the "Original Timeline". If someone doesn't believe that, then good for them, but that same person shouldn't believe that Jack is the "Face of Boe", because they knew of the existence of the Face of Boe before they ever met Jack.

By the way, I do not believe that Jack is the dreads in a jar "Face of Boe". It's just another of those things like when the Doctors and Rose noticed that Gwen looks an awful lot like Gwyneth.

When his brother burys him alive, he tells the people that dug him up that he's crossed his own timeline, so they like froze him, he probs would of said that he knew what was going to happen and stuff!

Yep, simple answer is Jack *is* down in the Hub during "Boomtown" but knows that everything turns out ok thanks to the Doctor, so instructs Ianto, Tosh, Owen and Suzie to ignore it. Maybe if he wanted to avoid them asking awkward questions he might have taken them out on some wild goose chase that day/night in addition.

It also means he knew the 'earthquake' was coming and could have taken precautions so that the Hub was safe?

I guess so, although Jack probably likes the odd crack every now and then.

You know that you're going to hell, don't you?

Look me up when you get there.

It would have been so much easier NOT to set TORCHWOOD base under the bay area. Not sure why RTD did this) becasue you could argue that, pre-DOOMSDAY, TORCHWOOD organisation was in the business of DR WHO hunting, as per HM VICTORIAS edict and their 'prime directive' so to have his travelling box on top of them for a day would have spurred them into action.

The JACK in TW, at this time, is the JACK who travelled back 100 years and is living through to the present, not the JACK who later travels back 2000 and is buried in the ground to wake up in 1900(ish) and is subsequently frozen in TW3 to be thawed out in 2008. So there are 3 JACKS in CARDIFF in 2005 at the time of BOOM TOWN... wibbly wobbly scripty wipty..

Its best not to think about it

Would have been nice to see it covered in the flashback bits in the last series of Torchwood though

So am I correct in thinking Jack's time line goes something like...

Long time ahead in future (as a "con man")
WW2 (meets doc 9)
Travel briefly to 2005
Jumps to Future earth (on Games station)
1800 to 2008 ( joining TW then jumps back in time)
2000 years in the past (burried) to 2008 (dug up)


which means since the day he met the doc and Rose 2208 years (aprox) have passed in his life

Have I missed anything

The year on board the valiant! Even though it was rolled back for everyone else he still lived it because he was in the eye of the needle (So the Doctor said!)

Eye of the storm**



Haha sorry couldnt resist lol im 1 of the very few that actually liked them episodes =)


*RUNS AWAY TO HIDE*

Gosh that was a bad error I am normally very good, Was gonna edit it but know you have pointed it out I am going to leave it to posterity

Must have been thinking about sowing my pants or something

Haha =)

Sorry i didnt mean to be so quick to pounce on it lol just wen i read it i thought 'i know jack tries his hardest to be IN everything, but the eye of a needle is a bit ambitious?'

I know I wrote it went away to make a cup of tea and then realised what I had said. Rushed back to edit it but alas too late.

Be warned I will be keeping my eyes open for any mistakes you make now Only kidding!

You've got your work cut out lol i act like i know but half the stuff i say is probly wrong lol