I am intrigued to know why people don't like Hayley and why they want her out of SCD quickly.

I don't know anything about her I will reserve my judgment but I am liking Mark so I hoping she is ok.

thanks just curious as to why

winnie
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I wasn't a fan of hers, purely because she seems to have taken Nicole cutlers place, but being a huge Mark Foster fan I really hope the public don't take an instant dislike to her, Id like Mark to stay in for a while.
PS, if you are a fan of Marks, I have just started an appreciation thread for him

Because she's not a fraction as talented as Nicole, maybe?

Absolutely mad decision by the BBC.

Because the bbc choice was her fault
I take it you dislike the other female pro on this basis then?

Exactly! Makes no sense, she didn't choose who gets cut

The position was open & she got the job. If not Hayley, someone else would've made the most of the opportunity, & why not.

Hey!, don't be so rude! . I was actually replying to Winnie's post asking why some people dislike her already. Don't be so quick to jump in and have a go at me. I wish both Haley and Mark all the best.

Me too. The better everyone does, the more interesting this'll make it

thanks everyone pleased to see not everyone is aganist Hayley

fancyfirefoot I have joined your Mark Appreciation thread thank you , I will be on there a lot, along with Brendans

winnie

I'm reserving judgement till I see her dance. Its only fair. I dont understand the hate either.

Personally, one reason is because she took Nicole's place and isn't fit to lick Nicole's boots purely based on dancing ability. Irrational? Probably, but it doesn't change my opinion. Second reason is her in the sun wittering on about showmances. I'd like her to go out early, in the hope that the bbc realises that the public do not want young, blonde, semi-talented dancers like Hayley, we want world-class dancers like Nicole.

Its cos shes blonde and fit. Nuff said.

I've not been following this very closely - is it definitely Hayley that took Nicole's spot and not Kristina, and if so, how do we know?

I think Nicole was dumped because shes never got anywhere near the final. I know shes had some crappy partners but shes probably on average judges score been the worst pro.

http://www.nzrealitytv.com/2008/08/n...yley-holt.html

To be fair to Hayley, she was apparently misquoted in the Mail.
She has a steady boyfriend and is not interested in a show-mance.

I am very upset about what happened to Nicole and I would choose to have her back over any new dancer. However, it is not Hayley’s fault that Nicole has gone.

I don’t know Hayley at all, so I will keep an open mind until I see her for myself.

I don't think we do know. There's a sort of assumption that Brian and Kristina came as a pair because they both did DWTS, but in fact Kristina only did the DWTS tour and not the TV series, and I've not heard of them dancing together before.

Kristina is also pretty near to Nicole's height, so it's nonsense that the BBC claimed not to be able to find Nicole a partner... although I'm not sure Nicole would have appreciated partnering John Sergeant!

I've just had a look - and you're right. The only professional to have had a lower average score than Nicole was Hazel Newberry (who had the misfortune of dancing with Quentin Wilson...).


Thanks for that. It's interesting then, if Hayley gets more wrath than Kristina then when it could just be that they needed three dancers and got them, rather than they needed someone to replace Nicole, chose Hayley and then used Kristina and Brian to bulk up to sixteen.

And no, I can't imagine, given her track record, Nicole'd've thanked the BBC for John... though you never know, he could be good!

I don't think it's relevant to look at average scores when Nicole's partners have been so bad. Her average with John was around 27- not at all bad for such a big guy.

I have no problem with Hayley, esp as she seems to have been misquoted about the romance. I would love Nicole to come back but it's not Hayleys fault she has gone.

No, she's not had brilliant partners... but I still think it's quite interesting to see the averages even if they don't really mean much.

I'll have to resurrect my judge's averages thread again this year...

I'd like her to go out early, in the hope that the bbc realises that the public do not want young, blonde, semi-talented dancers like Hayley, we want world-class dancers like Nicole.[/quote]

Do you know for certain that the public don't want Hayley and want Nicole instead, wheres the proof I know many people on here have complained to the BBC ( me included) but we are the minority and the majority.

I feel that Nicole should still be there but she had not a guaranteed place there just as the other dancers don't.

At the end of the day it is not Hayleys fault shes there and Nicole isn't.

Just a thought we know Nicole is a lovely person and isn't vindictive at all, do you think she would want people being nasty about Hayley, because I don't think she would she has far more class than that

winnie

Hazel is a former ballroom world champion, one of the few now left in the UK, and this year was third in the Blackpool ballroom world championship.

In SCD the Beeb use world class dancers like props in a comedy show. Toss disparate components together and see if the audience can get a good laugh and feel superior -- still the theme of the Generation Game, still the same host.

I don't think it is personal, certainly not from me, although she has not been portrayed that well in the press. I think it is more to do with her standing in the dance world, and it does appear that a great champion (Nicole) has been replaced by someone with much less talent as a dancer, much less experience and much less success. I know these are not the only criteria (Anton and Erin for example have not won much at all at a high level), but it is bound to be seen as unfair on Nicole. Also, Nicole, like all the other resident pros has represented the UK, so I think many of us wonder why they have gone outside the UK for pro dancers.

Oh yes, I know about Hazel.

The thing is though - For every partnership designed for "a good laugh" etc, there's another that the public rally behind, support and in some ways admire - I don't think it's all as negative as you make it sound. I think it's certainly less destructive and... well... plain mean than the audition segments of shows like The X Factor, even if we do almost have a similar formula (ie start with "entertaining but not brilliant" and move into entertainment because of the quality).

What a vindictive post .

Would you turn down a job offer that would further your career simply because your predecessor was sacked for reasons not made publlicly available?

The juvenile pettiness of these forums makes me fear for the collective IQ of the general public at times, it really does.....

I never said that I thought she should have turned down the job, just that Nicole is a far superior dancer to her. Do I think that the person making the decision to hire Hayley rather than Nicole is culpable? Yes and I have expressed the sentiment to the BBC in an email. Is there any other way for the public to make their opinion on the change known? Yes - voting off Hayley early in the competition. If what the general public want is dancers like Hayley, rather than Nicole, then my opinion is clearly in a minority and Hayley will probably stay in for quite a while.