Blu Ray v dvd

The quizmaster · 02-09-2008, 18:57

Does anybody think blu ray will kill off dvd?

mclarenf1 · 02-09-2008, 19:32

Yes..... Inevitable..... Did DVD kill of Video? Did Colour TV kill of B&W?

minimalistmatt · 02-09-2008, 19:37

..... Did SACD kill off CD's?

probably will happen, but I think DVD's will have a long and healthy life

mclarenf1 · 02-09-2008, 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by minimalistmatt

..... Did SACD kill off CD's?

probably will happen, but I think DVD's will have a long and healthy life

Yeah but SACD had the issue of cost, plus cost of the extra equipment

DVD'd will have along way to go (like videos)

Jarrak · 02-09-2008, 19:41

It's going to be a while before any significant studio does not offer a DVD version of a movie or tv show release, there may be niche content that is only HD (probably is now) but the DVD userbase is bloody huge

lwtincolour · 02-09-2008, 21:06

Bluray will never eliminate dvd entirely - they will co-exist.

There is a huge amount of material (mainly tv shows) that wont gain anything from an HD release.

I would expect the next level of HD to be around long before Bluray gets anywhere near superceding dvd

Orbitalzone · 02-09-2008, 21:24

I suppose it depends on whether they make really cheap Blu ray players that'll inevitably replace DVD players... or maybe the new Toshiba DVD that can upscale DVD's to 'near HD quality' (their words not mine) makes the change less necessary.

My bet is that once the Chinese make blu ray for £30 sold in Tescos then it'll succeed....no doubt blu ray will drop to under £100 in the next 12-15 months and then blu ray recorders will appear making the format much more appealing mainstream.... I'm not convinced it'll have the success of DVD though over VHS.

lwtincolour · 02-09-2008, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orbitalzone

I suppose it depends on whether they make really cheap Blu ray players that'll inevitably replace DVD players... or maybe the new Toshiba DVD that can upscale DVD's to 'near HD quality' (their words not mine) makes the change less necessary.

My bet is that once the Chinese make blu ray for £30 sold in Tescos then it'll succeed....no doubt blu ray will drop to under £100 in the next 12-15 months and then blu ray recorders will appear making the format much more appealing mainstream.... I'm not convinced it'll have the success of DVD though over VHS.

There is a slight possibility that on the hardware front Bluray players could replace DVD players in a few years time but on the software side I dont forsee a time when material is only available on Bluray.

Chris Frost · 02-09-2008, 22:45

None of the industry pundits foresaw the phenomenal success of DVD. They predicted that it would remain a niche format like Laser Disc until DVD recorders were launched, but even then it wouldn't replace VHS which they saw as being too dominant.

Most of you know that things didn't pan out like that. Despite being a 'play only' format at launch DVD became the biggest and most successful new format launch in the history of AV consumer products.

What's this got to do with Bluray you might ask. IMO it proves that it's very difficult to make definitive predictions. There are just too many unknown factors and things that can change.

Will Bluray replace DVD? Probably yes when there's a new format to supersede Bluray, but that seems to be some while off yet. In the medium term it would take something quite dramatic like a sub-£100 Bluray recorder to make an appreciable shift in buying habits. I rather think that DVD and Bluray will coexist. But that could all change...

lwtincolour · 02-09-2008, 23:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Frost

None of the industry pundits foresaw the phenomenal success of DVD. They predicted that it would remain a niche format like Laser Disc until DVD recorders were launched, but even then it wouldn't replace VHS which they saw as being too dominant.

Most of you know that things didn't pan out like that. Despite being a 'play only' format at launch DVD became the biggest and most successful new format launch in the history of AV consumer products.

What's this got to do with Bluray you might ask. IMO it proves that it's very difficult to make definitive predictions. There are just too many unknown factors and things that can change.

Will Bluray replace DVD? Probably yes when there's a new format to supersede Bluray, but that seems to be some while off yet. In the medium term it would take something quite dramatic like a sub-£100 Bluray recorder to make an appreciable shift in buying habits. I rather think that DVD and Bluray will coexist. But that could all change...

I got my first dvd in Feb '98.

I had already ditched VHS for LD some years earlier but the day I connected my dvd player was the last time I ever watched LD.

I thought it was obvious that DVD was a winner.

It offered so much more than VHS.

I was actually surprised VHS lasted as long as it did because it was rubbish from day one but was the best we could get at the time.

But by the 90's I was sick of it so I shelled out for LD.

The worst time was between 1998 and 2002 while we were able to watch superb dvd quality but could not get affordable recorders.

Even when Sky+ came along offering the holy grail of broadcast quality recordings it was another year until recorders reached affordable prices.

Bluray does not offer enough over dvd to wipe it out.

You'd have to be pretty dim not to see the jump from VHS to DVD- but the jump from DVD to BD is somewhat less spectacular- especially with some of the less than brilliant Bluray releases coming out

Chris Frost · 02-09-2008, 23:12

lwtincolour, Yep, I'm like you. To me it was obvious the DVD was the future - well, for picture at least. AC3 LD still has the edge in sound.

I bought an imported player from the US - a Pana A310 - quite a while before the format launched in the UK. In fact, the UK home cinema mags were still debating if DVD was worth launching in the UK!! Shows how much they know

Jarrak · 02-09-2008, 23:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Frost

I bought an imported player from the US - a Pana A310 - quite a while before the format launched in the UK. In fact, the UK home cinema mags were still debating if DVD was worth launching in the UK!! Shows how much they know

Yeah it was a no brainer at the time with the UK still not sure even about support DD5.1 audio which I had access to before DVD with my LD player.

late8 · 03-09-2008, 00:19

if bluray does kill DVD it will take a very very long time. Optical media itself may die beforehand with download content or on demand. DVD did so well because it was a very significant step. Colour killed b&w because it was also a significant step. So far the HD 'revolution' by todays standards has been very slow and expensive and is no way near the step from black & White to colour. Bluray will gain ground but I doubt it will outstrip DVD for a good 3-4 years if that. It offers very little appart from "watch this film a bit sharper" and to most people they don't care much about sound and pic quality- aswel as being expensive.

JimRockford · 03-09-2008, 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee30

Does anybody think blu ray will kill off dvd?

Yep, as soon as the players and films are the same price it will be a no brainer.

Chris Frost · 03-09-2008, 01:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimRockford

Yep, as soon as the players and films are the same price it will be a no brainer.

I'm not sure that they'll ever be the same price.

It's not like two competing formats from different manufacturers, so what is the incentive to drive BR hard- and software prices down to DVD levels? The manufacturers are looking for some way to get value (profit) back in to an optical disc format, not drive it out.

Over By Yer! · 03-09-2008, 06:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclarenf1

Yes..... Inevitable..... Did DVD kill of Video? Did Colour TV kill of B&W?

Did Mini Disc kill off Cassette Tapes?

Nope

simon69c · 03-09-2008, 07:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Frost

I'm not sure that they'll ever be the same price.

It's not like two competing formats from different manufacturers, so what is the incentive to drive BR hard- and software prices down to DVD levels? The manufacturers are looking for some way to get value (profit) back in to an optical disc format, not drive it out.

Prices will go down for exactly the same reason as DVD prices went down - the manufacturers will want to penetrate more of the market and as the costs go down, so will the selling price as they all start trying to undercut each other.

Don't confuse a lack of a competing format for a lack of competition - all the major players are now behind Blu-ray and even the former HD DVD backers will be bringing out Blu-ray hardware in due course and prices will continue to drop. Whether they will drop to DVD prices I'm not sure.

Regardless I don't think Blu-ray will go the way of SACD or Mini-disc, but similarly I'm not sure it will go on to completely dominate DVD as long as there is a significant price differential between the two - simply because for many consumers they'll never get the main benefit from Blu-ray over DVD if they don't have a particularly big screen or decent sound system.

JimRockford · 03-09-2008, 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Frost

I'm not sure that they'll ever be the same price.

It's not like two competing formats from different manufacturers, so what is the incentive to drive BR hard- and software prices down to DVD levels? The manufacturers are looking for some way to get value (profit) back in to an optical disc format, not drive it out.

Well in the shops now, there's only about £3 between a BD chart release and the DVD.

The gap is closing. We've finally got blu-ray players at the £200 mark, and that will continue to fall.

I'd say that within the next 2 years DVDs death warrant will have been issued and within 4 years DVD will be dying.

JimRockford · 03-09-2008, 12:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Over By Yer!

Did Mini Disc kill off Cassette Tapes?

Nope

No because it was very expensive and the price 'never' dropped, until MP3 players arrived and killed it off.

Make no mistake, SD-DUD will be the next format to fall at the alter of Blu-ray.

minimalistmatt · 03-09-2008, 12:25

When will the Daily Mail start giving away Blu Ray movies ?

Chris Frost · 03-09-2008, 13:22

I don't disagree that BR players will continue to fall in price. Also, new release films may only have a small price difference between formats, but older releases are 2- 3 times the price on BR compared to DVD.

Does anyone know what percentage of the player market is made up of sub £50 DVD players? When BR players are £20 more on the shelf at Tesco then we can say the DVD has had its day.

RobAnt · 03-09-2008, 13:40

I am finding that GOOD DVDs, which can benefit from upscaling, are as good as Blu-Ray in terms of picture quality.

A few days ago I hired "The Legend of the Shadowless Sword" (or something like that). On DVD the picture detail was absolutely phenomenal - better than I'd seen on any other DVD. At the same time I rented a Blu-Ray title and it didn't benefit at all from the format.

Because DVD can still provide a good picture (better than SD broadcast), and while there are great titles that can be had for as little as £3 from Tesco's it is going to be a while before HD takes over completely. It will happen one day, but not for a few years yet.

The stories are more important than the picture quality, and the time between appearing as a full price new title and the bargain bins is dropping quickly.

So people might find that an improved playback device is all they need to get better quality pictures. And BBC programmes made in HD also benefit when broadcast on the standard channels too.

So my experience is that SD is much better when the source recording is high quality, high definition.

minimalistmatt · 03-09-2008, 14:03

There is no point in having a 8" Blu Ray portable as the screen wont be hi-def.

Has anyone ever heard of a portable Blu-Ray player? I think DVD will have that space for a long time.

Deacon1972 · 03-09-2008, 14:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by minimalistmatt

There is no point in having a 8" Blu Ray portable as the screen wont be hi-def.

Why won't it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by minimalistmatt

Has anyone ever heard of a portable Blu-Ray player?

A Laptop?

minimalistmatt · 03-09-2008, 14:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deacon1972

Why won't it?

You can, but there isn't much point right now. A lot of screens don't even have the proper resolution for DVD. What would the point of having a blu ray machine that downscales?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deacon1972

A Laptop?

hmm, would you sling a laptop round the headrest of the drivers seat and keep the kids occupied with it in the car?

02-09-2008, 18:57	#1
The quizmaster Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,320	Blu Ray v dvd Does anybody think blu ray will kill off dvd?

02-09-2008, 19:32	#2
mclarenf1 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 3,062	Yes..... Inevitable..... Did DVD kill of Video? Did Colour TV kill of B&W?

02-09-2008, 19:37	#3
minimalistmatt Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NW Posts: 6,593	..... Did SACD kill off CD's? probably will happen, but I think DVD's will have a long and healthy life

02-09-2008, 19:39	#4
mclarenf1 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 3,062	Quote: Originally Posted by minimalistmatt ..... Did SACD kill off CD's? probably will happen, but I think DVD's will have a long and healthy life Yeah but SACD had the issue of cost, plus cost of the extra equipment DVD'd will have along way to go (like videos)

02-09-2008, 19:41	#5
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	It's going to be a while before any significant studio does not offer a DVD version of a movie or tv show release, there may be niche content that is only HD (probably is now) but the DVD userbase is bloody huge

02-09-2008, 21:06	#6
lwtincolour Inactive Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 77	Bluray will never eliminate dvd entirely - they will co-exist. There is a huge amount of material (mainly tv shows) that wont gain anything from an HD release. I would expect the next level of HD to be around long before Bluray gets anywhere near superceding dvd

02-09-2008, 21:24	#7
Orbitalzone Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sussex Posts: 12,173	I suppose it depends on whether they make really cheap Blu ray players that'll inevitably replace DVD players... or maybe the new Toshiba DVD that can upscale DVD's to 'near HD quality' (their words not mine) makes the change less necessary. My bet is that once the Chinese make blu ray for £30 sold in Tescos then it'll succeed....no doubt blu ray will drop to under £100 in the next 12-15 months and then blu ray recorders will appear making the format much more appealing mainstream.... I'm not convinced it'll have the success of DVD though over VHS.

02-09-2008, 21:52	#8
lwtincolour Inactive Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 77	Quote: Originally Posted by Orbitalzone I suppose it depends on whether they make really cheap Blu ray players that'll inevitably replace DVD players... or maybe the new Toshiba DVD that can upscale DVD's to 'near HD quality' (their words not mine) makes the change less necessary. My bet is that once the Chinese make blu ray for £30 sold in Tescos then it'll succeed....no doubt blu ray will drop to under £100 in the next 12-15 months and then blu ray recorders will appear making the format much more appealing mainstream.... I'm not convinced it'll have the success of DVD though over VHS. There is a slight possibility that on the hardware front Bluray players could replace DVD players in a few years time but on the software side I dont forsee a time when material is only available on Bluray.

02-09-2008, 22:45	#9
Chris Frost Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cheshire Posts: 6,462	None of the industry pundits foresaw the phenomenal success of DVD. They predicted that it would remain a niche format like Laser Disc until DVD recorders were launched, but even then it wouldn't replace VHS which they saw as being too dominant. Most of you know that things didn't pan out like that. Despite being a 'play only' format at launch DVD became the biggest and most successful new format launch in the history of AV consumer products. What's this got to do with Bluray you might ask. IMO it proves that it's very difficult to make definitive predictions. There are just too many unknown factors and things that can change. Will Bluray replace DVD? Probably yes when there's a new format to supersede Bluray, but that seems to be some while off yet. In the medium term it would take something quite dramatic like a sub-£100 Bluray recorder to make an appreciable shift in buying habits. I rather think that DVD and Bluray will coexist. But that could all change...

02-09-2008, 23:00	#10
lwtincolour Inactive Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 77	Quote: Originally Posted by Chris Frost None of the industry pundits foresaw the phenomenal success of DVD. They predicted that it would remain a niche format like Laser Disc until DVD recorders were launched, but even then it wouldn't replace VHS which they saw as being too dominant. Most of you know that things didn't pan out like that. Despite being a 'play only' format at launch DVD became the biggest and most successful new format launch in the history of AV consumer products. What's this got to do with Bluray you might ask. IMO it proves that it's very difficult to make definitive predictions. There are just too many unknown factors and things that can change. Will Bluray replace DVD? Probably yes when there's a new format to supersede Bluray, but that seems to be some while off yet. In the medium term it would take something quite dramatic like a sub-£100 Bluray recorder to make an appreciable shift in buying habits. I rather think that DVD and Bluray will coexist. But that could all change... I got my first dvd in Feb '98. I had already ditched VHS for LD some years earlier but the day I connected my dvd player was the last time I ever watched LD. I thought it was obvious that DVD was a winner. It offered so much more than VHS. I was actually surprised VHS lasted as long as it did because it was rubbish from day one but was the best we could get at the time. But by the 90's I was sick of it so I shelled out for LD. The worst time was between 1998 and 2002 while we were able to watch superb dvd quality but could not get affordable recorders. Even when Sky+ came along offering the holy grail of broadcast quality recordings it was another year until recorders reached affordable prices. Bluray does not offer enough over dvd to wipe it out. You'd have to be pretty dim not to see the jump from VHS to DVD- but the jump from DVD to BD is somewhat less spectacular- especially with some of the less than brilliant Bluray releases coming out

02-09-2008, 23:12	#11
Chris Frost Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cheshire Posts: 6,462	lwtincolour, Yep, I'm like you. To me it was obvious the DVD was the future - well, for picture at least. AC3 LD still has the edge in sound. I bought an imported player from the US - a Pana A310 - quite a while before the format launched in the UK. In fact, the UK home cinema mags were still debating if DVD was worth launching in the UK!! Shows how much they know

02-09-2008, 23:23	#12
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	Quote: Originally Posted by Chris Frost I bought an imported player from the US - a Pana A310 - quite a while before the format launched in the UK. In fact, the UK home cinema mags were still debating if DVD was worth launching in the UK!! Shows how much they know Yeah it was a no brainer at the time with the UK still not sure even about support DD5.1 audio which I had access to before DVD with my LD player.

03-09-2008, 00:19	#13
late8 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 7,052	if bluray does kill DVD it will take a very very long time. Optical media itself may die beforehand with download content or on demand. DVD did so well because it was a very significant step. Colour killed b&w because it was also a significant step. So far the HD 'revolution' by todays standards has been very slow and expensive and is no way near the step from black & White to colour. Bluray will gain ground but I doubt it will outstrip DVD for a good 3-4 years if that. It offers very little appart from "watch this film a bit sharper" and to most people they don't care much about sound and pic quality- aswel as being expensive.

03-09-2008, 00:19	#14
JimRockford Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London Posts: 2,989	Quote: Originally Posted by Lee30 Does anybody think blu ray will kill off dvd? Yep, as soon as the players and films are the same price it will be a no brainer.

03-09-2008, 01:18	#15
Chris Frost Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cheshire Posts: 6,462	Quote: Originally Posted by JimRockford Yep, as soon as the players and films are the same price it will be a no brainer. I'm not sure that they'll ever be the same price. It's not like two competing formats from different manufacturers, so what is the incentive to drive BR hard- and software prices down to DVD levels? The manufacturers are looking for some way to get value (profit) back in to an optical disc format, not drive it out.

03-09-2008, 06:57	#16
Over By Yer! Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,123	Quote: Originally Posted by mclarenf1 Yes..... Inevitable..... Did DVD kill of Video? Did Colour TV kill of B&W? Did Mini Disc kill off Cassette Tapes? Nope

03-09-2008, 07:05	#17
simon69c Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,415	Quote: Originally Posted by Chris Frost I'm not sure that they'll ever be the same price. It's not like two competing formats from different manufacturers, so what is the incentive to drive BR hard- and software prices down to DVD levels? The manufacturers are looking for some way to get value (profit) back in to an optical disc format, not drive it out. Prices will go down for exactly the same reason as DVD prices went down - the manufacturers will want to penetrate more of the market and as the costs go down, so will the selling price as they all start trying to undercut each other. Don't confuse a lack of a competing format for a lack of competition - all the major players are now behind Blu-ray and even the former HD DVD backers will be bringing out Blu-ray hardware in due course and prices will continue to drop. Whether they will drop to DVD prices I'm not sure. Regardless I don't think Blu-ray will go the way of SACD or Mini-disc, but similarly I'm not sure it will go on to completely dominate DVD as long as there is a significant price differential between the two - simply because for many consumers they'll never get the main benefit from Blu-ray over DVD if they don't have a particularly big screen or decent sound system.

03-09-2008, 12:03	#18
JimRockford Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London Posts: 2,989	Quote: Originally Posted by Chris Frost I'm not sure that they'll ever be the same price. It's not like two competing formats from different manufacturers, so what is the incentive to drive BR hard- and software prices down to DVD levels? The manufacturers are looking for some way to get value (profit) back in to an optical disc format, not drive it out. Well in the shops now, there's only about £3 between a BD chart release and the DVD. The gap is closing. We've finally got blu-ray players at the £200 mark, and that will continue to fall. I'd say that within the next 2 years DVDs death warrant will have been issued and within 4 years DVD will be dying.

03-09-2008, 12:04	#19
JimRockford Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London Posts: 2,989	Quote: Originally Posted by Over By Yer! Did Mini Disc kill off Cassette Tapes? Nope No because it was very expensive and the price 'never' dropped, until MP3 players arrived and killed it off. Make no mistake, SD-DUD will be the next format to fall at the alter of Blu-ray.

03-09-2008, 12:25	#20
minimalistmatt Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NW Posts: 6,593	When will the Daily Mail start giving away Blu Ray movies ?

03-09-2008, 13:22	#21
Chris Frost Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cheshire Posts: 6,462	I don't disagree that BR players will continue to fall in price. Also, new release films may only have a small price difference between formats, but older releases are 2- 3 times the price on BR compared to DVD. Does anyone know what percentage of the player market is made up of sub £50 DVD players? When BR players are £20 more on the shelf at Tesco then we can say the DVD has had its day.

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03-09-2008, 13:40	#22
RobAnt Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South West Posts: 10,218	I am finding that GOOD DVDs, which can benefit from upscaling, are as good as Blu-Ray in terms of picture quality. A few days ago I hired "The Legend of the Shadowless Sword" (or something like that). On DVD the picture detail was absolutely phenomenal - better than I'd seen on any other DVD. At the same time I rented a Blu-Ray title and it didn't benefit at all from the format. Because DVD can still provide a good picture (better than SD broadcast), and while there are great titles that can be had for as little as £3 from Tesco's it is going to be a while before HD takes over completely. It will happen one day, but not for a few years yet. The stories are more important than the picture quality, and the time between appearing as a full price new title and the bargain bins is dropping quickly. So people might find that an improved playback device is all they need to get better quality pictures. And BBC programmes made in HD also benefit when broadcast on the standard channels too. So my experience is that SD is much better when the source recording is high quality, high definition.

03-09-2008, 14:03	#23
minimalistmatt Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NW Posts: 6,593	There is no point in having a 8" Blu Ray portable as the screen wont be hi-def. Has anyone ever heard of a portable Blu-Ray player? I think DVD will have that space for a long time.

03-09-2008, 14:15	#24
Deacon1972 Guest Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by minimalistmatt There is no point in having a 8" Blu Ray portable as the screen wont be hi-def. Why won't it? Quote: Originally Posted by minimalistmatt Has anyone ever heard of a portable Blu-Ray player? A Laptop?

03-09-2008, 14:21	#25
minimalistmatt Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NW Posts: 6,593	Quote: Originally Posted by Deacon1972 Why won't it? You can, but there isn't much point right now. A lot of screens don't even have the proper resolution for DVD. What would the point of having a blu ray machine that downscales? Quote: Originally Posted by Deacon1972 A Laptop? hmm, would you sling a laptop round the headrest of the drivers seat and keep the kids occupied with it in the car?