1080p retail stitch up

JethroUK · 08-09-2008, 09:45

Just like w-i-d-e-s-c-r-e-e-n stitch up

Just like "digital TV" stitch up

along comes yet another total rip-off by electrical retail industry

AFAIK the only things currently supporting 1080p are bluray, xbox & PS3 (no broadcast material - just like old widescreen rip-off)

If you gathered together all owners of bluray, xbox & ps3 you could prolly squeeze them all in my house - slight exaggeration but it prolly accounts for less than 5% of the population

So why are 99% of TV sets on display in Currys, etc un-supported 1080p?

Answer: (Apart from 5% of people than know what it is and what they want) This is just yet another opportunity for Curry's, etc to do some Big time Miss-selling & unloading of technology to an unsuspecting Joe Public that will never see 1080p source in his life (75% wont even see HD at all) and is corralled into buying technology he doesn't need by sheer weight of numbers

The availability of TV sets (receivers) on sale should be 'somewhat' reflected in it's support - no more than 10% (max) of TV's on display should be 1080p

The fact that this is not happening - is very clear evidence that retailers are 'knowingly' selling people sets that they 'know' their customer doesn't want

It's blatent miss-selling & I just can't wait for the law to catch up with them, just like miss-sold mortgages of the 1980's

Nigel Goodwin · 08-09-2008, 09:57

Sorry - but you're talking complete garbage! - 1080P capability is there if you want it, and is likely to be more important in the future, as BluRay becomes more popular.

Probably the majority of sets in the shops aren't 1080P, so you have plenty of choice.

bobcar · 08-09-2008, 10:21

1080p support costs nothing if the chip sets support it. All new TVs will eventually support 1080p (including those that aren't 1920x1080 resolution), the timing will depend on how long the older 1080i chip sets are cheaper than the newer 1080p ones.

JethroUK · 08-09-2008, 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Sorry - but you're talking complete garbage! .

thanks for the opinion - i'm sure it will be given due consideration

JethroUK · 08-09-2008, 10:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

..Probably the majority of sets in the shops aren't 1080P, so you have plenty of choice.

There's no probably about it - you will not be allowed to buy anything that isn't 1080p by Xmas - that's my whole point

= blatent miss-selling

cockney · 08-09-2008, 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by JethroUK

Just like w-i-d-e-s-c-r-e-e-n stitch up

Just like "digital TV" stitch up

along comes yet another total rip-off by electrical retail industry

AFAIK the only things currently supporting 1080p are bluray, xbox & PS3 (no broadcast material - just like old widescreen rip-off)

If you gathered together all owners of bluray, xbox & ps3 you could prolly squeeze them all in my house - slight exaggeration but it prolly accounts for less than 5% of the population

So why are 99% of TV sets on display in Currys, etc un-supported 1080p?

Answer: (Apart from 5% of people than know what it is and what they want) This is just yet another opportunity for Curry's, etc to do some Big time Miss-selling & unloading of technology to an unsuspecting Joe Public that will never see 1080p source in his life (75% wont even see HD at all) and is corralled into buying technology he doesn't need by sheer weight of numbers

The availability of TV sets (receivers) on sale should be 'somewhat' reflected in it's support - no more than 10% (max) of TV's on display should be 1080p

The fact that this is not happening - is very clear evidence that retailers are 'knowingly' selling people sets that they 'know' their customer doesn't want

It's blatent miss-selling & I just can't wait for the law to catch up with them, just like miss-sold mortgages of the 1980's

Have you just been sacked by Curry's ?

JethroUK · 08-09-2008, 10:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobcar

1080p support costs nothing if the chip sets support it. ...

but 1080p 'support' is not what is being miss-sold

1080p Full Def TV's are being deliberately unloaded onto an unsuspecting public - millions & millions of them

i want to see consumer law pick this up - and have them all refunded

it's definately going to happen - the writing is on the wall

as with mis-sold mortgages - when the law eventually raises it's ugly head - it will put the onus upon the retailer to prove that the customer was well aware, or made aware of the limitation & expectation of the TV they bought

anticipate some new clauses appearing on your receipts when they wake up

there are some indications that retailers are starting to smell this coming and are putting up signage to this effect & asking staff to make customers aware (they are basically now gathering evidence)

but it still leaves the disproportionate amount of 1080p's sets on the shelf, to the amount of support they get (Xbox, blu ray, PS3)

Nigel Goodwin · 08-09-2008, 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by JethroUK

There's no probably about it - you will not be allowed to buy anything that isn't 1080p by Xmas - that's my whole point

= blatent miss-selling

You're still talking complete rubbish - how can you "not be allowed" to buy something freely available in the stores?. Many new models still been released are HD ready only.

As bobcar says, it's likely that 1080P support will become universal over the next few years - but how is it 'mis-selling'?.

MD_Zero · 08-09-2008, 11:46

So If I buy a car with a sunroof but never use it then its misselling?

niall campbell · 08-09-2008, 11:47

and the more that are sold the CHEAPER they become

why dont you refund all the people who bought a DVD player and who should have bought a VCR ??

it does the same , picture quality was terrible, broke down a lot and who were mis-sold as well ???????????

MAW · 08-09-2008, 11:49

Jethro, your point might be that a fair few '1080p' TVs don't support 1080p/24 as output by HD disc players. If so, it's a good one. A 1080p res TV which can only accept 1080i/60, and probably fails to perform a film mode deinterlace on it is inded a mis-sell, pain in the ass etc, and will judder like a good'un with Blu ray. Currys staff probably do not deliberately miss sell these, they simply do not understand. No malice intended. Even a moderate number of independent specialists do not fully realise the implications.

JethroUK · 08-09-2008, 12:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

how can you "not be allowed" to buy something freely available in the stores?...

by the stores not making it freely available

like they did with oblong TV's when 99% of broadcast were still square

they load the shelves with 1080p TV's which 'puposely' gives a totally false reflection of needs, wants and demands

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

. Many new models still been released are HD ready only....

but "many" HD Ready TV's are not be sitting on the shelves right now - and "virtually none" will be sitting on the shelves by Xmas - this is not reflecting customer demand but is only reflecting what the retail industry want to sell

it's obvious (they haven't the wit to disguise it yet) and it's the Crime of the Century

niall campbell · 08-09-2008, 12:18

stick with black and white tellys then

Deacon1972 · 08-09-2008, 12:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by JethroUK

by the stores not making it freely available

like they did with oblong TV's when 99% of broadcast were still square

they load the shelves with 1080p TV's which 'puposely' gives a totally false reflection of needs, wants and demands

but "many" HD Ready TV's are not be sitting on the shelves right now - and "virtually none" will be sitting on the shelves by Xmas - this is not reflecting customer demand but is only reflecting what the retail industry want to sell

it's obvious (they haven't the wit to disguise it yet) and it's the Crime of the Century

I suppose colour was a rip off too as there was very little made in colour when these TV's were available.

It's not as if HD resolution has just been introduced, it's been around for years, 1080 is nothing more than an improvement on what we already have.

Suggest you have a look the next time you are out as your assumtions are way of the mark.

There are plenty of 768 displays to be found, hell, Panasonic still make 1024x720 panels.

MAW · 08-09-2008, 12:26

And BTW, the retail industry does not design the technology, it's foisted on us from on high, along with inappropriate marketing campaigns that give consumers a just little of the wrong info, yet make them think they are experts.

JethroUK · 08-09-2008, 12:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by niall campbell

...why dont you refund all the people who bought a DVD player .

because people who bought a DVD player 'were aware' that DVD's produced a better picture - they were also "aware" that they need to buy DVD's to work in it

in fact there was virtually no scope (no woolly areas) for retailer to mis-sell DVD

does the customer 'know' what he is buying when he buys a DVD player - 95% Yes!

does the customer 'know' what he is buying when he buys a 1080P TV - 99.99999999999% No!

opposed to making any effort to inform the customer they have done completely the opposite - and it's soooooo obvious

.

JethroUK · 08-09-2008, 12:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by niall campbell

stick with black and white tellys then

people are 'aware' of the benefits of colour whether they have a TV or not

= people are also 'aware' which programs are in colour and which are not (how much benefit)

= you would struggle to miss-sell colour TV's

JethroUK · 08-09-2008, 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deacon1972

I suppose colour was a rip off too ....

see here

If you consider what is/not apparent to the customer - you will be able to draw a better analogy

Deacon1972 · 08-09-2008, 12:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by JethroUK

= you would struggle to miss-sell colour TV's

Today you would but not when it was first launched.

You called widescreen a rip off because 99% was still 4x3, surely this would apply to colour when it was first launched as very little was made in colour.

JethroUK · 08-09-2008, 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAW

....the retail industry does not design the technology.....

very valid point - it is for the manufacturers to push boundaries as far as they will - but the retail industry should not be allowed to force new technology upon people that don't want or need it just by shoveling it onto the shelves in disproportionate numbers

hence i say the electrical retail industry s solely responsble for the stitch-up

.

Deacon1972 · 08-09-2008, 12:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by JethroUK

see here

If you consider what is/not apparent to the customer - you will be able to draw a better analogy

Wouldn't be apparent in the same respect not all broadcasts were available in widescreen. Try and keep up with your own argument.

JethroUK · 08-09-2008, 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deacon1972

Quote:

Originally Posted by JethroUK

..

= you would struggle to miss-sell colour TV's

Today you would but not when it was first launched.

you will always struggle to mis-sell colour, whether it's a TV or a goat

if you can't see that - i can't help it

but you need to consider what the recipient 'knows' (is clearly aware of)

.

mossy2103 · 08-09-2008, 12:50

My impression is that Blu-ray has yet to come even close to taking off, and HD gaming is still niche. The vast majority of viewed HD content is via Sky HD channels and freesat HD channels, all of which are NOT 1080p. Indeed, I would suggest that the overwhelming majority of people buying LCD and plasmas are doing so in order to continue to watch predominantly SD material - material for which 1080p screens are seemingly less capable than 1080i screens (generally it seems that SD material on 1080p screens is worse than the same material on 1080i screens).

And 1080p screens are much more expensive than the equivalent 1080i screens. And as far as my experience goes, there are certainly many more 1080i screens on display at the big retailers than 1080p screens.

So the consumer is not being mis-sold at all. Storm in a teacup.

Deacon1972 · 08-09-2008, 13:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by JethroUK

you will always struggle to mis-sell colour, whether it's a TV or a goat

if you can't see that - i can't help it

but you need to consider what the recipient 'knows' (is clearly aware of)

.

Colour TV would have been open to mis selling when it first come onto the market, that's what being debated isn't it, new technology.

When colour hit the stores how many were sold TV's under the illusion that everything they watched would have been in colour.

This is no different to your argument why you think widscreen TV's were mis-sold, they are both broadcast related. At least when someone bought a widescreen TV it was apparent it was different technology due to it's shape, colour TV's hardly looked any different to their B&W counterpart.

JethroUK · 08-09-2008, 13:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by mossy2103

My impression is that Blu-ray has yet to come even close to taking off, and HD gaming is still niche. The vast majority of viewed HD content is via Sky HD channels and freesat HD channels, all of which are NOT 1080p..

Thanks

And yet shelves are positively groaning with 1080p sets soley because Joe Public doesn't know what he's buying and so a very easy target for unscrupulous highway robbers

the law will step in at some point and crack down heavily

.

08-09-2008, 09:45	#1
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	1080p retail stitch up Just like w-i-d-e-s-c-r-e-e-n stitch up Just like "digital TV" stitch up along comes yet another total rip-off by electrical retail industry AFAIK the only things currently supporting 1080p are bluray, xbox & PS3 (no broadcast material - just like old widescreen rip-off) If you gathered together all owners of bluray, xbox & ps3 you could prolly squeeze them all in my house - slight exaggeration but it prolly accounts for less than 5% of the population So why are 99% of TV sets on display in Currys, etc un-supported 1080p? Answer: (Apart from 5% of people than know what it is and what they want) This is just yet another opportunity for Curry's, etc to do some Big time Miss-selling & unloading of technology to an unsuspecting Joe Public that will never see 1080p source in his life (75% wont even see HD at all) and is corralled into buying technology he doesn't need by sheer weight of numbers The availability of TV sets (receivers) on sale should be 'somewhat' reflected in it's support - no more than 10% (max) of TV's on display should be 1080p The fact that this is not happening - is very clear evidence that retailers are 'knowingly' selling people sets that they 'know' their customer doesn't want It's blatent miss-selling & I just can't wait for the law to catch up with them, just like miss-sold mortgages of the 1980's

08-09-2008, 09:57	#2
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Sorry - but you're talking complete garbage! - 1080P capability is there if you want it, and is likely to be more important in the future, as BluRay becomes more popular. Probably the majority of sets in the shops aren't 1080P, so you have plenty of choice.

08-09-2008, 10:21	#3
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	1080p support costs nothing if the chip sets support it. All new TVs will eventually support 1080p (including those that aren't 1920x1080 resolution), the timing will depend on how long the older 1080i chip sets are cheaper than the newer 1080p ones.

08-09-2008, 10:26	#4
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Sorry - but you're talking complete garbage! . thanks for the opinion - i'm sure it will be given due consideration

08-09-2008, 10:29	#5
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin ..Probably the majority of sets in the shops aren't 1080P, so you have plenty of choice. There's no probably about it - you will not be allowed to buy anything that isn't 1080p by Xmas - that's my whole point = blatent miss-selling

08-09-2008, 10:37	#6
cockney Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Leeds Posts: 1,003	Quote: Originally Posted by JethroUK Just like w-i-d-e-s-c-r-e-e-n stitch up Just like "digital TV" stitch up along comes yet another total rip-off by electrical retail industry AFAIK the only things currently supporting 1080p are bluray, xbox & PS3 (no broadcast material - just like old widescreen rip-off) If you gathered together all owners of bluray, xbox & ps3 you could prolly squeeze them all in my house - slight exaggeration but it prolly accounts for less than 5% of the population So why are 99% of TV sets on display in Currys, etc un-supported 1080p? Answer: (Apart from 5% of people than know what it is and what they want) This is just yet another opportunity for Curry's, etc to do some Big time Miss-selling & unloading of technology to an unsuspecting Joe Public that will never see 1080p source in his life (75% wont even see HD at all) and is corralled into buying technology he doesn't need by sheer weight of numbers The availability of TV sets (receivers) on sale should be 'somewhat' reflected in it's support - no more than 10% (max) of TV's on display should be 1080p The fact that this is not happening - is very clear evidence that retailers are 'knowingly' selling people sets that they 'know' their customer doesn't want It's blatent miss-selling & I just can't wait for the law to catch up with them, just like miss-sold mortgages of the 1980's Have you just been sacked by Curry's ?

08-09-2008, 10:47	#7
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by bobcar 1080p support costs nothing if the chip sets support it. ... but 1080p 'support' is not what is being miss-sold 1080p Full Def TV's are being deliberately unloaded onto an unsuspecting public - millions & millions of them i want to see consumer law pick this up - and have them all refunded it's definately going to happen - the writing is on the wall as with mis-sold mortgages - when the law eventually raises it's ugly head - it will put the onus upon the retailer to prove that the customer was well aware, or made aware of the limitation & expectation of the TV they bought anticipate some new clauses appearing on your receipts when they wake up there are some indications that retailers are starting to smell this coming and are putting up signage to this effect & asking staff to make customers aware (they are basically now gathering evidence) but it still leaves the disproportionate amount of 1080p's sets on the shelf, to the amount of support they get (Xbox, blu ray, PS3)

08-09-2008, 11:34	#8
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by JethroUK There's no probably about it - you will not be allowed to buy anything that isn't 1080p by Xmas - that's my whole point = blatent miss-selling You're still talking complete rubbish - how can you "not be allowed" to buy something freely available in the stores?. Many new models still been released are HD ready only. As bobcar says, it's likely that 1080P support will become universal over the next few years - but how is it 'mis-selling'?.

08-09-2008, 11:46	#9
MD_Zero Inactive Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: London Posts: 2,163	So If I buy a car with a sunroof but never use it then its misselling?

08-09-2008, 11:47	#10
niall campbell Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Aberfeldy Posts: 7,035	and the more that are sold the CHEAPER they become why dont you refund all the people who bought a DVD player and who should have bought a VCR ?? it does the same , picture quality was terrible, broke down a lot and who were mis-sold as well ???????????

08-09-2008, 11:49	#11
MAW Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 28,577	Jethro, your point might be that a fair few '1080p' TVs don't support 1080p/24 as output by HD disc players. If so, it's a good one. A 1080p res TV which can only accept 1080i/60, and probably fails to perform a film mode deinterlace on it is inded a mis-sell, pain in the ass etc, and will judder like a good'un with Blu ray. Currys staff probably do not deliberately miss sell these, they simply do not understand. No malice intended. Even a moderate number of independent specialists do not fully realise the implications.

08-09-2008, 12:13	#12
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin how can you "not be allowed" to buy something freely available in the stores?... by the stores not making it freely available like they did with oblong TV's when 99% of broadcast were still square they load the shelves with 1080p TV's which 'puposely' gives a totally false reflection of needs, wants and demands Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin . Many new models still been released are HD ready only.... but "many" HD Ready TV's are not be sitting on the shelves right now - and "virtually none" will be sitting on the shelves by Xmas - this is not reflecting customer demand but is only reflecting what the retail industry want to sell it's obvious (they haven't the wit to disguise it yet) and it's the Crime of the Century

08-09-2008, 12:18	#13
niall campbell Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Aberfeldy Posts: 7,035	stick with black and white tellys then

08-09-2008, 12:25	#14
Deacon1972 Guest Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by JethroUK by the stores not making it freely available like they did with oblong TV's when 99% of broadcast were still square they load the shelves with 1080p TV's which 'puposely' gives a totally false reflection of needs, wants and demands but "many" HD Ready TV's are not be sitting on the shelves right now - and "virtually none" will be sitting on the shelves by Xmas - this is not reflecting customer demand but is only reflecting what the retail industry want to sell it's obvious (they haven't the wit to disguise it yet) and it's the Crime of the Century I suppose colour was a rip off too as there was very little made in colour when these TV's were available. It's not as if HD resolution has just been introduced, it's been around for years, 1080 is nothing more than an improvement on what we already have. Suggest you have a look the next time you are out as your assumtions are way of the mark. There are plenty of 768 displays to be found, hell, Panasonic still make 1024x720 panels.

08-09-2008, 12:26	#15
MAW Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 28,577	And BTW, the retail industry does not design the technology, it's foisted on us from on high, along with inappropriate marketing campaigns that give consumers a just little of the wrong info, yet make them think they are experts.

08-09-2008, 12:28	#16
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by niall campbell ...why dont you refund all the people who bought a DVD player . because people who bought a DVD player 'were aware' that DVD's produced a better picture - they were also "aware" that they need to buy DVD's to work in it in fact there was virtually no scope (no woolly areas) for retailer to mis-sell DVD does the customer 'know' what he is buying when he buys a DVD player - 95% Yes! does the customer 'know' what he is buying when he buys a 1080P TV - 99.99999999999% No! opposed to making any effort to inform the customer they have done completely the opposite - and it's soooooo obvious .

08-09-2008, 12:34	#17
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by niall campbell stick with black and white tellys then people are 'aware' of the benefits of colour whether they have a TV or not = people are also 'aware' which programs are in colour and which are not (how much benefit) = you would struggle to miss-sell colour TV's

08-09-2008, 12:38	#18
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by Deacon1972 I suppose colour was a rip off too .... see here If you consider what is/not apparent to the customer - you will be able to draw a better analogy

08-09-2008, 12:41	#19
Deacon1972 Guest Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by JethroUK = you would struggle to miss-sell colour TV's Today you would but not when it was first launched. You called widescreen a rip off because 99% was still 4x3, surely this would apply to colour when it was first launched as very little was made in colour.

08-09-2008, 12:44	#20
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by MAW ....the retail industry does not design the technology..... very valid point - it is for the manufacturers to push boundaries as far as they will - but the retail industry should not be allowed to force new technology upon people that don't want or need it just by shoveling it onto the shelves in disproportionate numbers hence i say the electrical retail industry s solely responsble for the stitch-up .

08-09-2008, 12:46	#21
Deacon1972 Guest Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by JethroUK see here If you consider what is/not apparent to the customer - you will be able to draw a better analogy Wouldn't be apparent in the same respect not all broadcasts were available in widescreen. Try and keep up with your own argument.

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08-09-2008, 12:48	#22
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by Deacon1972 Quote: Originally Posted by JethroUK .. = you would struggle to miss-sell colour TV's Today you would but not when it was first launched. you will always struggle to mis-sell colour, whether it's a TV or a goat if you can't see that - i can't help it but you need to consider what the recipient 'knows' (is clearly aware of) .

08-09-2008, 12:50	#23
mossy2103 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 68,710	My impression is that Blu-ray has yet to come even close to taking off, and HD gaming is still niche. The vast majority of viewed HD content is via Sky HD channels and freesat HD channels, all of which are NOT 1080p. Indeed, I would suggest that the overwhelming majority of people buying LCD and plasmas are doing so in order to continue to watch predominantly SD material - material for which 1080p screens are seemingly less capable than 1080i screens (generally it seems that SD material on 1080p screens is worse than the same material on 1080i screens). And 1080p screens are much more expensive than the equivalent 1080i screens. And as far as my experience goes, there are certainly many more 1080i screens on display at the big retailers than 1080p screens. So the consumer is not being mis-sold at all. Storm in a teacup.

08-09-2008, 13:05	#24
Deacon1972 Guest Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by JethroUK you will always struggle to mis-sell colour, whether it's a TV or a goat if you can't see that - i can't help it but you need to consider what the recipient 'knows' (is clearly aware of) . Colour TV would have been open to mis selling when it first come onto the market, that's what being debated isn't it, new technology. When colour hit the stores how many were sold TV's under the illusion that everything they watched would have been in colour. This is no different to your argument why you think widscreen TV's were mis-sold, they are both broadcast related. At least when someone bought a widescreen TV it was apparent it was different technology due to it's shape, colour TV's hardly looked any different to their B&W counterpart.

08-09-2008, 13:16	#25
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by mossy2103 My impression is that Blu-ray has yet to come even close to taking off, and HD gaming is still niche. The vast majority of viewed HD content is via Sky HD channels and freesat HD channels, all of which are NOT 1080p.. Thanks And yet shelves are positively groaning with 1080p sets soley because Joe Public doesn't know what he's buying and so a very easy target for unscrupulous highway robbers the law will step in at some point and crack down heavily .