1080p retail stitch up

zestfulmass · 13-09-2008, 14:32

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it's never a good idea to 'future proof'

you'll always be able to buy in the future - cheaper!

you'll learn - the hard way

'eventually' being after replacing your current TV 3 - 4 times - by which time they will be stitching you up 10,800 p TV's

it's just so transparent

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Maybe your trying to preach the hard way.
Do you use a tin opener or a knife. do you drive to work or horse and cart, do you wash in a bucket or in the shower?

It's the way technology moves, If someones produced a top flight piece of equipment, why the hell would they try and sell something inferior??

it's life mate. thats the way its always been. companies invest in technology and then sell it the best and quickest way possible to get some money on their investment back.

You'd be an exellent chairman at currys and the like, I can see it now. "take all those flat screens off the shelves, sell crt ones till 2020!!!!!"
The public donesn't need that yet.

Belgarion · 13-09-2008, 16:05

I just had to poke my head into this thread, as it's gotta be the most entertaining thing I've read all week :P

Jethro, the amount of bullshine you're spouting suggests to me you are either:

a) a troll
b) someone who bought a TV from Currys, was told one thing and found it wasn't exactly what they we told.

This is the most basic point. Technology has and will always improve, and they only way that this can happen is to have retaillers SELLING these items.

There is NO POINT in producing new tech and not making it available to the public - manufacturers will not make it and thus technology will come to a standstill.

Sure, there are plenty of salespeople out there who simply do not have a clue. There are those who work for certain companies who are told to sell out a specific model of TV, even if it means putting down other models.

Then there are people like me, who specialise in Sony equipment, who KNOW what they're talking about, and DON'T offload expensive crap to the unsuspecting public.

Then there is this issue revolving around 1080p.

I really don't understand the problem. For example. Sony DO NOT MAKE 1080i 40" sets. At all. Na-da.

The last one I believe was the KDL-40D3000 - great 100Hz set, but was only 1080i (1366x768) - enough for SKYHD but not enough to show Blu-Ray at it's highest level.

This set, incidentally, sold loads, mainly due to the price (£899 I believe I sold it for) - and the fact it did have a 100Hz update (which is NOT the same as the old tube sets before someone makes a comparison...)

Then Sony made the decision to stick with only 1080p screens. Today, the prices of those new screens are the same as that 40D I mentioned earlier.

And the reason they stuck to 1080p? Customer demand. Simple as. There is NOT OTHER REASON.

Why would a manufacturer make a set, that market research and forecasts have predicted would NOT SELL??

And you're spouting about the cost of the TV's? Well tough tittie - you don't get everything for nothing - why SHOULD Sony, et al, make sets dirt cheap, just to allow you to buy them?

Prices are set by the current economy - which in turn is heavily based upon customer demand. Go to eBay, and check prices on various items - you'll find that they are all roughly the same. eBay is a great way of judging the current value of things, as they are set by people. (not including the rip-off online stores - that's a whole different story)

SkyHD is quite expensive. Yet people are still subscribing to it. Why? Because they want it - and they will pay the money to get it. I might not personally agree with their pricing strategy, but that's just the way it is. If it was too expensive, not enough people would buy it, thus the cost would be reduced.

That's just how it is in retail and sales. If you say you've worked for 20 years in it, you should already know all of this.

And regardless how YOU personally feel about it, 1080p is here, it IS used but many devices and it isn't going away. My shop doesn't have 1080i 40"'s hiding away in the storeroom - because they don't exist. We have 32" TV's - both i AND p both on the shop floor. The p does indeed cost more - why why the HELL shouldn't it?? It's a better TV - it has more lines, therefore can show more detail while a 1080p source is being used.

It isn't exactly rocket science is it?

I think you're one of those people who don't really like change. I can imagine you were saying stuff like this when the digital changeover was announced - spouting stuff like 'Analogue TV is fine as it is, I don't see why it should change so if it does, it's just a rip off to sell more On Digital boxes'

Or wtte....

For the rest of us, who can read and understand the concept of evolving technology, we will continue to buy 1080p TV's, blu-ray players, PS3's etc, because we KNOW that the future has to happen for it to become the present. And holding it back just to suit your perceived idea of perfection is the sign of someone with a grudge against new technology. Or new ideas.

bobcar · 13-09-2008, 16:50

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Originally Posted by Belgarion

We have 32" TV's - both i AND p both on the shop floor. The p does indeed cost more - why why the HELL shouldn't it?? It's a better TV - it has more lines, therefore can show more detail while a 1080p source is being used.

It isn't exactly rocket science is it?

Just because it has more lines doesn't mean its a better TV - it may be or it may not be. Unless you sit close enough to it the 1080 lines make no difference other than pissing away your money.

There are many factors affecting TV performance and there are many 1366x768 TVs out there that kick the pants off of many 1920x1080 TVs. People who don't understand automatically go for higher resolution because it's simple to understand whereas other factors are much more difficult - you have to consider all the factors one of which is resolution. In most cases video processing is far more important than resolution.

JethroUK · 13-09-2008, 17:06

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Originally Posted by JethroUK

..you'll learn - the hard way.

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Originally Posted by zestfulmass

Maybe your trying to preach the hard way.

no you are - as i've just pointed out to you

buying into the future never has worked - never will

you can either learn 'the hard way' or benefit from my advice

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JethroUK · 13-09-2008, 17:31

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Originally Posted by Belgarion

...This is the most basic point. Technology has and will always improve....

Are you listening people?

It's one thing to make new technology available (maybe you should start a new thread) and quite another to miss-sell it to an unsuspecting, uniformed public (the actual topic) that neither asks for it/wants it or needs it

If you can't differentiate those two subjects I can't help it

You can disregard lying salesmen because they "do not have a clue" - but you need to understand that Sales people are not at liberty to lie about a product whether it be intentional or ignorance - it's against the law in either case and is grounds for a refund

Your problem is you are talking from a position of a person who is informed 'about TV's' - (you think Joe Public is stupid and deserves all thats coming - right!)

Had you been miss-sold a mortgage (through lack of knowledge in the subject) your point of view would be so much different and of course it would be everybody elses fault

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skinj · 13-09-2008, 17:41

The mortgage analogy does not work.
If the mortgage worked like these new sets do, the consumer would in fact be able to pay off the mortgage early and make money as suddenly they find out the morgage does more than they (at the time of purchase) wanted!

niall campbell · 13-09-2008, 20:32

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Originally Posted by JethroUK

Are you listening people?

It's one thing to make new technology available (maybe you should start a new thread) and quite another to miss-sell it to an unsuspecting, uniformed public (the actual topic) that neither asks for it/wants it or needs it

If you can't differentiate those two subjects I can't help it

You can disregard lying salesmen because they "do not have a clue" - but you need to understand that Sales people are not at liberty to lie about a product whether it be intentional or ignorance - it's against the law in either case and is grounds for a refund

Your problem is you are talking from a position of a person who is informed 'about TV's' - (you think Joe Public is stupid and deserves all thats coming - right!)

Had you been miss-sold a mortgage (through lack of knowledge in the subject) your point of view would be so much different and of course it would be everybody elses fault

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so what about computers then?

PC World selling dual layer DVD burner malarkies, 5GB of memory, 3 million GB hard drive , 4D graphic cards, 52 "monitor with 0.00001 ms response may be excessive and an overkill, BUT how many people actually use all the features of their computers ??

zestfulmass · 13-09-2008, 20:33

If you bought something you were not sure about then it's up to you to find out about it first.
They aren't going to tell you something totally obscured fromt he truth like, this tv sir will gold plate all your posessions while you sleep, or this tv sir will take you dogs for a walk every morning.
They are telling you the truth. Your advice is amazing JETHRO, everyone in here has slated you badly, even the guy running a sony centre with 20+ years experience.
Sorry but your wrong. The future is gonna happen and some mixed up guy with hatred towards shops isn't gonna stop it.
I've got a 14" black and white tv in the loft. shows 1-5 and has no scart, that ain't mis selling, £50!!

If somethings better then hey, we can afford it then get it.
Does the queen need a 200 bedroom palace to live in, no she does coz she can.
do I need flats screens in most rooms in the house, No but I can

GaryB · 13-09-2008, 20:49

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Originally Posted by Belgarion

Jethro, the amount of bullshine you're spouting suggests to me you are either:

a) a troll

That's the only logical conclusion. His logic and arguments certainly aren't logical!

JethroUK · 13-09-2008, 21:11

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Originally Posted by niall campbell

so what about computers then?..

computers (specification) is supplied upon demand

e.g. Joe 'knows' 500 gig h/drive holds twice 250 gig - and it is reflected in the price

PC World don't put 5 terrabyte drives in all machines - hyke up the price accordingly - and 'hope' Joe will buy them

= whilstever Joe 'wants' 250 gig - PC World will supply it

be more pacific · 13-09-2008, 21:12

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Originally Posted by JethroUK

100% of TV's available by Xmas will be 1080p

and what proportion of broadcasts will be 1080p? 0%

Utter rubbish, but I'll indulge you for a moment.

Virtually 100% of new TVs are NTSC compatible.

And what proportion of UK broadcasts will ever be NTSC? 0%

That's right, you're paying for NTSC support that you may never use if you don't import American/Canadian/Asian DVDs. Do you think that's a "stitch up" too?

Getting back OT, 1080p is rapidly becoming the standard for upscaling DVD players.

Even if Blu-ray never takes off. Even if TV is never broadcast in the format, 1080p will still become the standard for watching DVDs in their best quality.

GaryB · 13-09-2008, 21:18

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Originally Posted by JethroUK

computers (specification) is supplied upon demand

So is 1080p.

You walk into a shop. You see some TVs on display.

Some are 1080p compatible and some aren't.

If you want a 1080p set you buy one.

If you don't want a 1080p set, you buy something else.

Please explain what's wrong with that?

BTW - As I mentioned earlier, your suggestion that there will only be 1080p set in the shops by Xmas is complete rubbish (unless my employer is lying to me or plans to throw several million quids worth of stock away).

zestfulmass · 14-09-2008, 08:47

I think the O is a bit of a silly weirdo.
Going back to your OP when you mentioned Mortgage selling of the 80's
That was illegal and that is why the government stepped in.
If I make it simple so your brain understands, imagine I have a jug. I rub all the measuring numbers off the side and say it's capacity is 20% greater than actually is. This is illegal. but in fairness you wouldn't buy it because whats the point in buying a measuring jug with no increments on the side. This is your own knowledge saving yourself from a con artist.
The same with Curry's the illlegal nasty shop as you'd refer to it.
They don't tell you anything about the product that is a lie, they just big up the quality of it because it is better, no matter how you put it. If the profit margin of the 1080p tv is better than any other, then why not increase their profits, I mean for god sake who's ever heard of a national chain trying to make money. cheeky monkeys!!!!! They should sell them for trade god damn it!!!

Jethro your fighting a losing battle here. stick to your twist and tune black and white tv matey!!

Orbitalzone · 14-09-2008, 10:57

Blimey is this pointless thread still running?

Jethro might well say he's had 20 years in the trade but so have many others on these forums..... while everyone is entitled to an opionion it doesn't actually make it a fact.

You can have the same arguements about Sky, VHS, colour TV, BSB DMac, HD DVD and almost every other 'new' technology that has appeared.

Surely people who 'got suckered' into buying HD DVD should be more entitled to a refund than someone who has bought a working and still supported 1080p TV?

Exactly, it's a pointless discussion.

be more pacific · 14-09-2008, 13:19

I tried to buy one of these newfangled 1080p TVs in Currys. When I got to the till, they tried to pull a fast one and charge me 89900p!

It's the swizz of the century!

jibberjabber2b · 14-09-2008, 13:42

I have to say this thread is extremely entertaining and for that reason it is definitely in the correct place, the "Home Entertainment" section.

Orbitalzone · 14-09-2008, 17:37

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Originally Posted by jibberjabber2b

I have to say this thread is extremely entertaining and for that reason it is definitely in the correct place, the "Home Entertainment" section.

oh how right you are!

callum9999 · 14-09-2008, 18:21

Currys still sell 4:3 non-HD CRT's so I don't see what you are basing the "only 1080p available by christmas" on. Even if that does happen (one in a billion chance) there are other shops (who also still sell CRTs).

JethroUK · 14-09-2008, 20:10

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Originally Posted by callum9999

. I don't see what you are basing the "only 1080p available by christmas" on...

on the basis that:

A/ 99% of sets on display as of Xmas will be 1080p sets (anything else will be strictly 'under the counter only')

B/ people wanting/needing 1080p sets (those with 'a' source) will be around 1/100th of one percent of the populous (1 in every 10,000 ish)

= the other 9,999 will be 'cadjolled' into buying a TV they neither want nor will 'ever' need

= gross miss-selling

JethroUK · 14-09-2008, 20:16

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Originally Posted by Orbitalzone

..Jethro might well say he's had 20 years in the trade .

20 years in 'Sales'

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Originally Posted by Orbitalzone

...while everyone is entitled to an opionion it doesn't actually make it a fact...

where did i say my credentials = my opinion = facts?

my credentials = my credibility

facts = 1080p sets are being outragiously over-sold

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JethroUK · 14-09-2008, 20:24

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Originally Posted by zestfulmass

..Going back to your OP when you mentioned Mortgage selling of the 80's - That was illegal and that is why the government stepped in....

Selling mortgages is not illegal - doh!

'Miss-Selling' them (as per 1080p sets) is immoral

legality has/will always shadow morality

= The Electrical Retail Industry are heading for a crash

and i can't wait

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be more pacific · 14-09-2008, 20:28

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Originally Posted by JethroUK

on the basis that:

A/ 99% of sets on display as of Xmas will be 1080p sets (anything else will be strictly 'under the counter only')

I trust you can provide a source for that information?

Quote:

Originally Posted by JethroUK

B/ people wanting/needing 1080p sets (those with 'a' source) will be around 1/100th of one percent of the populous (1 in every 10,000 ish)

= the other 9,999 will be 'cadjolled' into buying a TV they neither want nor will 'ever' need

= gross miss-selling

Source? On what basis can you claim that only 1 in 10,000 people has access to a PS3, Blu-ray player, X-Box 360, upscaling DVD player, compatible Media Center PC or gaming PC?

zestfulmass · 14-09-2008, 20:42

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Originally Posted by JethroUK

20 years in 'Sales'

where did i say my credentials = my opinion = facts?

my credentials = my credibility

facts = 1080p sets are being outragiously over-sold

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nobody said you had 20 years experience!!!
yet again you jumped forward without reading the full post.
mortgages were your original post analogy. the way mortgages were sold in the late 70's 80's were illegal. the way TV's are sold now isn't. your a stupid little boy and have no knowledge about anything.
1080p ISN'T BEING SOLD OUTRAGIOUSLY!!!!!

JethroUK · 14-09-2008, 22:31

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Originally Posted by be more pacific

...On what basis can you claim that only 1 in 10,000 people has access to a PS3, ..

i'll let you hazzard a guestimation

i'll also guarantee that Currys are currently displaying 100 times that ratio (whatever you find) in 1080p sets

russellelly · 14-09-2008, 22:38

You don't seem to be getting the idea of progress or "future-proofing" - what people have in equipment now doesn't necessarily dictate what they want their TV to support. I've just ordered a TV with 3 HDMI sockets, despite having no equipment which outputs HDMI. Why? Because I hope the TV will by far outlive my current sources which are years old.

I walk into a shop and want a camera with a high quality lens, but only 1.3MegaPixels (I'm only printing 6x4", it's all I need) - there won't be one on the shelves. This is no different. If there is a massive gap for non-1080P sets (which are still available - I just ordered a Panasonic plasma, resolution 1024x768 I think) then someone will fill the gap. Supply and demand!

13-09-2008, 14:32	#101
zestfulmass Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cheshire Posts: 805	Quote: Originally Posted by JethroUK it's never a good idea to 'future proof' you'll always be able to buy in the future - cheaper! you'll learn - the hard way 'eventually' being after replacing your current TV 3 - 4 times - by which time they will be stitching you up 10,800 p TV's it's just so transparent . Maybe your trying to preach the hard way. Do you use a tin opener or a knife. do you drive to work or horse and cart, do you wash in a bucket or in the shower? It's the way technology moves, If someones produced a top flight piece of equipment, why the hell would they try and sell something inferior?? it's life mate. thats the way its always been. companies invest in technology and then sell it the best and quickest way possible to get some money on their investment back. You'd be an exellent chairman at currys and the like, I can see it now. "take all those flat screens off the shelves, sell crt ones till 2020!!!!!" The public donesn't need that yet.

13-09-2008, 16:05	#102
Belgarion Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 261	I just had to poke my head into this thread, as it's gotta be the most entertaining thing I've read all week :P Jethro, the amount of bullshine you're spouting suggests to me you are either: a) a troll b) someone who bought a TV from Currys, was told one thing and found it wasn't exactly what they we told. This is the most basic point. Technology has and will always improve, and they only way that this can happen is to have retaillers SELLING these items. There is NO POINT in producing new tech and not making it available to the public - manufacturers will not make it and thus technology will come to a standstill. Sure, there are plenty of salespeople out there who simply do not have a clue. There are those who work for certain companies who are told to sell out a specific model of TV, even if it means putting down other models. Then there are people like me, who specialise in Sony equipment, who KNOW what they're talking about, and DON'T offload expensive crap to the unsuspecting public. Then there is this issue revolving around 1080p. I really don't understand the problem. For example. Sony DO NOT MAKE 1080i 40" sets. At all. Na-da. The last one I believe was the KDL-40D3000 - great 100Hz set, but was only 1080i (1366x768) - enough for SKYHD but not enough to show Blu-Ray at it's highest level. This set, incidentally, sold loads, mainly due to the price (£899 I believe I sold it for) - and the fact it did have a 100Hz update (which is NOT the same as the old tube sets before someone makes a comparison...) Then Sony made the decision to stick with only 1080p screens. Today, the prices of those new screens are the same as that 40D I mentioned earlier. And the reason they stuck to 1080p? Customer demand. Simple as. There is NOT OTHER REASON. Why would a manufacturer make a set, that market research and forecasts have predicted would NOT SELL?? And you're spouting about the cost of the TV's? Well tough tittie - you don't get everything for nothing - why SHOULD Sony, et al, make sets dirt cheap, just to allow you to buy them? Prices are set by the current economy - which in turn is heavily based upon customer demand. Go to eBay, and check prices on various items - you'll find that they are all roughly the same. eBay is a great way of judging the current value of things, as they are set by people. (not including the rip-off online stores - that's a whole different story) SkyHD is quite expensive. Yet people are still subscribing to it. Why? Because they want it - and they will pay the money to get it. I might not personally agree with their pricing strategy, but that's just the way it is. If it was too expensive, not enough people would buy it, thus the cost would be reduced. That's just how it is in retail and sales. If you say you've worked for 20 years in it, you should already know all of this. And regardless how YOU personally feel about it, 1080p is here, it IS used but many devices and it isn't going away. My shop doesn't have 1080i 40"'s hiding away in the storeroom - because they don't exist. We have 32" TV's - both i AND p both on the shop floor. The p does indeed cost more - why why the HELL shouldn't it?? It's a better TV - it has more lines, therefore can show more detail while a 1080p source is being used. It isn't exactly rocket science is it? I think you're one of those people who don't really like change. I can imagine you were saying stuff like this when the digital changeover was announced - spouting stuff like 'Analogue TV is fine as it is, I don't see why it should change so if it does, it's just a rip off to sell more On Digital boxes' Or wtte.... For the rest of us, who can read and understand the concept of evolving technology, we will continue to buy 1080p TV's, blu-ray players, PS3's etc, because we KNOW that the future has to happen for it to become the present. And holding it back just to suit your perceived idea of perfection is the sign of someone with a grudge against new technology. Or new ideas.

13-09-2008, 16:50	#103
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by Belgarion We have 32" TV's - both i AND p both on the shop floor. The p does indeed cost more - why why the HELL shouldn't it?? It's a better TV - it has more lines, therefore can show more detail while a 1080p source is being used. It isn't exactly rocket science is it? Just because it has more lines doesn't mean its a better TV - it may be or it may not be. Unless you sit close enough to it the 1080 lines make no difference other than pissing away your money. There are many factors affecting TV performance and there are many 1366x768 TVs out there that kick the pants off of many 1920x1080 TVs. People who don't understand automatically go for higher resolution because it's simple to understand whereas other factors are much more difficult - you have to consider all the factors one of which is resolution. In most cases video processing is far more important than resolution.

13-09-2008, 17:06	#104
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by JethroUK ..you'll learn - the hard way. Quote: Originally Posted by zestfulmass Maybe your trying to preach the hard way. no you are - as i've just pointed out to you buying into the future never has worked - never will you can either learn 'the hard way' or benefit from my advice .

13-09-2008, 17:31	#105
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by Belgarion ...This is the most basic point. Technology has and will always improve.... Are you listening people? It's one thing to make new technology available (maybe you should start a new thread) and quite another to miss-sell it to an unsuspecting, uniformed public (the actual topic) that neither asks for it/wants it or needs it If you can't differentiate those two subjects I can't help it You can disregard lying salesmen because they "do not have a clue" - but you need to understand that Sales people are not at liberty to lie about a product whether it be intentional or ignorance - it's against the law in either case and is grounds for a refund Your problem is you are talking from a position of a person who is informed 'about TV's' - (you think Joe Public is stupid and deserves all thats coming - right!) Had you been miss-sold a mortgage (through lack of knowledge in the subject) your point of view would be so much different and of course it would be everybody elses fault .

13-09-2008, 17:41	#106
skinj Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,206	The mortgage analogy does not work. If the mortgage worked like these new sets do, the consumer would in fact be able to pay off the mortgage early and make money as suddenly they find out the morgage does more than they (at the time of purchase) wanted!

13-09-2008, 20:32	#107
niall campbell Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Aberfeldy Posts: 7,035	Quote: Originally Posted by JethroUK Are you listening people? It's one thing to make new technology available (maybe you should start a new thread) and quite another to miss-sell it to an unsuspecting, uniformed public (the actual topic) that neither asks for it/wants it or needs it If you can't differentiate those two subjects I can't help it You can disregard lying salesmen because they "do not have a clue" - but you need to understand that Sales people are not at liberty to lie about a product whether it be intentional or ignorance - it's against the law in either case and is grounds for a refund Your problem is you are talking from a position of a person who is informed 'about TV's' - (you think Joe Public is stupid and deserves all thats coming - right!) Had you been miss-sold a mortgage (through lack of knowledge in the subject) your point of view would be so much different and of course it would be everybody elses fault . so what about computers then? PC World selling dual layer DVD burner malarkies, 5GB of memory, 3 million GB hard drive , 4D graphic cards, 52 "monitor with 0.00001 ms response may be excessive and an overkill, BUT how many people actually use all the features of their computers ??

13-09-2008, 20:33	#108
zestfulmass Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cheshire Posts: 805	If you bought something you were not sure about then it's up to you to find out about it first. They aren't going to tell you something totally obscured fromt he truth like, this tv sir will gold plate all your posessions while you sleep, or this tv sir will take you dogs for a walk every morning. They are telling you the truth. Your advice is amazing JETHRO, everyone in here has slated you badly, even the guy running a sony centre with 20+ years experience. Sorry but your wrong. The future is gonna happen and some mixed up guy with hatred towards shops isn't gonna stop it. I've got a 14" black and white tv in the loft. shows 1-5 and has no scart, that ain't mis selling, £50!! If somethings better then hey, we can afford it then get it. Does the queen need a 200 bedroom palace to live in, no she does coz she can. do I need flats screens in most rooms in the house, No but I can

13-09-2008, 20:49	#109
GaryB Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Albans Posts: 4,088	Quote: Originally Posted by Belgarion Jethro, the amount of bullshine you're spouting suggests to me you are either: a) a troll That's the only logical conclusion. His logic and arguments certainly aren't logical!

13-09-2008, 21:11	#110
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by niall campbell so what about computers then?.. computers (specification) is supplied upon demand e.g. Joe 'knows' 500 gig h/drive holds twice 250 gig - and it is reflected in the price PC World don't put 5 terrabyte drives in all machines - hyke up the price accordingly - and 'hope' Joe will buy them = whilstever Joe 'wants' 250 gig - PC World will supply it

13-09-2008, 21:12	#111
be more pacific Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 16,034	Quote: Originally Posted by JethroUK 100% of TV's available by Xmas will be 1080p and what proportion of broadcasts will be 1080p? 0% Utter rubbish, but I'll indulge you for a moment. Virtually 100% of new TVs are NTSC compatible. And what proportion of UK broadcasts will ever be NTSC? 0% That's right, you're paying for NTSC support that you may never use if you don't import American/Canadian/Asian DVDs. Do you think that's a "stitch up" too? Getting back OT, 1080p is rapidly becoming the standard for upscaling DVD players. Even if Blu-ray never takes off. Even if TV is never broadcast in the format, 1080p will still become the standard for watching DVDs in their best quality.

13-09-2008, 21:18	#112
GaryB Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Albans Posts: 4,088	Quote: Originally Posted by JethroUK computers (specification) is supplied upon demand So is 1080p. You walk into a shop. You see some TVs on display. Some are 1080p compatible and some aren't. If you want a 1080p set you buy one. If you don't want a 1080p set, you buy something else. Please explain what's wrong with that? BTW - As I mentioned earlier, your suggestion that there will only be 1080p set in the shops by Xmas is complete rubbish (unless my employer is lying to me or plans to throw several million quids worth of stock away).

14-09-2008, 08:47	#113
zestfulmass Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cheshire Posts: 805	I think the O is a bit of a silly weirdo. Going back to your OP when you mentioned Mortgage selling of the 80's That was illegal and that is why the government stepped in. If I make it simple so your brain understands, imagine I have a jug. I rub all the measuring numbers off the side and say it's capacity is 20% greater than actually is. This is illegal. but in fairness you wouldn't buy it because whats the point in buying a measuring jug with no increments on the side. This is your own knowledge saving yourself from a con artist. The same with Curry's the illlegal nasty shop as you'd refer to it. They don't tell you anything about the product that is a lie, they just big up the quality of it because it is better, no matter how you put it. If the profit margin of the 1080p tv is better than any other, then why not increase their profits, I mean for god sake who's ever heard of a national chain trying to make money. cheeky monkeys!!!!! They should sell them for trade god damn it!!! Jethro your fighting a losing battle here. stick to your twist and tune black and white tv matey!!

14-09-2008, 10:57	#114
Orbitalzone Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sussex Posts: 12,173	Blimey is this pointless thread still running? Jethro might well say he's had 20 years in the trade but so have many others on these forums..... while everyone is entitled to an opionion it doesn't actually make it a fact. You can have the same arguements about Sky, VHS, colour TV, BSB DMac, HD DVD and almost every other 'new' technology that has appeared. Surely people who 'got suckered' into buying HD DVD should be more entitled to a refund than someone who has bought a working and still supported 1080p TV? Exactly, it's a pointless discussion.

14-09-2008, 13:19	#115
be more pacific Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 16,034	I tried to buy one of these newfangled 1080p TVs in Currys. When I got to the till, they tried to pull a fast one and charge me 89900p! It's the swizz of the century!

14-09-2008, 13:42	#116
jibberjabber2b Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: London Posts: 721	I have to say this thread is extremely entertaining and for that reason it is definitely in the correct place, the "Home Entertainment" section.

14-09-2008, 17:37	#117
Orbitalzone Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sussex Posts: 12,173	Quote: Originally Posted by jibberjabber2b I have to say this thread is extremely entertaining and for that reason it is definitely in the correct place, the "Home Entertainment" section. oh how right you are!

14-09-2008, 18:21	#118
callum9999 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,932	Currys still sell 4:3 non-HD CRT's so I don't see what you are basing the "only 1080p available by christmas" on. Even if that does happen (one in a billion chance) there are other shops (who also still sell CRTs).

14-09-2008, 20:10	#119
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by callum9999 . I don't see what you are basing the "only 1080p available by christmas" on... on the basis that: A/ 99% of sets on display as of Xmas will be 1080p sets (anything else will be strictly 'under the counter only') B/ people wanting/needing 1080p sets (those with 'a' source) will be around 1/100th of one percent of the populous (1 in every 10,000 ish) = the other 9,999 will be 'cadjolled' into buying a TV they neither want nor will 'ever' need = gross miss-selling

14-09-2008, 20:16	#120
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by Orbitalzone ..Jethro might well say he's had 20 years in the trade . 20 years in 'Sales' Quote: Originally Posted by Orbitalzone ...while everyone is entitled to an opionion it doesn't actually make it a fact... where did i say my credentials = my opinion = facts? my credentials = my credibility facts = 1080p sets are being outragiously over-sold .

14-09-2008, 20:24	#121
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by zestfulmass ..Going back to your OP when you mentioned Mortgage selling of the 80's - That was illegal and that is why the government stepped in.... Selling mortgages is not illegal - doh! 'Miss-Selling' them (as per 1080p sets) is immoral legality has/will always shadow morality = The Electrical Retail Industry are heading for a crash and i can't wait .

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14-09-2008, 20:28	#122
be more pacific Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 16,034	Quote: Originally Posted by JethroUK on the basis that: A/ 99% of sets on display as of Xmas will be 1080p sets (anything else will be strictly 'under the counter only') I trust you can provide a source for that information? Quote: Originally Posted by JethroUK B/ people wanting/needing 1080p sets (those with 'a' source) will be around 1/100th of one percent of the populous (1 in every 10,000 ish) = the other 9,999 will be 'cadjolled' into buying a TV they neither want nor will 'ever' need = gross miss-selling Source? On what basis can you claim that only 1 in 10,000 people has access to a PS3, Blu-ray player, X-Box 360, upscaling DVD player, compatible Media Center PC or gaming PC?

14-09-2008, 20:42	#123
zestfulmass Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cheshire Posts: 805	Quote: Originally Posted by JethroUK 20 years in 'Sales' where did i say my credentials = my opinion = facts? my credentials = my credibility facts = 1080p sets are being outragiously over-sold . nobody said you had 20 years experience!!! yet again you jumped forward without reading the full post. mortgages were your original post analogy. the way mortgages were sold in the late 70's 80's were illegal. the way TV's are sold now isn't. your a stupid little boy and have no knowledge about anything. 1080p ISN'T BEING SOLD OUTRAGIOUSLY!!!!!

14-09-2008, 22:31	#124
JethroUK Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Loughboro', Leicester (ex NTL) Posts: 5,953	Quote: Originally Posted by be more pacific ...On what basis can you claim that only 1 in 10,000 people has access to a PS3, .. i'll let you hazzard a guestimation i'll also guarantee that Currys are currently displaying 100 times that ratio (whatever you find) in 1080p sets

14-09-2008, 22:38	#125
russellelly Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 10,720	You don't seem to be getting the idea of progress or "future-proofing" - what people have in equipment now doesn't necessarily dictate what they want their TV to support. I've just ordered a TV with 3 HDMI sockets, despite having no equipment which outputs HDMI. Why? Because I hope the TV will by far outlive my current sources which are years old. I walk into a shop and want a camera with a high quality lens, but only 1.3MegaPixels (I'm only printing 6x4", it's all I need) - there won't be one on the shelves. This is no different. If there is a massive gap for non-1080P sets (which are still available - I just ordered a Panasonic plasma, resolution 1024x768 I think) then someone will fill the gap. Supply and demand!