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Last Night's What the housemates did next - I am pleased to see forum members appreci
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Beer
13-09-2008
Last Night's What the housemates did next - I am pleased to see forum members appreciate the intelligence this guy offered. It's very refreshing.

A lot of what this guy did worked on levels I think some wouldn't expect. How can you put it in words? I guess the easiest way is - if you are on show, expect to be criticised, expect to be ridiculed and if you are not capable or not talented and you have nothing to back up your "presence" - then expect people to question "who do you think you are?"

I think the show really put into real terms that you are famous for what you are. What are the housemates famous for? In fact, unless they mock themselves and shame themselves, they are famous for nothing. It doesn't matter where they have been or what they come from or what they have done with their lives - they are not famous for that.

They are famous for being on Big Brother and this was questioning them exposing themselves as "known faces" post Big Brother.

I read somewhere, something interesting. Somebody said they wouldn't apply for Big Brother if they were given this level of disrespect. Since when was going on Big Brother about gaining respect or being treated with respect.
sarah2
13-09-2008
Well he had enough intelligence not to feature greedy slob Mo that's for sure!
Beer
13-09-2008
Originally Posted by sarah2:
“Well he had enough intelligence not to feature greedy slob Mo that's for sure!”

He showed him about as long as a lot of the other housemates. Some he didn't show at all.

He focussed mainly on the wannabes.
quasimoron
13-09-2008
The public glee in hating people,in the character assassination of people they don't even know shows that BB brings out the worst in people inside and outside the house.You see individuals acting in a cringe worthy way, a way that they would never act in the outside world. On the outside we can all occupy the moral high ground and feel superior.Be self righteous and hypercritical of every little fault despite the fact that all actions are the result of mind bending boredom and unrelenting stress.This is a program that encourages faultfinding, backstabbing and underhand tactics.

In BB you either eat with the pigs or get eaten.Its all about getting attention,being noticed and HM,s are prepared to go to any lengths to be noticed.We know this and if they keep a low profile or sit on the fence we label them boring .The fact is they are holding on desperately to their last shred of dignity with the producers just as desperately trying to divest them of it. These people are to be pitied not maligned as they enter the lions den mad fools that they are.15 minutes of fame, years of infamy.

We have garish lights, carnival mirrors and unflattering camera angles all designed to make people look ridiculous and objects of derision and mockery.Thats why people watch it has the appeal of the roman coliseum about it.

It is a show based on rejection and humiliation.The derision and mockery dehumanizes the HM,S and makes it easy to be cruel and mean.People are hated for petty things common to all of us human traits we all possess.Maybe thats it we don't like seeing our faults reflected back to us, as we hate most the faults, we know we possess ourselves.

Its obvious only what fits the story line is shown in the highlights and ;the oh its not; live 15 minutes later feed.Plus they switch to another room when they don't want something seen.We the public are manipulated as much as the HM,S.Viewer beware!If it is a game make it a fair one, with all sides shown.Then the term" you decide" will mean just that!with all the facts and the full picture.
Woodoak
13-09-2008
I was a tad annoyed I made myself sit through watching the people I disliked the most but did appreciate the way he interviewed them...was amusing.

I would have liked a more normal programme though that showed what genuinely happened to the last 7 and think it could have been two separate programmes.
Speak-Softly
13-09-2008
Originally Posted by quasimoron:
“The public glee in hating people,in the character assassination of people they don't even know shows that BB brings out the worst in people inside and outside the house.You see individuals acting in a cringe worthy way, a way that they would never act in the outside world. On the outside we can all occupy the moral high ground and feel superior.Be self righteous and hypercritical of every little fault despite the fact that all actions are the result of mind bending boredom and unrelenting stress.This is a program that encourages faultfinding, backstabbing and underhand tactics.

In BB you either eat with the pigs or get eaten.Its all about getting attention,being noticed and HM,s are prepared to go to any lengths to be noticed.We know this and if they keep a low profile or sit on the fence we label them boring .The fact is they are holding on desperately to their last shred of dignity with the producers just as desperately trying to divest them of it. These people are to be pitied not maligned as they enter the lions den mad fools that they are.15 minutes of fame, years of infamy.

We have garish lights, carnival mirrors and unflattering camera angles all designed to make people look ridiculous and objects of derision and mockery.Thats why people watch it has the appeal of the roman coliseum about it.

It is a show based on rejection and humiliation.The derision and mockery dehumanizes the HM,S and makes it easy to be cruel and mean.People are hated for petty things common to all of us human traits we all possess.Maybe thats it we don't like seeing our faults reflected back to us, as we hate most the faults, we know we possess ourselves.

Its obvious only what fits the story line is shown in the highlights and ;the oh its not; live 15 minutes later feed.Plus they switch to another room when they don't want something seen.We the public are manipulated as much as the HM,S.Viewer beware!If it is a game make it a fair one, with all sides shown.Then the term" you decide" will mean just that!with all the facts and the full picture.”

Good post.

And in answer to the OP, what intelligence is required to shoot fish in a barrel?

The program last night was a series of cheap shots and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the presenter spent a lot of time on the forums.

Give the public what they want and they will come back for more. Understanding that was the only intelligence on show last night.
Beer
13-09-2008
Originally Posted by Speak-Softly:
“Good post.

And in answer to the OP, what intelligence is required to shoot fish in a barrel?

The program last night was a series of cheap shots and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the presenter spent a lot of time on the forums.

Give the public what they want and they will come back for more. Understanding that was the only intelligence on show last night.”

It was a lot more than a few cheap shots. It was more candid and mocking of the element.

Like I said intelligence. Some people were offended by the insults - others saw how it was a satire on reality TV from the stand point of us all, the housemates, the viewers and also the makers.

As for giving the people what they want. We all want a lot of things and we all get what we can from what we're given. Point being - this is about the show rather than the obvious "we were played on our needs".

I don't think he based this on the forums. I do think he took the time to show people what it's all about. The truth away from the publicity.
andamooka
13-09-2008
Originally Posted by sarah2:
“Well he had enough intelligence not to feature greedy slob Mo that's for sure!”

He only featured for any length of time the house idiots

Mario - desperate wannabe
Steph - thick as mince
Lubex - desperate for money and fame
Jennadale - ugly to the core
anon-y-mouse
13-09-2008
Originally Posted by Beer:
“Last Night's What the housemates did next - I am pleased to see forum members appreciate the intelligence this guy offered. It's very refreshing.

A lot of what this guy did worked on levels I think some wouldn't expect. How can you put it in words? I guess the easiest way is - if you are on show, expect to be criticised, expect to be ridiculed and if you are not capable or not talented and you have nothing to back up your "presence" - then expect people to question "who do you think you are?"

I think the show really put into real terms that you are famous for what you are. What are the housemates famous for? In fact, unless they mock themselves and shame themselves, they are famous for nothing. It doesn't matter where they have been or what they come from or what they have done with their lives - they are not famous for that.

They are famous for being on Big Brother and this was questioning them exposing themselves as "known faces" post Big Brother.

I read somewhere, something interesting. Somebody said they wouldn't apply for Big Brother if they were given this level of disrespect. Since when was going on Big Brother about gaining respect or being treated with respect.”

Only 4 inmates that come to mind of the entire 9 series have amounted to anything after the show - Brian, Alison, Kate and Grace. That's a pretty damning indictment of those who queue for hours to be auditioned. Those 4 made it beyond the gates of BB because they have talent - that elusive something that sets them apart from the rest. I'm not saying that you cannot succeed unless you have talent, but a modicum of personality would stand them in good stead - Alison and Brian I suppose fit more into this category, rather than talent, but they must have something that makes them stand out - pretty but odious doesn't cut it anymore.
andamooka
13-09-2008
Originally Posted by anon-y-mouse:
“Only 4 inmates that come to mind of the entire 9 series have amounted to anything after the show - Brian, Alison, Kate and Grace. That's a pretty damning indictment of those who queue for hours to be auditioned. Those 4 made it beyond the gates of BB because they have talent - that elusive something that sets them apart from the rest. I'm not saying that you cannot succeed unless you have talent, but a modicum of personality would stand them in good stead - Alison and Brian I suppose fit more into this category, rather than talent, but they must have something that makes them stand out - pretty but odious doesn't cut it anymore.”

You forgot Craig.
And what has Grace done? Haven't heard about her since.
BMLisa
13-09-2008
It was definitely more than a few cheap shots. He was sooo insightful, like commenting on the fact that Mario had grabbed hold of the line he was thrown, and harked on about Health and Safety, like a David Brent caricature. It is obvious from Davina's interview that he had no idea he was like David Brent, but finding out people found that side funny he clung to it!

Coaxing Jen and Dale into a slanging match, where neither's ego would allow them to not put the other one down was genius!

Making Luke look like the biggest tw4t ever for his loss of scruples and morals just for a bit of cash (who was obsessed with the £100,000 cheque)

There were obviously a good few cheap shots in there as well:

"Effing Hell" at Belinda's segment. The comments about Jen getting her bits out, Bex being a vision of eroticism, Interviewing Nicole in a portakabin. to name a few.

On the whole it was my fave part of BB to date! They never used to take the mic on these shows so I love it that they are this year!

I was actually quite gald that he left out the newly evicted HM's, he obviously interviewed them shortly before or after BBLB so they had done nothing to follow them around so a winners week would be good to catch up with the final 6. However I'm quite pleased that all my faves (excluding Mikey and Sara) were spared this derision!
cressida100
13-09-2008
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“It was definitely more than a few cheap shots. He was sooo insightful, like commenting on the fact that Mario had grabbed hold of the line he was thrown, and harked on about Health and Safety, like a David Brent caricature. It is obvious from Davina's interview that he had no idea he was like David Brent, but finding out people found that side funny he clung to it!

Coaxing Jen and Dale into a slanging match, where neither's ego would allow them to not put the other one down was genius!

Making Luke look like the biggest tw4t ever for his loss of scruples and morals just for a bit of cash (who was obsessed with the £100,000 cheque)

There were obviously a good few cheap shots in there as well:

"Effing Hell" at Belinda's segment. The comments about Jen getting her bits out, Bex being a vision of eroticism, Interviewing Nicole in a portakabin. to name a few.

On the whole it was my fave part of BB to date! They never used to take the mic on these shows so I love it that they are this year!

I was actually quite gald that he left out the newly evicted HM's, he obviously interviewed them shortly before or after BBLB so they had done nothing to follow them around so a winners week would be good to catch up with the final 6. However I'm quite pleased that all my faves (excluding Mikey and Sara) were spared this derision!”


Good post. I agree it was very cleverly done. Also it went over the heads of some of the people on here. Blinding stating that their favourites got the longest amount of time on this programme. You couldn't make it up
BMLisa
13-09-2008
Originally Posted by cressida100:
“Good post. I agree it was very cleverly done. Also it went over the heads of some of the people on here. Blinding stating that their favourites got the longest amount of time on this programme. You couldn't make it up ”

I love that Darren Lyons even got mocked!
georgestitt
13-09-2008
I loved some of the subtle (and not so subtle) post-modern references in the soundtrack. During the Mario segment they briefly played 'Intro To Reality' by Anthrax. On the album the track starts with a sample from an episode of The Twilight Zone:

"We did as we were told!"
"They just heard you offer the apology for all the monsters of our times."
"Is that correct? Ha!"

The TZ ep was about Nazis rather than fame-hungry RTV contestants, but I can see what he was driving at. If I were going to take the p**s out of BB HMs using thrash metal I think I'd go with 'Breadline' by Megadeth. But I'm not subtle.
-Serotonin-
13-09-2008
Originally Posted by anon-y-mouse:
“Only 4 inmates that come to mind of the entire 9 series have amounted to anything after the show - Brian, Alison, Kate and Grace. That's a pretty damning indictment of those who queue for hours to be auditioned. Those 4 made it beyond the gates of BB because they have talent - that elusive something that sets them apart from the rest. I'm not saying that you cannot succeed unless you have talent, but a modicum of personality would stand them in good stead - Alison and Brian I suppose fit more into this category, rather than talent, but they must have something that makes them stand out - pretty but odious doesn't cut it anymore.”

Huh? Even Nikki has a more prominent media profile than Grace.

As for the programme, I don't think it was anything special. I certainly didn't see any of the the extraordinarily intelligent, cutting satire that has been suggested in this thread.

The presenter's narration provided a handful of amusing moments, but I'd much rather have found out what the HMs were actually up to than what we got - a self-indulgent exercise in voiceover peacockery to boost the presenter's own fledgling career.
Circe4
13-09-2008
I loved the programme, and could totally see where he was coming from, I even laughed out loud at the Nicole interview in the portakabin,and was glad that he Showed Rex to be the stuck up materialistic **** with a huge superiority complex, that he is, and even better, Rex actually thought the guy was interested in his lifestyle......... Brilliant.
Lynbt
13-09-2008
I'm watching it again, and it is even funnier second time.

WelshNige
13-09-2008
The highlight for me was the way it showed up Luke to be the fame hungry, money grabbing, hypocrite that he is.
Jennyloo
13-09-2008
Originally Posted by Woodoak:
“I was a tad annoyed I made myself sit through watching the people I disliked the most but did appreciate the way he interviewed them...was amusing.

I would have liked a more normal programme though that showed what genuinely happened to the last 7 and think it could have been two separate programmes.”

I couldnt agree with you more. I thought at only half way through what is this all about. Good guy who made it but WHY waste time with those earlier evicted when we had more than enough of em on the spin off shows.
Yet again I moan that I don't see the finalists. WTF is that all about? I switched over after being bored with Mario adn Dale hoping there would be more of the last few. Only got a couple of lines from them and non, Im pleased to say from Sara. Waste of a programme and should have been a 2nd episode or did he think they werent worth it. Well on second thoughts maybe he was right. I mean Rex going on about his new car, so blithely very self unaware of how crass he really is.
Luckysmurf
13-09-2008
I loved it

Hightlights for me

Mario's mum's 1st words to Mario on the programme "Oh, you weren't in long"

When Dale said "I should have said is....." and Lee Kern said "Next time" I loved Dale as a hm by the way.

Lee watching Luke's eviction from the hotel with Bex and Luke's sis, when he said "They took him from us too early" and "McDonalds or KFC"

Interviewing Nicole in the Portacabin by the Bins

Pretending to be interested in the car Rex was buying I LOVED REX (nearly) all series
peaches41
13-09-2008
I loved the way he kept silent when Mario opened all his fan mail (all two of them) when he got home, the way he replied to Dale's drunken boasting in the nightclub, but most of all the way he subtly took the mickey out of Luke, who obviously knew what he was doing but is so desperate for money that he didn't rise to the bait.
billiesmith
13-09-2008
Originally Posted by anon-y-mouse:
“Only 4 inmates that come to mind of the entire 9 series have amounted to anything after the show - Brian, Alison, Kate and Grace. That's a pretty damning indictment of those who queue for hours to be auditioned. Those 4 made it beyond the gates of BB because they have talent - that elusive something that sets them apart from the rest. I'm not saying that you cannot succeed unless you have talent, but a modicum of personality would stand them in good stead - Alison and Brian I suppose fit more into this category, rather than talent, but they must have something that makes them stand out - pretty but odious doesn't cut it anymore.”

I think you forgot the most famous Ex HM of all - Jade. Lover or hate her she is never out of the media and has made a fortune on the back of Big Brother and I think she is the HM that all the wannabees would like to emulate most.
anon-y-mouse
13-09-2008
Originally Posted by -Serotonin-:
“Huh? Even Nikki has a more prominent media profile than Grace.”

Media profile yes, but Grace is doing what she always wanted to do, stage work, panto, TV adverts, opening her own dance studio, appearing on TV with Mickey early next year for Sky. A little more substantial than gurning and stopping people in the street for opinions, and appearing at the latest opening of an envelope
anon-y-mouse
13-09-2008
Originally Posted by billiesmith:
“I think you forgot the most famous Ex HM of all - Jade. Lover or hate her she is never out of the media and has made a fortune on the back of Big Brother and I think she is the HM that all the wannabees would like to emulate most.”

I deliberately left Jade out because she has neither talent or personality. What Jade has is an ace PR machine. I do have to chuckle when people say that she's battled to bring her 'career' where it is now. She's done zilch except go along with what her PR has suggested.
sarah78
13-09-2008
Originally Posted by andamooka:
“He only featured for any length of time the house idiots

Mario - desperate wannabe
Steph - thick as mince
Lubex - desperate for money and fame
Jennadale - ugly to the core”

And done more than the rest of the HM's that had been thrown out, if you noticed. Lee was board with Mario and Steph had nothing to say, Jennadale weren't getting on, and Lubex were the funniest out of the lot of them. I don't think they are desperate for money and fame at all, them being reunited was the best thing i've seen in ages, that wasn't fake.
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