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Old 13-09-2008, 22:54
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This isn't a dig- just a query. What happened to series 2 winner Shayne Ward?

I remember the judges pimping him up to be the UK version of J.T. And I remember he had a few singles out after That's My Goal, which went into the top 10.

But I haven't heard of any news since last year at least. Is he still with the record label or has he been dropped? Thanks in advance.
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Old 13-09-2008, 22:57
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Shayne was touring this year

Hes also working on his next album. Not sure when thats due out but hes been working with Taio Cruz as well. I heard Taio speaking recently and he said he was just listening to some of the stuff Shayne has recorded so I'm presuming it must be neatly ready to be released.

-checked Wiki and apparently end of the year/early next year
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Old 13-09-2008, 23:05
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This isn't a dig- just a query. What happened to series 2 winner Shayne Ward?

I remember the judges pimping him up to be the UK version of J.T. And I remember he had a few singles out after That's My Goal, which went into the top 10.

But I haven't heard of any news since last year at least. Is he still with the record label or has he been dropped? Thanks in advance.
He released a second album which sold fairly well and he had two top 10 hits from it. Then he went on a UK tour and then to Asia to promote. Now he's working on his next album I believe.
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Old 13-09-2008, 23:07
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Thanks guys.

I do think that he has let some of his UK fans down, and has been concentrating too much on the International market. Some people might disagree with me though.

Hopefully he'll come back as good as ever, and doesn't fade away like some previous winners of talent shows.
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Old 14-09-2008, 11:15
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I thought I read he was taking a songwriters course in LA?
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Old 14-09-2008, 12:13
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I thought I read he was taking a songwriters course in LA?
Yes, you are right.

I think the main problem for him is, whilst people know who he is, he doesn't project an image. He's just turned out to be a bit something and nothing.

Even though he has a fan base I just don't seem him reaching great heights in the music business in the future.
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Old 14-09-2008, 15:42
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Thanks guys.

I do think that he has let some of his UK fans down, and has been concentrating too much on the International market.
Is it down to him, or to his management team. He's very young still...I think he does as he's told.
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Old 14-09-2008, 15:56
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He hasnt released any decent singles, dont hear him on radio much, so it seems hes not about in the UK when he has released and he still has a tween fanbase out there. He needs a good song.
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Old 14-09-2008, 16:02
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No U hang Up/ Breatheless is all I can remember him realsing after Thats My Goal.

His album last year released around the same time as Leonas got to number 2 in the charts as did his single. It wasn't huge but fairly succesful.
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Old 14-09-2008, 16:09
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In my local Asda store, his album from last year, Breathless, is on sale for only 3.00!
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Old 14-09-2008, 16:49
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It often seems that the winners of Reality shows tend to be just vehicles for the show itself. Not just the X-Factor but other music/talent shows.

Gareth Gates was and is a talented musician and songwriter, but was to my mind just used at a teen girl magnet in the short term with no real thought to devloping him much beyond that. Hence he is struggling to gain a foothold nowadays. He's been trying to raise his profile over the last year or two, but I was never convinced that doing programmes like 'Dancing On Ice' was a particularly good career move.

Will Young was a worthy winner and has proven be a credible artist even to this day. Few other reality show winners would be still trying to break the mould by appearing at Glasto, The V Festival etc., and succeeding.

Leona Lewis has been the most universal success of all thus far and shows that for all the amateur 'wannabees' trying to be a winner of the X-Factor and shows of that ilk, it pays gain training and coaching for that extra edge.

David Sneddon who won the first Fame Academy has often been dismissed as a failure when in fact the reverse has been proved true. His career has taken him exactly where he wants to be and that's as a songwriter with Universal. He knew what he wanted and he got it.

Lemar came third the year that David Sneddon won. He had been around the music business for a few years and his previous experience stood him in good stead and the break that FA gave him has paid off. He again is a credible artist.

Unfortunately Shayne seems to have been given a bit of a bum steer. He, like Gareth Gates seems to have been marketed as a teen girl's dream rather than a credible artist and I feel he's now lost too much ground, especially with the state of the music business these days.
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Old 14-09-2008, 17:27
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It's all about material imo, because he has an amazing voice (again, imo) is very personable, and performs well.
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Old 14-09-2008, 19:41
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I agree about the material. On paper he appears to have it all, good voice, good looks etc but I do wonder if it's the personality/drive that's lacking. In interviews I've read he seemed to be happy to do whatever was required of him which, to me, came across that he was more interested in the fame than forging his own musical identity and using the show as a stepping stone. It is probably unfair but it was an impression I got from what I read/heard.

Hopefully his new material will have more of Shayne about it and less of a JT sound-a-like because vocally he certainly is very good.
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Old 14-09-2008, 20:38
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He's still with Louis Walsh as manager and Simon Cowell's label, Syco (although I suspect he rarely sees Simon). His second album looked destined to flop but he sold more than 400,000 (that's more than Girls Aloud) and had 2 top 10 singles then a tour on the back of it.

Judging by recent reports, the surprising performance of the album might have led Syco/Walsh to have a bit more confidence and push for some better opportunities.
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Old 14-09-2008, 20:40
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I agree about the material. On paper he appears to have it all, good voice, good looks etc but I do wonder if it's the personality/drive that's lacking. In interviews I've read he seemed to be happy to do whatever was required of him which, to me, came across that he was more interested in the fame than forging his own musical identity and using the show as a stepping stone. It is probably unfair but it was an impression I got from what I read/heard.
Simon Cowell said something similar, once. After the first album, he said on the "One Year On" show that Shayne needed to have his own idea of where his career and music were going (I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist).
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Old 14-09-2008, 21:03
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I noticed there's a picture of him on Lucy's bedroom wall in Eastenders!!
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Old 14-09-2008, 22:07
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I agree about the material. On paper he appears to have it all, good voice, good looks etc but I do wonder if it's the personality/drive that's lacking. In interviews I've read he seemed to be happy to do whatever was required of him which, to me, came across that he was more interested in the fame than forging his own musical identity and using the show as a stepping stone. It is probably unfair but it was an impression I got from what I read/heard.

Hopefully his new material will have more of Shayne about it and less of a JT sound-a-like because vocally he certainly is very good.

He is just another me to type act singing cover songs. It's highly unlikely you will get anywhere much doing that. There are thousands of singers that can do that quite well.
They all end up being 5 minute wonders.

Think of all the previous X factor winners & runners up you probably cannot even remember many of them. Most get a couple of hits and then fade away.

To stay around they have to be unique and have something special and most just dont have that.
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Old 14-09-2008, 22:56
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He's far from the UK version of Justin Timberlake.
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Old 15-09-2008, 00:07
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It often seems that the winners of Reality shows tend to be just vehicles for the show itself. Not just the X-Factor but other music/talent shows.

Gareth Gates was and is a talented musician and songwriter, but was to my mind just used at a teen girl magnet in the short term with no real thought to devloping him much beyond that. Hence he is struggling to gain a foothold nowadays. He's been trying to raise his profile over the last year or two, but I was never convinced that doing programmes like 'Dancing On Ice' was a particularly good career move.

Will Young was a worthy winner and has proven be a credible artist even to this day. Few other reality show winners would be still trying to break the mould by appearing at Glasto, The V Festival etc., and succeeding.

Leona Lewis has been the most universal success of all thus far and shows that for all the amateur 'wannabees' trying to be a winner of the X-Factor and shows of that ilk, it pays gain training and coaching for that extra edge.

David Sneddon who won the first Fame Academy has often been dismissed as a failure when in fact the reverse has been proved true. His career has taken him exactly where he wants to be and that's as a songwriter with Universal. He knew what he wanted and he got it.

Lemar came third the year that David Sneddon won. He had been around the music business for a few years and his previous experience stood him in good stead and the break that FA gave him has paid off. He again is a credible artist.

Unfortunately Shayne seems to have been given a bit of a bum steer. He, like Gareth Gates seems to have been marketed as a teen girl's dream rather than a credible artist and I feel he's now lost too much ground, especially with the state of the music business these days.
Absolutely spot on comment and opinion.
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Old 15-09-2008, 10:16
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He needs a new image and sound, I know he MCs so perhaps go down that route.
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Old 15-09-2008, 11:20
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Although I didn't want Shayne to win - I really hope he does well. We can't just have Leona doing well from our talent.
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Old 15-09-2008, 13:07
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He's far from the UK version of Justin Timberlake.
Agreed but he is still good.

Poor management is the problem. Louis is really quite shit unless they are a boyband who can sing cover after cover.

Shayne should break away from him. Girls Aloud did and became much more successful as a result. I doubt they'd still be a band if Louis was still their manager. Even now he is telling Cheryl to leave the group.
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Old 15-09-2008, 13:58
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Agreed but he is still good.

Poor management is the problem. Louis is really quite shit unless they are a boyband who can sing cover after cover.

Shayne should break away from him. Girls Aloud did and became much more successful as a result. I doubt they'd still be a band if Louis was still their manager. Even now he is telling Cheryl to leave the group.
Completely agree re: poor management. Trouble is I just don't see Shayne as having the confidence/drive/intellect call it whatever you will to pull away & make his own decisions. I may be doing him an injustice but I've always got he impression that he is happy to let those around him make the running & he feels comfortable being controlled. I do think that was part of the attraction of having Shayne as the winner as he was happy to be Syco puppet after the friction they had with Steve.

Is Shayne the only X-Factor act still with Global?? (Louis Walsh)
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Old 15-09-2008, 14:15
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Completely agree re: poor management. Trouble is I just don't see Shayne as having the confidence/drive/intellect call it whatever you will to pull away & make his own decisions. I may be doing him an injustice but I've always got he impression that he is happy to let those around him make the running & he feels comfortable being controlled. I do think that was part of the attraction of having Shayne as the winner as he was happy to be Syco puppet after the friction they had with Steve.

Is Shayne the only X-Factor act still with Global?? (Louis Walsh)
I agree. Unfortunately I feel that his lack of personal motivation is most likely one of the contributing factors to why he's losing ground in the music business.

He was ideal at the time because he was malleable and easy control and I think he still is. At times when he's been on TV he can tend to have a bit of a personality bypass. I recall him appearing on The X-Factor Battle of The Stars 2006 to promote his album. He stood there with Simon Cowell after performing and looked totally at a loss.

He was basically an amateur before appearing on X-Factor and does seem reliant on others opinions and decisions. This doesn't bode well for his future because you need to stand firm sometimes if you want to look after your own best interests. Even the most compliant artist will find their Mangement losing impetus after a while.

It's a fine line between being easy to please and difficult to handle but Shayne definitely needs to find some B**lls!
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Old 15-09-2008, 14:40
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I agree. Unfortunately I feel that his lack of personal motivation is most likely one of the contributing factors to why he's losing ground in the music business.

He was ideal at the time because he was malleable and easy control and I think he still is. At times when he's been on TV he can tend to have a bit of a personality bypass. I recall him appearing on The X-Factor Battle of The Stars 2006 to promote his album. He stood there with Simon Cowell after performing and looked totally at a loss.

He was basically an amateur before appearing on X-Factor and does seem reliant on others opinions and decisions. This doesn't bode well for his future because you need to stand firm sometimes if you want to look after your own best interests. Even the most compliant artist will find their Mangement losing impetus after a while.

It's a fine line between being easy to please and difficult to handle but Shayne definitely needs to find some B**lls!
I totally agree. The question is would another agent/record company be bidding to take hime on?? Suspect Leon will fit very neatly into the same package as Shayne - young kid (amateur) just grateful for what is happening & expecting others to drive his career for however long it lasts.

It is interesting that Jonathan Ansell (G4) when he went solo got himself another agent (Jonathan Shalit) away from Global (Louis Walsh). Also said no to Sony & is with Universal. This takes confidence but of course the opportunity to 'move' has to be there in the first place. What this new team have done for him in last 9 months is unbelievable. They are establishing him as a credible classical crossover artist & his talent is now being recognised - with the media/critics. Currently appearing in The Mikado. He is still so young in terms of his genre as the tenor voice doesn't mature until mid-thirties so 'plan' seems to be long term for him. How different to the 'cash cow' approach for many acts coming out of X-Factor.
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