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Old 19-09-2008, 07:16
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No way would Leon have won on Scottish and teen votes alone. Same as Rhydian wouldn't have won on Welsh and middle-aged people's votes alone.

Leon may have had strong support in his home country, but you can't deny that Rhydian also had strong support from the people of Wales. It didn't work for SD as English people tend to be less patriotic towards their country
It isn't that,it's really because the English realise that X Factor is a show about singing talent and they don't turn it into a battle for their own country like the Scots and the Welsh do.
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Old 19-09-2008, 07:37
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It isn't that,it's really because the English realise that X Factor is a show about singing talent and they don't turn it into a battle for their own country like the Scots and the Welsh do.


....not sure I agree with you there - if that was the case then surely G4 would have won over Steve Brookstein as they were classically trained and superior singers. The English also are renowned for the sympathy vote and Sharon`s tirade against him ensured his victory
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Old 19-09-2008, 08:25
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That puzzled me a little too. However, as DS says elsewhere

"...you have to be a fan of Musical Theatre to understand the ALW hits"

it is reasonable to assume it refers to the musical stage.

Although it could be argued that ALW's hits do not rely upon MT fans for their success. Argentina was a No 1 hit for Julie Covington in 1977, almost a year before the show opened. So perhaps his music is also accessible to the general music buying public too?
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Old 19-09-2008, 10:09
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....not sure I agree with you there - if that was the case then surely G4 would have won over Steve Brookstein as they were classically trained and superior singers. The English also are renowned for the sympathy vote and Sharon`s tirade against him ensured his victory
Gee, and I thought Steve won because people preferred him...

I think Steve won for the same reason Leon won. Popera splits opinion.
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Old 19-09-2008, 10:25
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That puzzled me a little too. However, as DS says elsewhere

"...you have to be a fan of Musical Theatre to understand the ALW hits"

it is reasonable to assume it refers to the musical stage.

Although it could be argued that ALW's hits do not rely upon MT fans for their success. Argentina was a No 1 hit for Julie Covington in 1977, almost a year before the show opened. So perhaps his music is also accessible to the general music buying public too?
I was only trying to give an analogy

I seem to have managed to upset people for which I apologise - my ramblings are just my view and have no merit outside a message board! You may not believe this but I do wish every one of the people discussed above success in their chosen paths - it is a tough world out there.

I'll go away quietly ...
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Old 19-09-2008, 11:02
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I don't think you upset people Daisy Chain, your opinion is as valid as anyone elses - but I do agree with the others that everyone's success is down to themselves and that they do not owe it to anyone else. In other words, if Rhydian succeeds, he owes no thanks to Lee or Jon.

With Steve's win, it was nothing ot do with sympathy or Sharon - he has an excellent voice and won every week preceding the final, bar one. What is surprising is that this popularity was lost within days, maybe because of Sharon's outburst or negative press. He was allegedly booed by a section of the crowd at his appearance on the open air Top of the Pops the following day. I don't think the record company and/or his management was behind him. He never got to appear anywhere - his album was a hastily assembled album of covers, his video for it was, I believe, a compilation of scenes from the X Factor. He never had a chance. No money was spent on him.
He can only dream of the support that Rhydian appears to be enjoying. But Sony seems to believe in Rhydian, unlike Steve they wanted him. The interest is also possibly there from others
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Old 19-09-2008, 11:33
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I was only trying to give an analogy

I seem to have managed to upset people for which I apologise - my ramblings are just my view and have no merit outside a message board! You may not believe this but I do wish every one of the people discussed above success in their chosen paths - it is a tough world out there.

I'll go away quietly ...
Don't do that. You are as entitled to express your views as any of us, and it's interesting to have a different slant on things. You always have to be prepared for some people to disagree with you, that's all.
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Old 19-09-2008, 11:56
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Hi Daisy-Chain

Don't go away. This has been one of the most informative and interesting threads on here for days. I've certainly learnt a lot.

In the end, we will all have our own preferences. It would be a very boring world if we didn't!
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Old 19-09-2008, 12:13
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Hi Daisy-Chain

Don't go away. This has been one of the most informative and interesting threads on here for days. I've certainly learnt a lot.

In the end, we will all have our own preferences. It would be a very boring world if we didn't!
Yep, that's what general discussion forums are for. If we all had the same opinion, they would just die away.
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Old 19-09-2008, 12:41
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Daisy, I'm sure you haven't upset anyone here! As said - that's what forums are all about - for an exchange of views and information?

Very interesting to read your thoughts and opinions.
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Old 19-09-2008, 13:29
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I've found it interesting thinking about how reality tv stars have or have not slotted into the mainstream.

In the end, I think we have to remember the old saying "fortune favours the brave".

On some other forums there has been a lot of griping and, dare I say, snobbery about Rhydian.

In the end though, one has to remember what an enormous risk he, Jon Ansell and Lee Mead took in entering the world of reality tv. All of them were on track for a career taking the traditional route - which may or may not have led to success. In the end, there are a huge number of extraordinarily talented performers out there who never get "discovered" or become as successful as their talent merits.

What each of them did was take a risk. If Rhydian had been voted out on the first week of the live finals, he would have made a laughing stock of himself and his "classical" career may never have recovered. Lee Mead too gave up a prestigious role to risk it all on Joseph.

So - will Rhyd be the most successful runner up ever? Who knows - I guess time will tell. In the end, you just have to admire his courage.
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Old 19-09-2008, 13:41
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I've found it interesting thinking about how reality tv stars have or have not slotted into the mainstream.

In the end, I think we have to remember the old saying "fortune favours the brave".

On some other forums there has been a lot of griping and, dare I say, snobbery about Rhydian.

In the end though, one has to remember what an enormous risk he, Jon Ansell and Lee Mead took in entering the world of reality tv. All of them were on track for a career taking the traditional route - which may or may not have led to success. In the end, there are a huge number of extraordinarily talented performers out there who never get "discovered" or become as successful as their talent merits.

What each of them did was take a risk. If Rhydian had been voted out on the first week of the live finals, he would have made a laughing stock of himself and his "classical" career may never have recovered. Lee Mead too gave up a prestigious role to risk it all on Joseph.

So - will Rhyd be the most successful runner up ever? Who knows - I guess time will tell. In the end, you just have to admire his courage.
OMG Meg I actually agree with you LOL.
I do think for these 3 guys that although they took a massive risk I guess the potential benefits if they were successful outweighed the costs.

For Rhydian I honestly believe the XF provided him with a fast track or short cut to the career he wanted his success on the XF negated the years of knocking on doors and going to audition after audition without ever getting himself known. He is now a known quantity his name is out there and people know he will put bums on seats.

This of course will turn some off as the theatre and music world is full of snobbery against reality stars but others won't care so personally I think it was a very smart move maybe somewhat lucky it paid off but as you say fortune favours the brave.

Lets face it a year ago Rhydian was just another wannabe now he has a recording contract and is known to many in the theatre world a long way to come in such a short space of time.

Whether he maintains this long term is up to him I guess because it won't be all smooth sailing but one thing I can say about Rhyd is he is a hard worker and determined to succeed so there is no reason why in years to come we won't see him treading the boards in the Westend or Broadway.
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Old 19-09-2008, 13:50
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I was only trying to give an analogy

I seem to have managed to upset people for which I apologise - my ramblings are just my view and have no merit outside a message board! You may not believe this but I do wish every one of the people discussed above success in their chosen paths - it is a tough world out there.

I'll go away quietly ...

DC your views and opinions are as valued and as relevant as anyone else's here .. that's what "discussion boards" are for .. if people didn't have differing opinions then these places would just be a board (or should that be "bored"?) ... if the discussion was removed.

So there's no need for you to go away at all, keep posting
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Old 25-10-2008, 13:44
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Thought I'd try and revive this thread in lieu of Rhydian's album news...
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Old 25-10-2008, 13:56
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yeah from his album news ....I think he could go on after several albums to surpass G4's sales......the production on his album hints at respect and money given by the record company

and the producers are all heavy hitters
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Old 25-10-2008, 14:02
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No they weren't. Gareth had chart success in more countries, plus was also the face of Wella Shockwaves and Pepsi Cola for a time. Let's just say that he will never need to worry about the bills for the rest of his life
Didn't Gareth agree to film a mini series a year or so ago following his attempt at a comeback, and he was living in a small flat, struggling to pay his bills? I remember it was all over the papers, Gareth fallen on hard times etc, with a picture of him looking lardy and unhealthy...
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Old 25-10-2008, 14:04
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Didn't Gareth agree to film a mini series a year or so ago following his attempt at a comeback, and he was living in a small flat, struggling to pay his bills? I remember it was all over the papers, Gareth fallen on hard times etc, with a picture of him looking lardy and unhealthy...

I watched that and he was living in a expensive modern flat.....driving a nice car...not looking lardy at all
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Old 25-10-2008, 14:09
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I watched that and he was living in a expensive modern flat.....driving a nice car...not looking lardy at all

Aaah my bad lol, I could've sworn the papers made it sound like he was 50p away from signing on and stuff.
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Old 25-10-2008, 14:14
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Didn't Gareth agree to film a mini series a year or so ago following his attempt at a comeback, and he was living in a small flat, struggling to pay his bills? I remember it was all over the papers, Gareth fallen on hard times etc, with a picture of him looking lardy and unhealthy...
Not at all on any of those counts.
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Old 25-10-2008, 14:15
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It isn't that,it's really because the English realise that X Factor is a show about singing talent and they don't turn it into a battle for their own country like the Scots and the Welsh do.
Yes it seems to be something very peculiar to Wales and Scotland. Tey are very inward looking and dont like voting for anyone who is not Scottish or Welsh.

England & NI on the other hand vote for who they see as the best performer regardless of nationality.
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Old 25-10-2008, 14:22
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Yes it seems to be something very peculiar to Wales and Scotland. Tey are very inward looking and dont like voting for anyone who is not Scottish or Welsh.

England & NI on the other hand vote for who they see as the best performer regardless of nationality.
Everyone has a sense of belonging. It is to Britain and their locality for the English, but it is also to Scotland for the Scots.
Think of a European X factor, and you'll see if the English haven't got a sense a nationality, especially if they compete against the French
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Old 23-11-2008, 11:03
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Will the album beat Leon's no. 4 peak?
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Old 23-11-2008, 11:06
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Will the album beat Leon's no. 4 peak?
It's not the chart position that's important, it's the sales. Of course, getting a #1 is a nice achievement, but in a long run, not as valuable as solid sales.
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Old 23-11-2008, 11:08
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Will the album beat Leon's no. 4 peak?
I`ll be more interested in his sales next week because it is going to be a very high sales week ie The Killers and Guns n Roses are expected to both sell in excess of 150k........so I won`t be disappointed if Rhydian only makes No 5 but sells in excess of 50k (in fact I will be delighted..and even more delighted if he can sustain consistent sales between now and Xmas)
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Old 23-11-2008, 14:10
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I`ll be more interested in his sales next week because it is going to be a very high sales week ie The Killers and Guns n Roses are expected to both sell in excess of 150k........so I won`t be disappointed if Rhydian only makes No 5 but sells in excess of 50k (in fact I will be delighted..and even more delighted if he can sustain consistent sales between now and Xmas)
He should sell at least 50K in Wales alone...
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