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Blue Ray Gone by 2012?
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underwaterbilly
22-09-2008
Originally Posted by MAW:
“Blu ray will never be mainstream, Sony's whole strategy is based around premium pricing. They will milk it for all it's worth till downloads become viable. I'm an installer, I don't own a Blu player, I'm investing in NAS instead.”

I got Evil Dead 2,Rambo 1,2 and 3, and others on Bluray for £7.99 each - hardly premium pricing.

I got brand new releases of the Kubrick films from the US for £12 delivered

Even on PLAY.COM new Bluray releases are cheaper now than dvd's were when they first came out and £17.99 is a lot less today than it was when dvd arrived
Deacon1972
22-09-2008
Originally Posted by underwaterbilly:
“I'd still like to know where I said that SD Freeview was on par with HD”

I didn't say you did, you were replying to me as if I had said it, that's why I was querying what you said by putting "HD equal to SD Freeview?

As you have said you were answering someone else, I didn't know what the hell you were on about as I had made no reference to HD/SD freeview comparison.
Echo1
22-09-2008
Originally Posted by underwaterbilly:
“I got Evil Dead 2,Rambo 1,2 and 3, and others on Bluray for £7.99 each - hardly premium pricing.

I got brand new releases of the Kubrick films from the US for £12 delivered

Even on PLAY.COM new Bluray releases are cheaper now than dvd's were when they first came out and £17.99 is a lot less today than it was when dvd arrived”

You and most every other Blu-ray owner (including and excluding PS3 owners) are a minority. The format just doesn't cut it for the general public. When I can buy recent films on DVD for less than £5 there is little incentive to go HD, which costs more.
Deacon1972
22-09-2008
Originally Posted by Echo1:
“You and most every other Blu-ray owner (including and excluding PS3 owners) are a minority. The format just doesn't cut it for the general public. When I can buy recent films on DVD for less than £5 there is little incentive to go HD, which costs more.”

Depends what you want to sit down and watch, I want the best possible picture and audio to go with the equipment I have bought.

I find Bluray no different to DVD when that first came out, £25 per movie, in time prices drop, average price I pay for Bluray now is about £10.

If someone's happy with DVD then that's fine by me, I bought and watched DVD for years, it's good format, but now something better has come along I prefer that.
Echo1
22-09-2008
What you pay, but the average movie buyer will buy from the local high street and the average Blu-ray disc is way more than £10. You and a few others wont change things. Blu-ray is the new Laser Disc.
Resident Evil
22-09-2008
IMO HD through cable/sky is a natural progression in broadcasting, blu-ray on the other hand is just a pointless addition to a format that was running along nicely. I have blu-ray on my PS3 but i won't be buying any BR discs
Deacon1972
22-09-2008
Originally Posted by Echo1:
“What you pay, but the average movie buyer will buy from the local high street and the average Blu-ray disc is way more than £10. You and a few others wont change things. Blu-ray is the new Laser Disc.”

I'm not out there to change things, I'm out there buying my entertainment just like you.

All I'm interested in is it's here now, no one knows exactly what's around the corner, I just enjoy the present.

I wouldn't expect those who can afford to buy into Bluray whine about the price of the software.

I don't think disc price comes into it IMO, I'd say it's the hardware, TV and players.
underwaterbilly
23-09-2008
Originally Posted by Echo1:
“You and most every other Blu-ray owner (including and excluding PS3 owners) are a minority. The format just doesn't cut it for the general public. When I can buy recent films on DVD for less than £5 there is little incentive to go HD, which costs more.”

New releases on UK dvd are more expensive than many US Blurays.

If I can get superior quality for less than dvd I will
MAW
23-09-2008
Keep looking at it like that. It's the only healthy way. I haven't bought a player cos of the lack of profile 2 hardware, and advise all my CI clients to wait, I lend them HD DVD players and some movies, paid £50 each for the loan players. The Panasonic BD50 will cure that problem, but it's a fair bit of cash to pay. The purpose of winning the format war was to push expensive hardware. They have what would be termed a cartel if it was the oil business.
beko1987
23-09-2008
For me to get Blu-Ray, I would have to buy a new TV, new Surround Sound, new Blu-Ray player (Surround sound is integrated with DVD player, Handy!) and lots of Blu-Ray discs. Whilst I have no doubt that one day I will, for now I'm happy with my extensive DVD collection that I'm not far off perfecting, so have no wish to run out and but 80+ DVD's ALL over again!

When players come down in price, as well as the discs then I will upgrade, but not for now!
bobcar
23-09-2008
Originally Posted by Echo1:
“What you pay, but the average movie buyer will buy from the local high street and the average Blu-ray disc is way more than £10. You and a few others wont change things. Blu-ray is the new Laser Disc.”

The big difference is that BD players will play DVDs so that when the prices of players and disks come right down to the price of DVDs there will be a quiet and seamless upgrade with most people hardly noticing.
grumsta
23-09-2008
>>so have no wish to run out and buy 80+ DVD's ALL over again<<

No need. My PS3 upscales DVDs very well indeed, I have no intention of replacing my DVDs for BRD except for real favourites like T2. I'm sure most if not all Blu-Ray players can do this, not just the PS3.

If a new film comes out I'll probably get it on BRD.

It's a migration process if you do it right, not a "big bang".
Echo1
23-09-2008
Originally Posted by underwaterbilly:
“New releases on UK dvd are more expensive than many US Blurays.

If I can get superior quality for less than dvd I will”

I said recent releases, not new releases. DVDs go down in price very fast. Blu-ray doesn't.

Originally Posted by bobcar:
“The big difference is that BD players will play DVDs so that when the prices of players and disks come right down to the price of DVDs there will be a quiet and seamless upgrade with most people hardly noticing.”

When.... and that'll be when? It has been two years since the release of Blu-ray and there isn't a cheap system yet. When DVD came out, there was already cheap ones available within the same time frame. I don't see Blu-ray players dropping in price anytime soon, nor do I see any cheap manufactures jumping on this technology right now, either.

I think it's safe to predict that Blu-ray is the new Laser Disc, albeit slightly more popular - for now; meaning, when retailers realise that they aren't selling as well as expected, will give them smaller shelf space.
bigwillcv36
23-09-2008
Originally Posted by Echo1:
“I said recent releases, not new releases. DVDs go down in price very fast. Blu-ray doesn't.

......It has been two years since the release of Blu-ray and there isn't a cheap system yet. When DVD came out, there was already cheap ones available within the same time frame. I don't see Blu-ray players dropping in price anytime soon, nor do I see any cheap manufactures jumping on this technology right now, either.


I think it's safe to predict that Blu-ray is the new Laser Disc, albeit slightly more popular - for now; meaning, when retailers realise that they aren't selling as well as expected, will give them smaller shelf space.”

It's hardly a fair comparison - DVD didn't have a rival format of similar quality to confuse people for the first year of it's commercial existence, blu-ray did.

Blu-ray is slowly growing in popularity and will continue to do so, and prices will drop (both for the hardware and the discs). There are bound to be many people who are reluctant to make the jump, and a good percentage that never do (I still see people buying retail VHS movies), but an awful lot will.

I'm waiting for the double-dips to start (it's inevitable), then people who need the latest, greatest, "Director's Extended, Super Duper 3 disk Ultimate Edition" will be sticking their old copies on ebay for a song... It happened with DVD, it will happen with blu
Deacon1972
23-09-2008
Originally Posted by Echo1:
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When.... and that'll be when? It has been two years since the release of Blu-ray and there isn't a cheap system yet. When DVD came out, there was already cheap ones available within the same time frame.”

I don't know where you were shopping but it certainly wasn't two years before the cheap players came out around here.

I still paid nearly £400 for my second player 4yrs down the line, the one after that cost me £350. There were no such thing as a Goodmans, Alba Beko DVD player, only the top brand name manufacturers released them like Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, Toshiba, Denon.

I don't know how many years after their launch that supermarkets started to stock them, this when I noticed the prices dropping considerably, it wasn't 2yrs.

Bluray is two years old and prices have dropped a lot, they can now be found for £150. Cheaper than DVD two years after launch.
You_mo
23-09-2008
Originally Posted by grumsta:
“>>so have no wish to run out and buy 80+ DVD's ALL over again<<

No need. My PS3 upscales DVDs very well indeed, I have no intention of replacing my DVDs for BRD except for real favourites like T2. I'm sure most if not all Blu-Ray players can do this, not just the PS3.

If a new film comes out I'll probably get it on BRD.

It's a migration process if you do it right, not a "big bang".”

Me too. When a new film comes out that I really want I'll buy it on BRD, I'm not re-buying DVDs I already own, except for a special few. The PS3 upscaler is fantastic.

It's hard to justify the cost for the improvement in picture.
will2348
23-09-2008
Yes, Blu-ray is a short-term technology which i doubt will be gone by 2012 but possibly 2015 but i doubt blu-ray will be completly gone because HD movie downloads will take over but before this can happen a £2 Billion upgrade needs to be done on our internet network to be able to cope with this. Then you will be able to download a HD movie within around 10 minutes and if you want a actual copy just copy it onto a blu-ray disk. So blu-ray will never be gone completly.
soulboy77
23-09-2008
Yes, I can imagine a future where no one will need or want to own a copy of a movie as every film ever made will be available to watch on-line or via a temporary download.
MrGiles2
23-09-2008
Blu Ray Discs are starting to come down in price already. Zavvi have offers on at the mo, 2 for £30.

And yes THEY WILL come down.

Can anyone remember how much Video Movies were when they first came out? £35 upwards

And the blank tapes?? A Tenner, more in some places.

And I am going back to the early 80s.

And NO I arent that old
Jarrak
23-09-2008
Originally Posted by Deacon1972:
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I wouldn't expect those who can afford to buy into Bluray whine about the price of the software.

I don't think disc price comes into it IMO, I'd say it's the hardware, TV and players.”




Well I can afford Blu-ray and still have my XE1 on the AV rack but that doesn't stop me being vexed over the pricing of cat A Blu-ray releases, catalogue titles are far more reasonably priced (in line with brand new DVD titles).


For me it's the opposite, the initial buy in price is a one off and you pay it or you don't, it's the ongoing costs where an extra couple of pounds twists the knife.
I see it as the Blu-ray camp and studios quite happy to sit back and basically if you pay the prices fine and if you don't then DVD is selling and downloads making more money every month.

In terms of the original question I don't see the Blu-ray format getting the backing it requires to become mainstream, there was more action on the HD front when there were two formats, what a pity
Jarrak
23-09-2008
Originally Posted by MrGiles2:
“Blu Ray Discs are starting to come down in price already. Zavvi have offers on at the mo, 2 for £30.”



I don't think it's quite that clear cut if you remove the catalogue releases from the price comparison, I would say that the big titles have crept up in price a little at online stores, forget high street.
There is still benefits in shopping around but we are a long way from a situation where prices are halved inside 3 months of release.

Yes Zavvi have 2 for £25 deal but so has everyone else and yes they are the same bunch of titles other dealers are offering, probably a distributer promotion.

This article speaks volumes.
Deacon1972
23-09-2008
Originally Posted by Jarrak:
“Well I can afford Blu-ray and still have my XE1 on the AV rack but that doesn't stop me being vexed over the pricing of cat A Blu-ray releases, catalogue titles are far more reasonably priced (in line with brand new DVD titles).


For me it's the opposite, the initial buy in price is a one off and you pay it or you don't, it's the ongoing costs where an extra couple of pounds twists the knife.
I see it as the Blu-ray camp and studios quite happy to sit back and basically if you pay the prices fine and if you don't then DVD is selling and downloads making more money every month.

In terms of the original question I don't see the Blu-ray format getting the backing it requires to become mainstream, there was more action on the HD front when there were two formats, what a pity”

I certainly wouldn't complain if prices were lower, but I bought into Bluray knowing the price of discs would be relatively high and Sony and the studios would be taking advantage of it.

I didn't buy into it until late so there were plenty of titles that had been out for a while at very reasonable prices.

Having Sky HD as well I don't tend to buy discs in quite the same fashion as I did with DVD, it's only the real blockbusters that I go for which can be picked up pretty cheap on the net.

If I had to grumble it would be the prices they charge for PS3 games.
CaffeineJunkie
23-09-2008
I started reading this thread cos I thought it was going to give me some useful information, but then I just skipped to the end cos it's a load of old bollocks.
Echo1
23-09-2008
Originally Posted by Deacon1972:
“I don't know where you were shopping but it certainly wasn't two years before the cheap players came out around here.

I still paid nearly £400 for my second player 4yrs down the line, the one after that cost me £350. There were no such thing as a Goodmans, Alba Beko DVD player, only the top brand name manufacturers released them like Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, Toshiba, Denon.

I don't know how many years after their launch that supermarkets started to stock them, this when I noticed the prices dropping considerably, it wasn't 2yrs.

Bluray is two years old and prices have dropped a lot, they can now be found for £150. Cheaper than DVD two years after launch.”

Back in mid 2000 I bought a £150 DVD player, and that was because I had no inclination to buy one sooner.
clockworks999
23-09-2008
Reading through this thread, I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned the "killer app." for any video format - "adult movies".

Adult material was the driver that pushed VCRs into the mass market, I'm sure that it did the same for DVD. Very little is available on Blu-Ray (I believe that Sony are making access to pressing plants very difficult), so consumer take-up is limited to techies. Get some HD adult material out there, and Blu-Ray will appeal to the older viewer.
More users = lower prices.
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