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Originally posted by ben4321 Exactly. Erm..... no..... If you'd actually paid attention, you would be aware that in interviews with the producer, Ruth Wrigley, it was declared that although the series had been popular in Holland, absolutely no one could predict whether BB would make it in Britain since Dutch culture is rather more liberal than ours........ It was heavily hyped, with particular reference to the sha**ing that had gone on between the winner and some girl in the original house. They showed the clip so often that I even remember seeing it a couple of times before the UK show started - and I wasn't even watching anything directly connected with the show! Advertising sex on the telly is usually how they put people off a show of course. |
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Originally posted by darling And your point is???Exactly. It was heavily hyped, with particular reference to the sha**ing that had gone on between the winner and some girl in the original house. They showed the clip so often that I even remember seeing it a couple of times before the UK show started - and I wasn't even watching anything directly connected with the show! Advertising sex on the telly is usually how they put people off a show of course. BB1 *was* initially a voyeuristic curio - it was not the cynical, cheap, tacky, dumbed down multimedia event that BB3 was. |
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Originally posted by ben4321 Right. I get you now. A "voyeuristic curio" isn't cynical, cheap, tacky and dumbed down. It only becomes so if its also very popular.
And your point is??? BB1 *was* initially a voyeuristic curio - it was not the cynical, cheap, tacky, dumbed down multimedia event that BB3 was. |
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Originally posted by darling Yes.Right. I get you now. A "voyeuristic curio" isn't cynical, cheap, tacky and dumbed down. It only becomes so if its also very popular. Because BB1 was also categorised as a psycho/sociological experiment as well as voyeuristic. It was not a ready-made hit. By the time BB3 came along, the formula had been flatted out, dumbed down, made banal and inseperable from the other pleb trash on our screens e.g. Hollyoaks, Footballers' Wives, Holby City, Bad Girls etc. in the same way that anything that becomes popular is reduced to its constituent parts with its innovations blunted. BB1 was given as much attention in the broadsheets as well as the tabloids. With BB3, it was just a case of which housemates' photo would sell the most issues of Heat and other tatty rags. That's the nature of TV culture today - and BB3 was representative of everything that is bad about it. At the time of its original broadcast, BB1 was intelligent, involving, high concept television and without its enormous success, you wouldn't have had BB3 in the first place. |
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This has long since become mega-boring so definitely time to stop.
If it makes you happy to think that BB1 was the epitome of excellence in reality TV and that you youself are the epitome of good taste instructing the Philistine hoards, then no doubt you'll continue being a very happy bunny. |
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Originally posted by darling Yes, indeed, anything that involves thoughtfully crafted argument would be "mega-boring" in your mindset, but at least you've been suitably educated. This has long since become mega-boring so definitely time to stop. If it makes you happy to think that BB1 was the epitome of excellence in reality TV and that you youself are the epitome of good taste instructing the Philistine hoards, then no doubt you'll continue being a very happy bunny.
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Originally posted by ben4321 If only. ......anything that involves thoughtfully crafted argument would be "mega-boring" in your mindset....... A degree of wit would also be nice, but I've long since given up on you for that too. |
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Originally posted by darling Well I'm not going to dumb down for your benefit. If only. A degree of wit would also be nice, but I've long since given up on you for that too. Wit and intelligence - something of an incongruity when it comes to BB3.
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Quote 10 instances of either from BB1 and I'll concede the argument.
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Originally posted by darling Buy the BB1 DVD and watch for yourself. I can't be bothered to waste any more time discussing BB1 with someone who obviously is incapable of appreciating a run of BB that actually had a more serious, sophisticated dimension. Besiides, BB1 worked because it contained an immersive flow of events, not a series of hyped up witless set pieces a la BB3.Quote 10 instances of either from BB1 and I'll concede the argument. If you honestly prefer the sight of the whiny Alex, emotionally arrested Jade, the endless drunken belligerence, Kate's crap Davina impersonations, Tim's party political broadcasts, Sandy's miserabilism, Sophie reduced to tears by bullying, Spencer's monosyllabic lack of charisma, Jonny's drunken misogyny, the insufferable loudmouthed Alison, PJ getting sucked off under his bed covers, Adele and Jade screaming at each other over a verucca, Kate stripped naked by Jonny and then nearly dying aftre he had plied her with booze, Jade cruelly tricked into stripping naked during a childish drinking game, Lynne's drunken carping, the sheer cruelty of the divide etc. then you're welcome to it. BB1 was high concept TV that was a surprise smash hit success. BB3 was cynically calculated low grade trash that pandered to the worst possible tastes. |
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Originally posted by darling Yeah, I didn't think you'd be able to.
Quote 10 instances of either from BB1 and I'll concede the argument. |
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Originally posted by darling No. Read the reply if you're capable. There is no argument to be had, besides, it's pretty obvious that you don't have the inner resources to appreciate it.
Yeah, I didn't think you'd be able to. |
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Big Brother One, what to me it was all about.
I remember BB1 so vividly. I also remember the run up to it and at the time, and this is what I consider important, nobody knew if it would be the biggest flop in TV history. I can remember the concerns of C4 and it’s producers et al worried sick at taking over so much prime-time TV with what was then an untried concept for British TV. Yes, we’d heard they’d “tried it out” in Holland and now it was the UK’s turn and what a gamble it was. Also, yes, it was pitched as Big Brother so it couldn’t possibly be said NOT to be voyeuristic, that’s the ostensible nature of the beast, but it was new, innovative and as yet not reduced to it’s lowest form by crass tabloid media overkill. Low key, yes, it was. I read up as much as I could, there were a few pre-BB TV programmes, it started to get exciting, I was intrigued, yes, we were going to get a BB in the UK. Now as it was BB1 we had nothing to compare it with. By now of course we are BB4 so we can compare on loads of levels. When I say I think BB1 was the best I mean it as it was the only time it was as near to it’s design as was possible, the HMs didn’t know how previous HMs had come over on camera, they like us were in for the shock of the new. If you have followed BB1 right through to BB4 you will have been dismayed by the antics of some of the HMs during their stay and afterwards but you always knew after BB1 that they HAD to top the Nasty Nick incident, hence thereafter the dumbing down, which is manifest, annoying at best and destructive at worst. By far the worst thing ever was BB4 which had to resort to all manner of gimmicks (even a rigged bomb hoax) to draw back viewers. No, give me BB with the original concept intact, or was BB1’s legacy Pandora’s Box which opened for BB2 and allowed out BB3 and scraped the bottom for BB4? The analogy should end with HOPE but I can’t see any, can you? |
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Originally posted by maisymoo Indeed. You can't provide examples of why BB1 was so far superior to 3. It is was the context and conceits that made it work - the simplicity of the execution and the complexity of the way it pushed so many buttons with the media and with the audience.
Big Brother One, what to me it was all about. I remember BB1 so vividly. I also remember the run up to it and at the time, and this is what I consider important, nobody knew if it would be the biggest flop in TV history. I can remember the concerns of C4 and it’s producers et al worried sick at taking over so much prime-time TV with what was then an untried concept for British TV. Yes, we’d heard they’d “tried it out” in Holland and now it was the UK’s turn and what a gamble it was. Also, yes, it was pitched as Big Brother so it couldn’t possibly be said NOT to be voyeuristic, that’s the ostensible nature of the beast, but it was new, innovative and as yet not reduced to it’s lowest form by crass tabloid media overkill. |
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Originally posted by darling You provide ten examples of any intelligence in BB3 then.
Quote 10 instances of either from BB1 and I'll concede the argument. |
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You can't provide examples of why BB1 was so far superior to 3. It is was the context and conceits that made it work - the simplicity of the execution and the complexity of the way it pushed so many buttons with the media and with the audience.
(the above from ben)That’s the point. Also I am not suggesting BB1 was “the best” because it was first, only that it adhered to the concept which I found fascinating. I wanted to see how HMs would deal with hand washes, a limited budget for food, the way they’d get on each other’s nerves and also I wanted to see the garden and the chickens and how they’d deal with that. Look at BB4 - when they failed a task they were “rewarded” with concession meals and treats, like they were kids who couldn’t take a telling off. That was pathetic. I imagine by BB6 “everyone wins, all go home with big prizes” or something equally annoying. |
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Originally posted by maisymoo Does that mean if you placed all the housemates from BB4 into the original BB1 show with exactly the same format, that BB4 would have been far more successful and the HM's considered far more interesting?
.........No, give me BB with the original concept intact......... |
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Quote: “Does that mean if you placed all the housemates from BB4 into the original BB1 show with exactly the same format, that BB4 would have been far more successful and the HM's considered far more interesting?” from “bystander”
It’s like two different programmes to me when I look back at BB1 and what we had in BB4. As far as “interesting” goes it would have been more interesting to watch the BB4 lot with proper hard long tasks (ok, the pedalo and the having to get up to do the Superhero one were pretty good!) and the fact that they were rewarded for failing tasks removed the disappointment factor. In BB1 you could almost feel the disappointment when they failed the “make a wire model of yourself” task as they worked sooooooooooo hard! None of that now, not after the “divide” of BB3, no, in BB4 the HMs were always assuaged with treats after failing. No point in expenditure-related tasks if they give them the booze and food anyway is there? That they chose the most boring, blandest people ever to grace the planet as HMs well, it would take more than a BB1 format to reconcile that! |
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Originally posted by maisymoo The success of BB is more to do with who the HM's are than anything else. The games, tasks and everything else are all trimmings to help move the show along.
........That they chose the most boring, blandest people ever to grace the planet as HMs well, it would take more than a BB1 format to reconcile that! |
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You really can't compare BB1 to BB3 - they were like two different programmes. BB3 was trash television, catering to the lowest common denominator. I don't mean that to sound patronising since I had a good laugh at it!
Surely that was the enjoyment of BB3 - watching a train wreck? BB4 was beaten on two counts. Lack of good contestants, but I personally think the lousy production had much more to do with it. |
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[quote]Originally posted by Vilt UK
I think Sunita found she wasn't as extravert as she thought and did lack a friend to talk to... Sunita - again i reckon it was coz she had expected BB3 to be more like the previous series in atmosphere. The clue lies in things she said: 1..... " i am not getting in that drawer. i'm a qualified barrister " 2..... " there is no one here that i particularly want to get to know better" (DR) 3..... "it was like a pantomime in there" (on BBLB after walking) 1> she doesnt want to take part in childish behavior - unseemly for her as an adult, and needlessly damaging to her professional image 2> she cannot, or does not want to, relate to any of the other housemates.... 3> because of the juvenile atmosphere and tone of the house set by them. (Similar comment here to Alex's "it's a circus" - so obviously both feel this same dislike about what BB3 was about). She came, she saw, she walked.... because it was not what she expected - when she saw it was turning out club18-30, she quit. Rather than coz she wasnt a sociable person i think. (after all her friends on BBLB said they know her as an outgoing type, plus she passed thru all the audition tests that should've weeded out overly introvert types). If the housemates had been different, probably she would have stayed. Sandy -well who knows-he seemed to think he should be the"Dean"of the place from day 1 but didn't seem to realise that Dean had earned respect over many weeks and had not just assumed it..Plus he probably missed his wife and was happy to go and was expecting to go on day15(everyone seemed to think to think he would go). He then said a flippant and unfortunate comment that blew things up and the divide and his companions finished him off. Sandy - similar reasons to Sunita i suppose. BB3 was not what he expected coz the atmosphere was dominated by immature childish housemates. He said " this is like a bad package holiday " ie. similar sentiment to Sunita's "pantomime" and Alex's "circus". And those housemates he couldnt stand were the 18-30 ringleaders. So when he was stuck with them and not nominated that week, he made up his mind to jump. Well, climb. Alex -well for whatever reason he chose to stir things up in that first week. i dont reckon he was the one stirring things up. Jonny started it surely ![]() If that bloke keeps doing that again I am going to deck him-where is an Adele when you need one its a Cameron ya need....
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You are certainly a big poster!
And seriousely testing my low attention span My only but main point is you cannot judge BB3 on some incidents in the first two weeks.Despite the editing there was still much quiet time then-it was not all club 18-30-it would have been more fun if it was(possibly) If Sandy and Sunita had stuck around like Alex and Kate during their various lows they would have found it would have changed and maybe to their liking. The rich/poor side was a very quiet and a very interesting time-one of my favourites-contrived yes but it really showed a lot of insights into individual character and behaviourI wish they use it for BB5 in some way.. Also BB2 had a lot of fun and games in the first 3 weeks or so. I stand to be corrected but I thought Alex was instigating a lot of the conflict in those first two weeks.I did not see very much of it then.I know jonny was irritating and did the pee thing but it was Alex who made it an issue to be nasty about it. (not particularly blaming Alex for that as I am sure it made great TV and was part of the reason why BB3 really took off-compare BB4 when only Jon was prepared tp speak his mind and he was such a nice sweet man by nature that no one really got angry with him.) |
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This thread has taken on a life of its own lol,
just a quick update(even though it seems like im the one off topic now ), i finally got Big Brother 4 Uncut on DVD, and i have to say it was a yawn a minute affair, as i sit here, i cant actually remember any of it, just a blur of images with characters i felt i didnt even know, even though i spent 3 months watching the buggers.
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Originally posted by TVDX Surely Jon and Ray came across OK?This thread has taken on a life of its own lol, just a quick update(even though it seems like im the one off topic now ), i finally got Big Brother 4 Uncut on DVD, and i have to say it was a yawn a minute affair, as i sit here, i cant actually remember any of it, just a blur of images with characters i felt i didnt even know, even though i spent 3 months watching the buggers.
Shame Tania was such a big girl-oh hold on that is what she is! Poor old Ray thought he was going to be in BB3 and found himself in BB1-wonder he did not walk.
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But he did - a lot.
Oh, sorry, you said walk
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), i finally got Big Brother 4 Uncut on DVD, and i have to say it was a yawn a minute affair, as i sit here, i cant actually remember any of it, just a blur of images with characters i felt i didnt even know, even though i spent 3 months watching the buggers.