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Why a group can't win.
Though i think this year has the best group so far in JLS I don't think they have much chance of winning. The main reason for this is that the themed weeks nearly always restrict what a group can sing. Most songs are wirtten for solo artists so to try to translate that into a 4-part harmony in a few days is almost impossible. That means unless you can find songs actually already arranged for a group, you'll never have a chance of winning the X Factor.
Its the only draw-back i can see with having the themed weeks as it does force everyone to try something different (lets face it Laura would sing Amy Winhouse and Duffy covers every week otherwise), but it does give a disadvantage to the groups. Shame really. |
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Though i think this year has the best group so far in JLS I don't think they have much chance of winning. The main reason for this is that the themed weeks nearly always restrict what a group can sing. Most songs are wirtten for solo artists so to try to translate that into a 4-part harmony in a few days is almost impossible. That means unless you can find songs actually already arranged for a group, you'll never have a chance of winning the X Factor.
Its the only draw-back i can see with having the themed weeks as it does force everyone to try something different (lets face it Laura would sing Amy Winhouse and Duffy covers every week otherwise), but it does give a disadvantage to the groups. Shame really. |
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The public also has a tendency to reject the large groups in favour of sibling duos if they are available (Macdonalds, Journey South, Same Difference). I think voters have difficulty "identifying with " or "getting to know" larger groups.
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The public also has a tendency to reject the large groups in favour of sibling duos if they are available (Macdonalds, Journey South, Same Difference). I think voters have difficulty "indetifying with " or "getting to know" larger groups.
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The public also has a tendency to reject the large groups in favour of sibling duos if they are available (Macdonalds, Journey South, Same Difference). I think voters have difficulty "indetifying with " or "getting to know" larger groups.
The other part of it is that unfortunately most established groups have had years of experience in polishing up their act often with a lot of money and expertise thrown at them where as the X Factor groups haven't - and it shows. |
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The public also has a tendency to reject the large groups in favour of sibling duos if they are available (Macdonalds, Journey South, Same Difference). I think voters have difficulty "indetifying with " or "getting to know" larger groups.
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The public are weird.
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The only group that has been successful in getting to the final was G4 & that was because Louis told them that they needed to push Jonathan forward as the lead. He tried to do the same with Eton Road. I agree re: musical arrangements & the groups have said that they also struggled with not having ear-pieces to maintain harmonies in such a loud studio. You have seen this problem so many times now. It was only due to G4 music training that they were able to do their arrangements in less than an hour (so they have subsequently said) & hold it together musically. This is all a bit much for many of the groups who just haven't got the knowledge/experience. I do think it is a much harder for the groups.
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Yeah I agree, bands tend not to do well in Xfactor. The Dolly Rockers in 2006 should have won I reckon. Check out their video, it's awesome and shows they have talent, no matter what the judges said!
http://www.break.com/usercontent/200...ly-579816.html |
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Yeah I agree, bands tend not to do well in Xfactor. The Dolly Rockers in 2006 should have won I reckon. Check out their video, it's awesome and shows they have talent, no matter what the judges said!
http://www.break.com/usercontent/200...ly-579816.html |
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The groups category has become a joke. The judges can't even find enough groups for the final "visit the mentor's flash pad" round; last year and this they have had to cobble together groups from solo entrants.
And they just can't manage them at all; this is one category where good styling and clever song choices ought to be able to overcome less than perfect vocals, but they never seem to get it right. I disagree that the song choices are limited; there are many good songs out there, they don't all have to be harmonized (they can take the singing in turn approach) and I actually think that group arrangements can be much more inventive than solo performances. I think they should drop this category. Unless they can find a mentor who can make it work. |
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Yeah I agree, bands tend not to do well in Xfactor. The Dolly Rockers in 2006 should have won I reckon. Check out their video, it's awesome and shows they have talent, no matter what the judges said!
http://www.break.com/usercontent/200...ly-579816.html |
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I think the bands this year are quite poor.
JLS are probably the best but I think they'll be out quite soon if they make the lives, Girlband, Desire & Bad Lashes are all quite similar, and Priority and 4 Instict are both awful. It doesn't look like it's going to be the year of the group. |
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The public also has a tendency to reject the large groups in favour of sibling duos if they are available (Macdonalds, Journey South, Same Difference). I think voters have difficulty "identifying with " or "getting to know" larger groups.
Honestly!
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Best band we ever had were Journey South. Jings...I even went to see them.
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Yeah I agree, bands tend not to do well in Xfactor. The Dolly Rockers in 2006 should have won I reckon. Check out their video, it's awesome and shows they have talent, no matter what the judges said!
http://www.break.com/usercontent/200...ly-579816.html |
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Though i think this year has the best group so far in JLS I don't think they have much chance of winning. The main reason for this is that the themed weeks nearly always restrict what a group can sing. Most songs are wirtten for solo artists so to try to translate that into a 4-part harmony in a few days is almost impossible. That means unless you can find songs actually already arranged for a group, you'll never have a chance of winning the X Factor.
Its the only draw-back i can see with having the themed weeks as it does force everyone to try something different (lets face it Laura would sing Amy Winhouse and Duffy covers every week otherwise), but it does give a disadvantage to the groups. Shame really. Ive heard 6 of her original songs- which sound nothing like winehouse or duffy, shes got her own style .
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The public also has a tendency to reject the large groups in favour of sibling duos if they are available (Macdonalds, Journey South, Same Difference). I think voters have difficulty "identifying with " or "getting to know" larger groups.
The public and relate and identify with groups 3 or more. |
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Groups had won X Factor in other countries, though. They would have had the same "song choice" problem. A group won the X-Factor in Australia, which is not the best example because X Factor didn't really do well there, but only a few months ago a group won the 1st season of Italian X Factor, and the show was a huge success there.
If you look at them and at some other groups that did well there and in Spain's X Factor (and also look back to G4) maybe there should be more variation in the style of the bands they accept. Like I Sette Cantanti from last year would have probably done well in those two countries, and maybe even in the UK. I feel like in the group category there's actually a lot more room to be creative and different and so far the X Factor in the UK is not taking advantage of it. You can see a lot of groups in other countries have a lot of originality, and as groups they have a lot more tools to stand out, which doesn't really happen here. They're not always even that good, but I'm giving some examples of them just so you can imagine what creativity and decent vocal ability can do. just think about the James Bond theme week rumor that is floating around - I'd love hearing girl bands or boy bands cover Bond songs. Here are some examples that I could find - again, not for everyone's taste, but when you compare this to, hhmmm, the MacDonald Brothers, well, you get the idea. Italy's winners, Aram Quartet - they actually had some really good soloists there, and I don't know if they were the best, but they stood out all the way through: Aram Quartet - Beatles Medley Aram Quartet - Bohemian Rhapsody Aram Quartet - The Logical Song Aram Quartet - Another Brick in the Wall Aram Quartet - Per Elisa (In Italian) Another group from Italy, "Sei Ottavi" - Sei Ottavi - Soundtrack medley - not one single word sung here, which is pretty interesting. Sei Ottavi - Volare Sei Ottavi - Spiderman And a couple from the Spanish version: From this year's show, just started last week, this group is currently my favorite to win it: Vocal Tempo singing Juanes And from last year: Sometimes - Smells Like Teen Spirit - the live version is painful, but the studio version is pretty awesome, wish I could a link to post. |
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What annoys me about the theme weeks is that theymake people sing songs that you would never make them sing if they were successful. By all means make them sing different kinds of songs but only ones that suit them.
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g4 should have won whichever year it was
they were amazing |
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Yeah I agree, bands tend not to do well in Xfactor. The Dolly Rockers in 2006 should have won I reckon. Check out their video, it's awesome and shows they have talent, no matter what the judges said!
http://www.break.com/usercontent/200...ly-579816.html
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What annoys me about the theme weeks is that theymake people sing songs that you would never make them sing if they were successful. By all means make them sing different kinds of songs but only ones that suit them.
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What annoys me about the theme weeks is that theymake people sing songs that you would never make them sing if they were successful. By all means make them sing different kinds of songs but only ones that suit them.
rhydian managed to pull off songs like "go west" and "get the party started" but he would never release songs like that and no one is gonna release abba covers either it's stupid having themed weeks |
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What annoys me about the theme weeks is that theymake people sing songs that you would never make them sing if they were successful. By all means make them sing different kinds of songs but only ones that suit them.
This whole concept thingy of finding someone different this year will not happen if the acts are still forced to sing songs they aren't suited to. This whole ' one trick pony' thing is ridiculous - many of the most successful artists are 'one trick ponies' it's what makes them unique. |
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