Slugs and snails are sold as pets. The giant African snail for example. So why is slug pellets sold in shops? Why is killing of slugs not considered cruel?
Why is it not illegal to poison slugs
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Because they are pests. Simple. It's not illegal to shoot pigeons, poison rats, trap rabbits, and we have had badger culls, and just about to have a squirrel cull. Life is cruel.
Originally Posted by MAW:
“Because they are pests. Simple. It's not illegal to shoot pigeons, poison rats, trap rabbits, and we have had badger culls, and just about to have a squirrel cull. Life is cruel.”
“Because they are pests. Simple. It's not illegal to shoot pigeons, poison rats, trap rabbits, and we have had badger culls, and just about to have a squirrel cull. Life is cruel.”
You've just walked into the OP's trap.
It is about now that he springs on us; "so why should it be frowned upon to poison pet cats with antifreeze? after all they are pests".
Isn't that right OP?
Originally Posted by jase1:
“You've just walked into the OP's trap.
It is about now that he springs on us; "so why should it be frowned upon to poison pet cats with antifreeze? after all they are pests".
Isn't that right OP?”
“You've just walked into the OP's trap.
It is about now that he springs on us; "so why should it be frowned upon to poison pet cats with antifreeze? after all they are pests".
Isn't that right OP?”
No i am not setting a trap here. I have been trying to find on the net which legislation makes it illegal to kills domestic pets, not just cats, even dogs/horses etc.
farmers can kill their horses
and if you flush a half dead goldfish is it illegal?
we bury our hamsters in the garden, have we ensured that they are clinically dead?
cats die from antifreeze but the antifreeze could have come from the owners garage.
Is it illegal to eat your own cat? after all a pet hen soon becomes the sunday roast
In answer to the question I do not believe it is illegal to kill pet animals as such. It is more the cruelty aspect (does antifreeze cause avoidable suffering) and destruction of property.
That said, the moral question comes into play. Hypothetically speaking, if you were to deliberately leave poison out, and one of my cats (who do not leave the garden and therefore are not a nuisance to anyone else) was to accidentally wander into your garden, drink it, and die, then hypothetically I'd come around and smash your face in.
That said, the moral question comes into play. Hypothetically speaking, if you were to deliberately leave poison out, and one of my cats (who do not leave the garden and therefore are not a nuisance to anyone else) was to accidentally wander into your garden, drink it, and die, then hypothetically I'd come around and smash your face in.
But cats dont accidentally wander. They have set walks at night that take them about 2 miles from their home and they follow their sent trails set the previous night. Cats have been shown to walk the same paths night after night, weeing at their markers and defecating in same spots (which always happen to be someone elses garden).
Some responsible owners dont alloow cats outside at night and lock the flaps.
If dog owners are expected to pick up the poo then cat owners get off very lightly imo
Some responsible owners dont alloow cats outside at night and lock the flaps.
If dog owners are expected to pick up the poo then cat owners get off very lightly imo
I agree with you about responsibility. What I was getting at though is that my cats (I am a responsible owner) do not leave the garden at all -- they are supervised when they are outside. If they do find themselves in another garden this is an accidental occurrence.
The one time this has happened was when we had someone around who left a window open all night downstairs without us knowing about it. One of the cats managed to squeeze out, but the space was clearly not enough for them to easily get back in. As a result, she was effectively locked out. She wandered a couple of doors down and was found the next day, terrified, in their shed.
I spent the next three months completely paranoid about making sure all windows were shut.
If you'd been one of the neighbours with the theory you sympathise with, she may have been dead right now.
Under those circumstances, I would have gone at the neighbour with a spade if I'd found out something like that had happened.
So beware if you do decide to put antifreeze down -- I would not blame a neighbour for one second if they engaged in a revenge attack.
The one time this has happened was when we had someone around who left a window open all night downstairs without us knowing about it. One of the cats managed to squeeze out, but the space was clearly not enough for them to easily get back in. As a result, she was effectively locked out. She wandered a couple of doors down and was found the next day, terrified, in their shed.
I spent the next three months completely paranoid about making sure all windows were shut.
If you'd been one of the neighbours with the theory you sympathise with, she may have been dead right now.
Under those circumstances, I would have gone at the neighbour with a spade if I'd found out something like that had happened.
So beware if you do decide to put antifreeze down -- I would not blame a neighbour for one second if they engaged in a revenge attack.
My next door neighbour has two cats, bloody things keep crapping all over my garden so much so my children are unable to play there anymore!
I can tell you i have considered drowning the bloody pests a couple of times!!
I can tell you i have considered drowning the bloody pests a couple of times!!
Originally Posted by jase1:
“I agree with you about responsibility. What I was getting at though is that my cats (I am a responsible owner) do not leave the garden at all -- they are supervised when they are outside. If they do find themselves in another garden this is an accidental occurrence.
The one time this has happened was when we had someone around who left a window open all night downstairs without us knowing about it. One of the cats managed to squeeze out, but the space was clearly not enough for them to easily get back in. As a result, she was effectively locked out. She wandered a couple of doors down and was found the next day, terrified, in their shed.
I spent the next three months completely paranoid about making sure all windows were shut.
If you'd been one of the neighbours with the theory you sympathise with, she may have been dead right now.
Under those circumstances, I would have gone at the neighbour with a spade if I'd found out something like that had happened.
So beware if you do decide to put antifreeze down -- I would not blame a neighbour for one second if they engaged in a revenge attack.”
“I agree with you about responsibility. What I was getting at though is that my cats (I am a responsible owner) do not leave the garden at all -- they are supervised when they are outside. If they do find themselves in another garden this is an accidental occurrence.
The one time this has happened was when we had someone around who left a window open all night downstairs without us knowing about it. One of the cats managed to squeeze out, but the space was clearly not enough for them to easily get back in. As a result, she was effectively locked out. She wandered a couple of doors down and was found the next day, terrified, in their shed.
I spent the next three months completely paranoid about making sure all windows were shut.
If you'd been one of the neighbours with the theory you sympathise with, she may have been dead right now.
Under those circumstances, I would have gone at the neighbour with a spade if I'd found out something like that had happened.
So beware if you do decide to put antifreeze down -- I would not blame a neighbour for one second if they engaged in a revenge attack.”
good for you that you arevkeeping your cat in check. However in the hypothetical situation where any cat is killed by poisoning how does the owner know it is the neighbour who did it. It could be a disgruntled person half a mile down the road in the next village. do you think people keep saucerful antifreeze in the garden with a sign drink me its antifreeze. you are propogating an action of violence against a neighbour with minimal evidence and anyone doing this should be thrown into prison with their cat and all.
the common method of antifreeze death is antifreeze spilled onto the garage floor or the driveway. cats walk over the spilt liquid and lick their paws and that little is enough to cause severe damage to teh cat.
I don't think it's illegal to kill your pet. I know people that have shot their dog if it was suffering. Why pay a vet if it can be done just as quickly and humanly yourself, this happens a lot with working/farm dogs.
As far as I know the law protects pets against cruelty and suffering, so shooting your dog in the head with a gun that will instantly kill it is fine, putting some puppies in a sack with a brick and throwing them in the local canal is however illegal.
As far as I know the law protects pets against cruelty and suffering, so shooting your dog in the head with a gun that will instantly kill it is fine, putting some puppies in a sack with a brick and throwing them in the local canal is however illegal.
Originally Posted by tomharry2:
“If dog owners are expected to pick up the poo then cat owners get off very lightly imo”
“If dog owners are expected to pick up the poo then cat owners get off very lightly imo”
I was under the impression that the reason for that is that dogs should not be allowed out without the owner (or somebody) present to keep an eye on them/restrain them if neccesary. As it's impossible (usually) to "walk" Tiddles, the owners won't know everywhere s/he messes.
Originally Posted by tomharry2:
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the common method of antifreeze death is antifreeze spilled onto the garage floor or the driveway. cats walk over the spilt liquid and lick their paws and that little is enough to cause severe damage to teh cat.”
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the common method of antifreeze death is antifreeze spilled onto the garage floor or the driveway. cats walk over the spilt liquid and lick their paws and that little is enough to cause severe damage to teh cat.”
You seem to know a lot about poisoning pets and you like to talk about a lot it too-very disturbing.
He should just start a 'I hate cats and would poison them if I could' thread and be done with it.
I think you also need to check your legal facts, cats aren't a pest, your ongoing referring to them as such shows you up as the ignorant minded indivdual you sound from your posts.
Maybe you should go hang around in the we dont like cats thread and spare us your views.
I think you also need to check your legal facts, cats aren't a pest, your ongoing referring to them as such shows you up as the ignorant minded indivdual you sound from your posts.
Maybe you should go hang around in the we dont like cats thread and spare us your views.
Originally Posted by jase1:
“You've just walked into the OP's trap.
It is about now that he springs on us; "so why should it be frowned upon to poison pet cats with antifreeze? after all they are pests".
Isn't that right OP?”
“You've just walked into the OP's trap.
It is about now that he springs on us; "so why should it be frowned upon to poison pet cats with antifreeze? after all they are pests".
Isn't that right OP?”
Random!
OT- I think the thing with slugs is that some see them as pets. They also leave slime everywhere and seem to come out of nowhere when it rains.
They are also bag for gardens.
what IS the purpose of slugs?
Originally Posted by kingjeremy:
“He should just start a 'I hate cats and would poison them if I could' thread and be done with it.
I think you also need to check your legal facts, cats aren't a pest, your ongoing referring to them as such shows you up as the ignorant minded indivdual you sound from your posts.
Maybe you should go hang around in the we dont like cats thread and spare us your views.”
“He should just start a 'I hate cats and would poison them if I could' thread and be done with it.
I think you also need to check your legal facts, cats aren't a pest, your ongoing referring to them as such shows you up as the ignorant minded indivdual you sound from your posts.
Maybe you should go hang around in the we dont like cats thread and spare us your views.”
1. Its a thread for people who dont like cats, not those who wish to kill them
2. Its a cat thread, not a slug thread so your suggestion would be advocating others taking a thread off topic
3. Please accept that some people dont like cats, just like some dont like dogs and some dont like horses. Its not a crime.
Gawd, I hate slugs. Don't mind snails but slugs? Ugh!
We have loads of snails that hang around the rabbit hutch and the occasional slug when it's been raining... I flicked it across the garden to get rid of it with garden plier things
Yuck.
We have loads of snails that hang around the rabbit hutch and the occasional slug when it's been raining... I flicked it across the garden to get rid of it with garden plier things
Yuck.
Originally Posted by PingMyPong:
“Random!”
“Random!”
READ his other posts.
This is the same person who was indeed sympathising with people who put out antifreeze for errant cats.
I sort of agree with the OP, I keep tropical snails and slugs as pets, and would never use any sort of repellent that would kill them in my garden, though I can understand why some people would if wanting to protect their garden. Killing invertebrates (as long as they arent a protected species) in any manner isnt illegal though I dont think?, its legal to feed any animal without a backbone to another animal (crickets, locusts, cockroaches) etc.. as far as I know though causing unnessasary suffering to any vertebrate animal (mammals, fish, birds) is illegal.
Originally Posted by O'Neill:
“Killing invertebrates (as long as they arent a protected species) in any manner isnt illegal though I dont think?, its legal to feed any animal without a backbone to another animal (crickets, locusts, cockroaches) etc.. as far as I know though causing unnessasary suffering to any vertebrate animal (mammals, fish, birds) is illegal.”
“Killing invertebrates (as long as they arent a protected species) in any manner isnt illegal though I dont think?, its legal to feed any animal without a backbone to another animal (crickets, locusts, cockroaches) etc.. as far as I know though causing unnessasary suffering to any vertebrate animal (mammals, fish, birds) is illegal.”
You've used weasel words there though.
1) It's legal to feed many vertebrates to another animal (mice, fish etc). Indeed don't some spider (invertebrate species) owners feed mice (vertebrate species) to their pets?
2) I'm sure that causing unnecessary suffering to an invertebrate is also illegal.
I do take on board what you are saying though. Many children (boys mostly it has to be said -- I've done it myself in my youth) pulled wings off flies and the like. It's not something I'm particularly proud of now. If, however, I'd done the same thing to a mouse, the chances are there would have been legal repercussions. There is hypocrisy in that.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ES50zZnCR34
There you go, invertebrates revenge.
(* this video might offend some viewers. It's just nature at work, but pleasant it ain't).
There you go, invertebrates revenge.
(* this video might offend some viewers. It's just nature at work, but pleasant it ain't).
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