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Old 04-10-2008, 21:50
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Well after tonight, here's who I think the judges have selected

BOYS
Eoghan Quigg
Austin Drage
Alan Turner (I think the "liar" has convinced Simon)

Eoghan Quigg I'd like that but I don't think that it will happen. Simon doesn't think he is ready and wants strong acts that he can win with as it's all about Simon trying to win it for himself.

Austin Drage
Alan Turner
Oh god! The worst two in the show. I hop not!
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Old 04-10-2008, 21:51
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No! I don't HAVE TO DO ANYTHING!

It's my comments and I will stick by them and NOT be bullied by a bunch of obsessives thanks!

Too much of this goes on here with little groups of bullies going around and attacking anyone who so much as dislikes the object of their lives.

So thanks (sincerely) but I will not be bullied into changing, altering or adjusting my opinion to suit anyone.

So we will have to agree to disagree.
Why do you keep throwing the 'bully' word around? It's undermining a serious issue. This a forum. We're discussing a talent show. Let's get things into perspective.
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Old 04-10-2008, 21:52
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OK, no need to be "vicious" or take comments literally. It's a figure of speech, or a form of colloquial language. Jeez. Why is it that people can not act or talk how they normally do in real life?



How am I bullying you? I was simply trying to be fair and just come into the situation, seeing as you were angry and acting quite irrationally, and you did imply that "Leona fans" are being obssessive and bullies, etc... I don't think that is neccesarily true.

I'll leave now, because I know don't want to be accused of something that I'm not, whilst trying to be nice.
Trying to be nice and straight in with telling me what it was that I must expect?

And you now talk of me accusing YOU of something?
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Old 04-10-2008, 21:54
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Why do you keep throwing the 'bully' word around? It's undermining a serious issue. This a forum. We're discussing a talent show. Let's get things into perspective.
Oh boy! How did I know that you couldn't keep out of others arguments.



Why do you keep interfering in other's businesses?

As that has been what you have been following me around doing. (Mods please check this FACT)

Doing that is a form of bullying and that is what you have been doing. Just check your posting history.
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Old 04-10-2008, 21:57
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Watching Xtra Factor, Ruth sounded really good on her second song too, but it was all in Spanish (that they showed anyway) - hope it doesn't count against her, if people think it's a gimmick (doing a dual language song).

Rachel's other song sounded better and didn't miss any of it - interesting that they showed the poor performance on the main show!
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:00
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Watching Xtra Factor, Ruth sounded really good on her second song too, but it was all in Spanish (that they showed anyway) - hope it doesn't count against her, if people think it's a gimmick (doing a dual language song).

Rachel's other song sounded better and didn't miss any of it - interesting that they showed the poor performance on the main show!
Yes I agree with you, how many times can she pull the dual language stunt? I think once was OK but she has pulled it one too many times now.

To do it again would be very wrong, but then she has lost that gimmick.
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:00
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Agree about Ruth. She seems to have come out of nowhere. That performance was beautiful.
She's becoming one of my favourites and I only noticed her last week. I had to laugh though, the producers just seem to have woken up to the Spanish thing and are laying it on a bit thick. She was talking about not being accepted because she is Spanish? Because the Spanish have such a history of persecution in Britain, eh?

No! I don't HAVE TO DO ANYTHING!

It's my comments and I will stick by them and NOT be bullied by a bunch of obsessives thanks!

Too much of this goes on here with little groups of bullies going around and attacking anyone who so much as dislikes the object of their lives.

So thanks (sincerely) but I will not be bullied into changing, altering or adjusting my opinion to suit anyone.

So we will have to agree to disagree.
You don't have to do anything, but I do suggest that you calm down just a little bit. (And I'm suggesting this in the nicest possible way of course, I wouldn't want you to be worried about me stealing your lunch money.)

I don't think anyone is asking you to change your opinions. Just keep them to appropriate threads and avoid making sweeping generalisations.
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:02
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Trying to be nice and straight in with telling me what it was that I must expect?

And you now talk of me accusing YOU of something?
It's things like the constant CAPITALS on monosyballic common words that make you sound more like a bully than the group of people you are calling bullies.

I like Leona, and I think that the comment you said was targetted to people who like her, and accused them of being bullies, obssessive etc... and that isn't the case. It is a sweeping generalisition because I don't bully, never have, never will. And it is comments like this that do make my blood boil. And before you might go on to say that I'm only saying this because I like Leona, that would be bullcrap because I'm not that biased. Even if I didn't like Leona, I would still try and ask you to understand where other people, who have done nothing wrong whatsoever, are angry with your comments.

That is all. And I was trying to be nice, using simple and non-offensive language and talk used in everyday life. For good purposes.
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:03
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Oh boy! How did I know that you couldn't keep out of others argument.

I disagreed with your use of that word. If you don't want other people to get involved in your argument then take your argument to PM, because this is a public thread to discuss the show and your argument is currently dominating it.

Why do you keep interfering in other's business?
I was picking up on your use of that word. I'm not interfering in whatever else you're 'discussing'. But nevertheless, my point above still stands.

As that has been what you have been following me around doing. (Mods please check this FACT)
I certainly have not been following you around. I have a life. I don't waste my hours away by stalking posters on an internet forum. It's just a coincidence that *shock, horror* I'm an X Factor viewer (Mods can also check that because I've been discussing the show ever since I joined) and happened to want to discuss the show. It's not my fault that you were having an argument in the middle of a thread dedicated to it.

Doing that is a form of bullying and that is what you have been doing. Just check your posting history.
Check my posting history? I've picked up on your posting habits once because it's been hard to escape from. I have never bullied you. I don't follow you around the forum. And in fact, I will now end this discussion and will make sure I have no further dealings with you because it's clearly not worth my time or energy.
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:03
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You don't have to do anything, but I do suggest that you calm down just a little bit. (And I'm suggesting this in the nicest possible way of course, I wouldn't want you to be worried about me stealing your lunch money.)

I don't think anyone is asking you to change your opinions. Just keep them to appropriate threads and avoid making sweeping generalisations.
No, no on one will be telling me anything. If I wish to comment on Leona I will do so. Endof.

(Check back on this very thread as to how many people posted the word LEONA especially when Alex was on and you ONLY attacked me and are trying to tell me that posting about LEONA is wrong here. Seems it's only OK when it's in favour of her yet post one negative and you single that poster out and attack. It's all in this thread for anyone to check the facts.)
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:10
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No, no on one will be telling me anything. If I wish to comment on Leona I will do so. Endof.

(Check back on this very thread as to how many people posted the word LEONA especially when Alex was on and you ONLY attacked me and are trying to tell me that posting about LEONA is wrong here. Seems it's only wrong when it's not in favour of her yet post one negative and you single that poster out and attack. It's all in this thread for anyone to check the facts.)
Post about Leona if you wish, that's not a problem... just don't make assumptions about her supporters or the so-called 'obsessives' you speak of... that is a form of personal attack and is not tolerated by mods as far as I know
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:13
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No, no on one will be telling me anything. If I wish to comment on Leona I will do so. Endof.
"Endof"

Is this the Big Brother house?!

I think this will be my last post here, because my head is starting to hurt from being banged against this brick wall.

If we all just made random digs at each other in any thread, then the forum wouldn't work properly. There are rules on these kinds of things which I'm sure you can read about. Alternatively, you can continue the current scattergun approach and bring her up in the politics or pets forums.
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:15
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Post about Leona if you wish, that's not a problem... just don't make assumptions about her supporters or the so-called 'obsessives' you speak of... that is a form of personal attack and is not tolerated by mods as far as I know
But why have you not commented on others personal attacks against me on this very thread?

Why are you one sided and unable to see anything you don't want to?

What you have posted is so one sided, it's baiting and goading. So you see, you are now just as gulity as anyone.
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:17
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But why have you not commented on others personal attacks against me on this very thread?

Why are you one sided and unable to see anything you don't want to?

What you have posted is so one sided, it's baiting and goading. So you see, you are now just as gulity as anyone.
Well not really, because that all depends on whether that person, or others, have actually seen the personal attacks in this thread. I haven't seen them in here, however, that doesn't mean I don't think there hasn't been. Was my first response to you an attack?
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:21
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"Endof"

Is this the Big Brother house?!

I think this will be my last post here, because my head is starting to hurt from being banged against this brick wall.

If we all just made random digs at each other in any thread, then the forum wouldn't work properly. There are rules on these kinds of things which I'm sure you can read about. Alternatively, you can continue the current scattergun approach and bring her up in the politics or pets forums.
But that is what you did. - loads mentioned Leona yet you only singled me out to personally attack as I just happened not to be singing her praises.

So FACT you do go around attacking anyone who dares to post any negative comment about Leona.

"There are rules on these kinds of things which I'm sure you can read about."

Yes and rules about this as well -

"Alternatively, you can continue the current scattergun approach and bring her up in the politics or pets forums"

Why are only YOU allowed to attack other posters and no one else? That would be a bully!
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:24
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If saying Leona supporters live in a 'boring one-track world' isn't a personal attack then I'm not sure what one is... you made that comment first and without cause or motivation so I'm not 'baiting or goading' I'm simply stating it as I see it...

You'll also notice that I did say your comment was uncalled for in an earlier post which you chose to ignore so I'm not just now entering the argument...

I think Alex has a different voice and tone to Leona and wouldn't even compare the two except that I think they both deserve to win The X-factor based on their superb vocal range and talent
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:26
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Well not really, because that all depends on whether that person, or others, have actually seen the personal attacks in this thread. I haven't seen them in here, however, that doesn't mean I don't think there hasn't been. Was my first response to you an attack?
You had already decided who was at fault and was posting to tell me what was what and so posting accusations.

Yet now you say that you haven't even read they relevant points.

This is now over and closed. I'm no wasting a Saturday arguing with posters who don't even know what they attacking someone for as they admit they haven't even read the relevant posts.

Good night.
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:33
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You had already decided who was at fault and was posting to tell me what was what and so posting accusations.

Yet now you say that you haven't even read they relevant points.

This is now over and closed. I'm no wasting a Saturday arguing with posters who don't even know what they attacking someone for as they admit they haven't even read the relevant posts.

Good night.
Actually, my point had nothing to do with the other points of you being attacked because I wasn't referring to it. When I clicked onto the thread on an occasion, I saw the post that I responded to. Don't accuse of attacking you. Just because someone disagrees with you and tries to be considerate, doesn't mean I'm attacking. If I had known or seen the nasty comments made to you before the post I first quotes, then maybe I would have responded a bit better. But the point is, just because some people have been nasty, doesn't mean they all are, so support Leona.
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:34
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She's becoming one of my favourites and I only noticed her last week. I had to laugh though, the producers just seem to have woken up to the Spanish thing and are laying it on a bit thick. She was talking about not being accepted because she is Spanish? Because the Spanish have such a history of persecution in Britain, eh?
I'm going to go on a limb here and suggest that her issue is not so much being from Spain, but more of not being British.

Luckily for Ruth, she might not be British, but she comes from a place that will be easier for people to warm up to, since there are a lot of well known Spanish speaking acts out there and people have more of an idea about Spain.

(if that makes any sense. I swear it did in my mind, but my mind is currently suffering from flu and fever, so pardon moi if I'm over blabbering tonight).
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:40
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At the moment my top 3 are: Diana, Alexandra and Laura! So i think i'll be on "team Cheryl"
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Old 05-10-2008, 23:09
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Despite going awry at one point I thought Alex was very good! Couldnt work out what her song was at first though.
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Old 06-10-2008, 00:06
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Despite going awry at one point I thought Alex was very good! Couldnt work out what her song was at first though.
What was it?
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Old 06-10-2008, 22:24
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It wasnt Chasing Pavements by Adele was it? I maybe thinking of the song she sang on ITV2...
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Old 06-10-2008, 22:35
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It wasnt Chasing Pavements by Adele was it? I maybe thinking of the song she sang on ITV2...
No, I would have recognized that.
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Old 06-10-2008, 22:37
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