No I don't, actually I'm English, but I find it shameful how some people 'blame' the Scottish people for things they don't agree with. Leon deserved to win. He had the most votes from all over Britain. Full stop.

Actually I never meant any offense with that but reading it back it does sound rude. That I meant was that they are very patrotic. So I do think that's who his bulk of votes came from. Of course he got votes from other parts of the UK too.

But I think the Scottish vote is an important one as proved by those two brothers a few years back.

And I am actually a Leon fan. I wasn't slagging him off.

I appreciate you give people benefit of the doubt. It's an admirable quality. However, sometimes the facts speak for themselves ; Unemployed, substance abuse, prison sentence, teenage mother and children in care. I don't think X Factor is the place for Rachel and the whole experience will do her more harm than good.

I dont like or dislike her at the moment, I think she has a good singing voice although I would like to hear her sing in soft mode and not just belting at full tilt

as for respecting her, NO I dont, at the moment I see nothing to respect

from what I gather she has had 5 children since the age of 13 so I can only think that she has never worked or IMO taken any responsability for her actions in life

yes she may have kicked her habit and only time will tell if it stays that way

I agree. She peaked in her audition for me. It's been downhill since then.

Did Rachel wake up on her 12th birthday and think, oh I know what path I'm going to take in life, I'm going to start having sex with different men, have lots of babies, get involved with drugs and go to prison?

Do any of us know her background before the age of 12? If she didn't have an attitude or a mouth on her she would most likely be dead by now - she probably did what she had to in order to survive. She is still young and wants to make a life for herself and her children using a talent that she has - she is not going to be perfect, she is going to mouth off because that's how she has lived her life but at least she has taken the initiative to do something and all she gets on her is criticised for it and we hear all those 'leopards don't change their spots' and 'once a druggie criminal always a druggie criminal' platitudes.

Maybe she won't make it but give the girl a chance.

Sorry, your post is too long and I really can't be bothered to answer it...

Aside from the many things she did by her own admission...(and isnt being judged for by most, though that is the usual thing people say to distract from the problems many have with her)

... and aside from the way she chose to live off the system for years even when capeable of working to support herself/the kids she has(at least the 2 that she had when old enough to know better/chose not to further burden society by having more kids then not working hard to support that choice) AND CONTINUES THIS SELFISH EXPLOITIVE LIFESTYLE at everyone elses expense, using the system/all of us weather we like it or not to fund her lifestyle/choice of chasing reality fame while she is used for ratings by x factor....



well, aside from thos things, her sloppy, poorly thought out and musically clueless attempt to change Chasing Cars comes to mind.

Oh-and her tight-toned, slightly off pitch rendition of Beautiful,in which she proved how much she is willing to work instead of expecting this chance to be handed to her like her rent or a free makeover by not even learning the words/full melody, then trying to use nerves as an excuse....That was pretty bad, too.

I dont hold her past against her, although I do feel sympathy for her victims and kids.
I dont judge her for the drugs, or using the assistance to preumably get her life stable. But she has plenty of time, and has no justifiable excuse now. GET A JOB, if it makes life much harder for you, tough, you need to stop making it harder for everyone by burdening them with the aftermath and expense of your choices.

She is a good singer who is not as good as many others and not even the best in this season. Regardless, she messed up half of her performances so far. Not my definition of one of the best to ever hit the x factor stage, but I guess that works for some people.

You asked what she did that was so bad....

I actually think the producers choices are most to blame/whats really messed up. They are the ones who decided to put someone with just enough ability to not be an outrage in the lower half of top12 who is this kind of person through for ratings, and it sends a crap message when they hold her up as an example of turning life around. So far, all she has dont is TALK about being 'given' this chance.
Thing is, she has gotten media exposure now. She will be able to make a living off the hype alone if she is willing to (Oh, Noez!) work for it.Maybe not mass fame, but that better life she TALKS about is already in reach .She needs to shut up about how if she doesnt 'win' her chance is lost. The 'chance' is there and has worked for past xfactor top12 s.Weather she will work to get it is another matter.

Lurking 'anonymous viewers payed to be here' y'all got it soooo wrong this time

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i dont care about her past wot i do care about is her attitude

it stinks and she needs to grow up

Nothing. Rachel to win

Doesnt your past help define you as a person?

X-Factor is about more than someones ability to sing and this is where Rachel will fall down as there is obviously something about her that people dislike.

I think she has the ability to really make the live shows interesting............................maybe for the wrong reasons though

This thread is hysterical.. as the OP can't even post in English, it's no wonder they're supporting the neanderthal smackhead is it??? LOL!!!!!

ok so im not going to rise to your bait, so thank you for your contribution (if you can call it that) to the thread..more for attacking the OP than attacking rachel - stylish!

Im sure some fu#kwit will grow some e-cojones soon and say its because she exists. This forum is truly embarrassing IMO. I wonder the frame of mind of some posters, i really do. As the say ignorance is bliss.

rebell I agree with ya sweet, welcome to xfactor digital spy forums!!!

Those remarks are always, always offensive. They are to me.

What has Rachel done that is so bad?

Open your eyes for once for Christ sake.

She's even smoking cannabis NOW and disrespecting Ruth by smoking in front of her

And No I have never taken any form of illegal drugs

I didnt realise we were supposed to be attacking Rachel, I thought we were supposed to be answering your question.

Well after Saturday I suspect it will all be immaterial.

How about I ask you a question Amy86 - someone else posted that she peaked in her first audition and since then she has struggled. Is this a fair assessment

I know i have had a few harsh words for rachel, and i stand by the fact that what we have been shown is that her attitude stinks. However (and i hope people get what i mean) i feel a lot of reality tv (big brother especially) goes all out each series to have the token black villain. I am begining to think this is happening here - rachel is getting the most publicity (usually fed by the x factor OR at least they have the power to get the media to bury it) but all the publicity seems to be more or less negaqtive.

And one think i detest is the exploitation of somebodies race.

Ehm, more votes than the others?

Really Beer, I would have thought that the bitterness may have calmed down by now Or are you building it up to get ready for the album release???

As to Rachel, yes she is trying to turn her life around, and good on her for that, but her past will always haunt her, no matter how good she may be. I am not totally convinced that she may be able to cope with the level of pressure she will be under. I hope she will but.....

I think there was a lot of foul play involved up towards the end because he has been the most disliked winner ever.

In regards of Rhydian/Rachel - it's a tough one because Rhydian was made to be bad and so is Rachel and like a few of us we're saying here earlier, the show is very shallow and Jeremy Kyle like so if they make a pantomime villain they'll stick by it.

They will push Rachel's buttons.

It's not bitter. In fact the win is being discussed at a couple of Universities as part of audience manipulation to gain a winner after the press were shocked somebody who lacked the credentials to win - won.

We're commenting on things far more than "more votes than others" here which is about media manipulation of viewers and over influencing with melodrama and storyboards for individuals and using nationality as an excuse for people to vote in a competition. All very much covered in media studies at a very low level and also in a society that is media savvy - almost common knowledge.

People don't like him and I think it is difficult for people to understand that he is not liked because many are influenced by TV to the point of applying objectivity in a scenario where somebody is disliked by the media and created a shock outcome. So many people spoke out against the win. Proffessionals in the media and also all across the internet but this is ignored on the basis of "we won" - but as stated above, that is not what is being discussed by myself and Official Diva, where the clear and obvious nature of audience manipulation by Reality TV is being discussed.

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Beer - I am not ignoring your response but don't want to hijack the thread. Some interesting points, though I would not necessarily agree with them all.