Coming across a tad aggressive there Amy. I may not like her but I'm open minded and if I honestly think I've been wrong I will admit it...I don't think I am so far.

Please read my other posts to see that I'm have been fair to Rachel. I may not like her but I believe Simon Cowell is hanging her out to dry.

If people brought up my past drug and sexual experiences as a means of insult I'd hate myself. I feel sorry for the girl.

I agree OP

Why?
Because ppl always look for the achilles heel hoping it will disfocus the person.

I agree with you OP, Rachel did wrong, but that was in the past, I don't care that she took drugs, I can at the fact this women has amazing voice/Talent and can sing. Yes she has a gob on her, and sometimes she needs to think before she speaks, but I like her, she isn't an evil, nasty moster, she is just a young women trying to have a better life for herself and her kids. I can't believe how judgemental some people can be, none is perfect. and I wont jump on this "Let's hate Rachel bandwagon" I really don't understand the dislike for this women, like I said she does have a gob on her, but I suppose she has had to be gobby, either way this women has talent, and Simon would agree, and this man knows his stuff

I think you may have missed out the mugging and burgalry.

I agree it's in her past .. but I think that the reason her past is being thrown in her face all the time is that it's thrown in our faces all the time whenever she's on the TV. Not entirely her fault as the programme is obviously using her back story to provide publicity for the show and to make the show more interesting, but she doesn't seem to be protesting much about bringing it up.

If it's going to be mentioned on the show and if she's contributing to it by mentioning it herself then it's fair game to be brought up on discussion forums and people are bound to be bringing it up and talking about it.

I'm quite appalled by some of the comments and attitudes on here to be honest.

Why would you hate yourself? It's their problem.

Rachels past is not being thrown in her face all the time by most. If anything, her supporters are bringing her past up continually to try to distract from the real problems people have with her.

Forget the past for a moment, and consider the current situation.

Rachel has custody of 2 kids and there are 3 more who exist because of her. She was old enough to know her choices when she had the last 2, and to be responsible. She wasnt. Not judging, but...NOW, she is CHOOSING to live off assistance/all of us weather we like it or not. She is choosing to get free rent/expenses/child care, etc...if sher can go to auditions, she can get a JOB or 3. If that makes chasing fame harder or means she has less time/money than she does as a leech on society, tough. She may have been incapeable of working /being responsible before, and if so, not judging. But now? Get a job, support the kids you made, and then what you do wont be a problem to those who resent ya right now.

AS far as her whinging that if she doesnt get far opr 'win' her chance is 'over', that screams entitlement/gimme! She has had media exposure and, if she got booted today, could easily get an agent and make a living. Butr to do that would require work, and it wouldnt be handed to her. But, the chance is there. She probably knows it, too, but wants it handed to her lik ea rent payment or spending money or a free makeover.
As far as her voice, it is good, not the best this season, but good enough to not be ridiculous in the top 12. BUT-what she does with that voice(forgetting words, sloppy poorly thought out rendition of Chasing Cars) is an insult to the people giving her the chance, and to all the equally good singers who work hard to not mess up and who arent a drain on society by their own selfish choosing.

So quit bringing up her past, because those of us who resent her are far more concerned about the message the show is sending by using her for ratings than about the past and so-called-being-judgemental being thrown up to distract from the real issues people have.

It's hard to forget the past when you keep posting the same things on multiple threads about Rachel.

My thoughts exactly.

Its also hard to forget when some of you keep asking the same questions .
I admit, I want to see her gone, for reasons I have already stated.Mostly because of the 'its okay to expect everything to be handed to you, even at the unwilling expense of others'message having someone like her on the show sends to some people.

However, thanks for adding 'criticise the person posting an opinion same as you are' to the list of examples of tactics used to distract from the reasons people have a problem with Rachel.

Why start another thread on this? How many do we need about the same old boring subject?
If you want people to stop talking about her past then how about you stop posting about it?! Some of the Rachel fans are getting ridiculous now.

Oh, so that makes it alright then... silly me!

It is very easy to sit back and judge and say get a job have you ever once stopped to think that it is not as easy as you say.
It is obvious from Rachel's background she has limited education, she is also an ex offender both of these things mean the only likely prospects she has is minimum wage jobs which when you factor in the cost of child care and rent relief she would be most likely be in a far worse financial situation and thus unlikely to be able to support her family. Unfortunately thats the way the system works.

gingeruk i didnt say it was right did i but its true!

Because it is a distraction /denial tactic. Start a new thread, and avoid having to reply relevantly to the reasons people give for not being pleased to see someone like rachel on the show /for having a problem with her

Tiger, I know more about overcoming a rough past than you might think, and have seen people from truly horrendous backgrounds turn their lives around within and outside of music...but that isnt the issue here. The issue is Rachel. Now.And I have stuck to the info given, not judged her past or whatever.

As for get a job, that isnt judging, that is more like a plea to please stop being one of the burdens on society that make it tougher for the rest of us, (including those who truly cannot work or need help for them/their families) when she is obviously capeable enough if she can do what she is currently doing.

ST, people have repsonded to you time and time again. What do you want from people? For us all to say, 'Yeah, you're right...'??

Well, it's plain that some people agree with you and some don't. But you keep cropping up with mahooosive posts that just seem so 'intense' sometimes.

It just seems odd, the degree to which you go on and on about Rachel. In a very intense way.

its one of these im right and your wrong posts with her obviously, she repeats herself over and over and over 'yawn' still dont know where she is coming from

I Can't Singy Thing, you do have it in for Rachel, don't you?

Move on. You don't like her. Others do. The past is THE PAST!

Frankly, because people like her make me angry,(present choices, not her past) and so does the society that enables them to exploit.
And no, people didnt address many of the things I have said. But that is fine. I dont expect to be agreed with all the time, but I admit, some popular opinions sadden me.
YOu all repeat yourselves. So do I. It happens.
Anyway, I have kept it to rellevant threads , and info available, and have stayed out of the appreciation thread, so dont be too harsh on me.

Sorry but from where I am sitting you are clearly judging Rachel about whether she works or lives off the state. If as you suggest Rachel gets three jobs which on minimum wage she would realistically have to work a minimum of 40 hrs a week (which probably wouldn't cover the cost of her childcare let alone anything else) when does she actually get to see her children?

The system in this country is set up in such a way that those of limited education and earning ability are the most penalised and thus many people choose to not work as they cannot afford it, it may not be right but sometimes it is the only option.

[quote=Amy86;27958108]OP i agree with you this forum sucks, anyone would think these people have never heard of drugs or kids being taken into care it happens on a day to day basis![/QUOTE]

Sadly it does happen on a daily basis and its devestating for the vast majority of them. Some people foster and/or adopt these children and try to undo the damage. I have no idea what happened to her older children or where they are now, but I do know that some children I have been acquainted with would be struggling with the prospect of seeing their birth mother all over the papers and the tv.

Please, please do not be so dismissive about the enormity of a child going into care and the aftermath it creates.

I am not for one moment saying she shouldn't be doing this, but I hope for her sake she is doing it for the right reasons and doesn't think this will create a fairytale ending and undo the damage she caused earlier, because it probably won't.

I think that loads of people have answered with very relevant arguments, but you chose to discard them. I personally don't agree with any of your arguments and I could answer to each on turn, but honestly, there is no point