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Cat Killer Sentenced
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LAW ENFORCEMENT
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by patosmissus:
“So by your logic murderers should be let off?

After all, humans die up and down the country day after day. "No big deal, it's a part of life." ”

Where did he say the cat killer should be let off?

He didn't.
good shepherd
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by patosmissus:
“So by your logic murderers should be let off?

After all, humans die up and down the country day after day. "No big deal, it's a part of life." ”

No.
I never said that he should be let off.

Your analogy is also flawed.
Humans are not killed up and down the country day after day, and even if we to imagine they were (lets pretend we read the Daily Mail), it would be illegal. The situation is not the same animals, they are killed legally.
amielouise
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“No.

He should have been punished, and indeed he was (in my view too harshly). There is an element of (probably childless housebounds) posters who are reacting as if it was a child and not a cat”

That's awful. Cat's are people's family members, regardless of whether they are human or not.

I'm not housebound by the way.
good shepherd
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by amielouise:
“That's awful. Cat's are people's family members, regardless of whether they are human or not. ”

(cough)

No they are not.
good shepherd
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by cosmo:
“How would you feel if it were a sheep?”

Very good.
amielouise
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“(cough)

No they are not.”

Your opinion.

My house certainly wouldn't be the same without our cats, so they are like family members. I'd rather him steal my car than kill my cats, for which he'd probably get a longer sentence.
LAW ENFORCEMENT
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by amielouise:
“That's awful. Cat's are people's family members, regardless of whether they are human or not.

I'm not housebound by the way.”

HOLY SHIT!

I think you need to read the definition of a family!

Unless someone in your family has been having it away with a cat!?!?
Hathor
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“No.

He should have been punished, and indeed he was (in my view too harshly). There is an element of (probably childless housebounds) posters who are reacting as if it was a child and not a cat”

Nobody is acting as if it were a child. Child killers get many years in jail, This guy got a few months. Proportional to the crime.
LAW ENFORCEMENT
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by amielouise:
“Your opinion.

My house certainly wouldn't be the same without our cats, so they are like family members. I'd rather him steal my car than kill my cats, for which he'd probably get a longer sentence.”

Its not an opinion, "family" has a definition, its a fact.

I can't beleive there is someone over the age of 10 who thinks that cats can genuinely be a member of a human family.

Christ on a bike!
patosmissus
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“No.
I never said that he should be let off.

Your analogy is also flawed.
Humans are not killed up and down the country day after day, and even if we to imagine they were (lets pretend we read the Daily Mail), it would be illegal. The situation is not the same animals, they are killed legally.”

Your original quote seemed rather dismissive about the whole situation, but you did in your later post say that you didn't think that the offender should be let off, although you do think that the sentence is harsh. How you can possibly think that is beyond me tbh.

You also said that "Animals die", not "Animals are killed" so I'd say that my analogy is perfectly justified.
good shepherd
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by amielouise:
“Your opinion. ”

NO NO NO NO!!!!

It is not "opinion" that a cat can be a family member., it is a fact.

In the exact same way that it is not opinion that you could be related to a carrot. (lets ignore evolution over a billions year period)
mistygal
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“Animals die up and down the country day after day. No big deal, its part of life.”

It was an unnecessary act. As I have said Animal Welfare or Pest Control are out there. If I had a terrible problem with an unwanted stray visiting my premises I would have it removed. By either they come and collect it, or take it to the RSPCA as a stray. No need to take on such merciless actions.
LAW ENFORCEMENT
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“NO NO NO NO!!!!

It is not "opinion" that a cat can be a family member., it is a fact.

In the exact same way that it is not opinion that you could be related to a carrot. (lets ignore the evolution over billions of years)”

I hope amielouise is feeling embarrassed.
The Chief
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“No.
I never said that he should be let off.

Your analogy is also flawed.
Humans are not killed up and down the country day after day, and even if we to imagine they were (lets pretend we read the Daily Mail), it would be illegal. The situation is not the same animals, they are killed legally.”

Excerpt from;
Animal Health and Welfare (Scotland) Act 2006

Protected animals
(1) In this Part, an animal is a “protected animal” if it is—
(a) of a kind which is commonly domesticated in the British Islands,
(b) under the control of man on a permanent or temporary basis, or
(c) not living in a wild state.
(2) In subsection (1)(a), “British Islands” is to be construed in accordance with Schedule 1 to the Interpretation Act 1978 (c. 30).
...
Unnecessary suffering
(1) A person commits an offence if—
(a) the person causes a protected animal unnecessary suffering by an act, and
(b) the person knew, or ought reasonably to have known, that the act would have caused the suffering or be likely to do so.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/legislation/s..._20060011_en_1


So basically, it is a fact that this man man committed an offence. Unless you think that his actions were 'necessary'.
good shepherd
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by patosmissus:
“Your original quote seemed rather dismissive about the whole situation, but you did in your later post say that you didn't think that the offender should be let off, although you do think that the sentence is harsh. How you can possibly think that is beyond me tbh.”

I was dismissive of the over reaction of some here, simply because it involved a cat.
amielouise
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“NO NO NO NO!!!!

It is not "opinion" that a cat can be a family member., it is a fact.

In the exact same way that it is not opinion that you could be related to a carrot. (lets ignore evolution over a billions year period)”

I corrected myself and said like a family member. Don't take things so literally

My point is, cats do mean an awful lot to people. Therefore, he deserved a harsh sentence. Even if they mean nothing to someone else.
good shepherd
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by The Chief:
“So basically, it is a fact that this man man committed an offence. Unless you think that his actions were 'necessary'.”

I never denied what he did was wrong. Simply that in the scheme of things it does not warrant the response of some posters.
good shepherd
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by amielouise:
“I corrected myself and said like a family member.”

Apology accepted

Originally Posted by amielouise:
“ Don't take things so literally ”

All right.

Originally Posted by amielouise:
“My point is, cats do mean an awful lot to people. Therefore, he deserved a harsh sentence. Even if they mean nothing to someone else.”

So had it been a pot bellied pig (ugly creatures), he should have got a lesser sentence?
amielouise
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“Apology accepted”

Didn't apologise


Quote:
“So had it been a pot bellied pig (ugly creatures), he should have got a lesser sentence?”

IMO, if was someone's pet. Why should the sentence be any less harsh?
habby
09-10-2008
What a fuss about a cat. Theres millions of them about.

I wish someone could have killed all my ex-neighbours cats. She made our lives a misery living next door to her
The Chief
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“Your analogy is also flawed.
I never denied what he did was wrong. Simply that in the scheme of things it does not warrant the response of some posters.”

You may have said that but you also said;
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“Animals die up and down the country day after day. No big deal, its part of life.”

and;
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“Humans are not killed up and down the country day after day, and even if we to imagine they were (lets pretend we read the Daily Mail), it would be illegal. The situation is not the same animals, they are killed legally.”

In actual fact, the killing of protected animals (as defined above) in that manner is not legal, as you were inferring.
Therefore, your analogy is also flawed.
John Robinson
09-10-2008
It's a good job I wasn't the judge in this case.

My sentence would have been that he should have been taken from this place to another place, tied up in a plastic bag, weighted down with bricks and cast into the nearest canal.
Forever Awkward
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“Animals die up and down the country day after day. No big deal, its part of life.”

So do people. Does that make it alright to stuff them into plastic bags and drown them?

Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“No.

He should have been punished, and indeed he was (in my view too harshly). There is an element of (probably childless housebounds) posters who are reacting as if it was a child and not a cat”

Whether it was an animal or a human, what it was is loved by someone.

Childless housebounds. How much ruder and more patronising can you get and how much further can you show your ignorance and embarrass yourself?

Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“(cough)

No they are not.”

Originally Posted by LAW ENFORCEMENT:
“HOLY SHIT!

I think you need to read the definition of a family!

Unless someone in your family has been having it away with a cat!?!? ”

Quite frankly, I'm sure most people would rather have a flea off the back of a diseased spider as a family member than either of you if your obvious intellect, tact and eloquence are anything to go by.

Originally Posted by Hathor:
“Nobody is acting as if it were a child. Child killers get many years in jail, This guy got a few months. Proportional to the crime.”

I don't believe it is proportional to the crime. Child killers get many years in jail. Pet killers should get at least some.

Originally Posted by LAW ENFORCEMENT:
“I hope amielouise is feeling embarrassed.”

I don't know about amielouise but you and good shepherd should hang your heads in shame.

Originally Posted by habby:
“What a fuss about a cat. Theres millions of them about.”

How many millions of people are there? I repeat, does that make it alright to stuff them into plastic bags and drown them?
jase1
09-10-2008
Originally Posted by habby:
“What a fuss about a cat. Theres millions of them about.

I wish someone could have killed all my ex-neighbours cats. She made our lives a misery living next door to her”

What a charming fellow you must be.
ibeca
09-10-2008
I can't believe the ignorance of some people on this thread.
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