I think the punishment was about right for the crime.
If more of these morons were jailed for their actions perhaps this nonsense would end.
If more of these morons were jailed for their actions perhaps this nonsense would end.
Cat Killer Sentenced
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Originally Posted by habby:
“What a fuss about a cat. Theres millions of them about.
I wish someone could have killed all my ex-neighbours cats. She made our lives a misery living next door to her
”
“What a fuss about a cat. Theres millions of them about.
I wish someone could have killed all my ex-neighbours cats. She made our lives a misery living next door to her
”
There are millions of humans about too - would you advocate killing them if they annoyed you too? .Surely you could've just moved house if you didn't like the fact that cats lived next door?
Originally Posted by LAW ENFORCEMENT:
“HOLY SHIT!
I think you need to read the definition of a family!
Unless someone in your family has been having it away with a cat!?!?”
“HOLY SHIT!
I think you need to read the definition of a family!
Unless someone in your family has been having it away with a cat!?!?
”
So family can only be achieved by people "having it away" with each other?
By your reasoning, adopted children cannot be part of their parents' family.
I know that my cat is not the same species as me, but I love her and consider her to be part of my family. Who are you to judge how valid people's feelings are?
Originally Posted by HollyC:
“So family can only be achieved by people "having it away" with each other?
By your reasoning, adopted children cannot be part of their parents' family.
I know that my cat is not the same species as me, but I love her and consider her to be part of my family. Who are you to judge how valid people's feelings are?”
“So family can only be achieved by people "having it away" with each other?
By your reasoning, adopted children cannot be part of their parents' family.
I know that my cat is not the same species as me, but I love her and consider her to be part of my family. Who are you to judge how valid people's feelings are?”
I completely agree - my two mogs are definitely part of the family
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Originally Posted by Forever Awkward:
“So do people. Does that make it alright to stuff them into plastic bags and drown them?”
“So do people. Does that make it alright to stuff them into plastic bags and drown them?”
No.
Originally Posted by Forever Awkward:
“Whether it was an animal or a human, what it was is loved by someone.”
“Whether it was an animal or a human, what it was is loved by someone.”
I never suggested the cat was not "loved".
Originally Posted by Forever Awkward:
“Childless housebounds. How much ruder and more patronising can you get and how much further can you show your ignorance and embarrass yourself?”
“Childless housebounds. How much ruder and more patronising can you get and how much further can you show your ignorance and embarrass yourself?”
Please get a sense of perspective.
Originally Posted by Forever Awkward:
“Quite frankly, I'm sure most people would rather have a flea off the back of a diseased spider as a family member than either of you if your obvious intellect, tact and eloquence are anything to go by.”
“Quite frankly, I'm sure most people would rather have a flea off the back of a diseased spider as a family member than either of you if your obvious intellect, tact and eloquence are anything to go by.”
Quite frankly I am appalled by your rudeness!
You do you cause no good by writing such things and you only alienate yourself from the more "moderate" cat lovers, and in the end do your cause more harm than good. I suggest you apologise, not only to me and "LAW ENFORCEMENT", but to other DS members, who should not have to witness such nastiness.
CAN I MAKE IT QUITE CLEAR I DO NOT REGARD "Forever Awkward" AND HIS VIEWS AS REPRESENTING THOSE OF THE CAT LOVING COMMUNITY. I realize most "genuine cat lovers" will try to distance themselves from him.
Originally Posted by Forever Awkward:
“I don't believe it is proportional to the crime. Child killers get many years in jail. Pet killers should get at least some”
“I don't believe it is proportional to the crime. Child killers get many years in jail. Pet killers should get at least some”
Are you suggesting the man should have got off with a "slap on the wrist" had the cat been a stray and not a pet. I find this point abhorrent. It is not the cats fault!!!
Originally Posted by Forever Awkward:
“I don't know about amielouise but you and good shepherd should hang your heads in shame.”
“I don't know about amielouise but you and good shepherd should hang your heads in shame.”
I hang my head, but it is in quiet meditation. I suggest you do the same! Search your inner self, why so much nastiness? Has anyone ever hurt you? If so please feel free to PM me, where we can discuss it privately.
Originally Posted by Forever Awkward:
“How many millions of people are there? I repeat, does that make it alright to stuff them into plastic bags and drown them? ”
“How many millions of people are there? I repeat, does that make it alright to stuff them into plastic bags and drown them? ”
As has been said, no one is saying the guy did no wrong (except maybe his solicitor). Simply in the scheme of things it's no big deal. I think deep down you know this as true. What concerns me is why you insist on continuing this bizaree charade. Is anyone threatening you if you don't continue to make "pro cat" posts , perhaps saying that you will be of of the "gang" if you don't?
Originally Posted by HollyC:
“So family can only be achieved by people "having it away" with each other? ”
“So family can only be achieved by people "having it away" with each other? ”
No, and you know why because you then said ....
Originally Posted by HollyC:
“By your reasoning, adopted children cannot be part of their parents' family. ”
“By your reasoning, adopted children cannot be part of their parents' family. ”
Originally Posted by HollyC:
“I know that my cat is not the same species as me, but I love her and consider her to be part of my family. Who are you to judge how valid people's feelings are?”
“I know that my cat is not the same species as me, but I love her and consider her to be part of my family. Who are you to judge how valid people's feelings are?”
She is not part of your family, in the same way a four slice toaster can not be part of your family no matter what your feelings for it are.
Originally Posted by Bigfeet:
“I completely agree - my two mogs are definitely part of the family .”
“I completely agree - my two mogs are definitely part of the family
.”
No they are not. No matter how much want it you will never be part of the family.
I have a very nice pair of black shoes, they are no more part of my family than your cats are part of yours.
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“and you know so because you then said
She is not part of your family, in the same way a four slice toaster can not be part of your family no matter what your feelings for it are.”
“and you know so because you then said
She is not part of your family, in the same way a four slice toaster can not be part of your family no matter what your feelings for it are.”
Now I'm unsure whether you are likening an adopted child to a toaster or not
Whatever the case I still find some of your comments on this thread abhorrent.
Originally Posted by trinity2002:
“Now I'm unsure whether you are likening an adopted child to a toaster or not”
“Now I'm unsure whether you are likening an adopted child to a toaster or not”
My response concerning the toaster, was a direct response to a (quoted) point about a FM who had a cat who considered it as part of her/his family.
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“No they are not. No matter how much want it you will never be part of the family.
I have a very nice pair of black shoes, they are no more part of my family than your cats are part of yours.”
“No they are not. No matter how much want it you will never be part of the family.
I have a very nice pair of black shoes, they are no more part of my family than your cats are part of yours.”
A 'family' is whatever you define it to be surely?
Technically you are quite correct of course. But when we are discussing people's emotions, technical truth doesn't come into it.
To say that a cat or dog is not part of 'the family' is pure semantics.
well on the other hand she should have been fined for letting her pet wander freely onto another persons property. i hate it when cat owners just let their pet free to wander and kill wild life.
Originally Posted by abbie1953:
“We have just been to court to-day to witness the despicable monster who threw a neighbours cat in a canal being sentenced. We all thought the outcome would be community service,but were delighted that he was sentenced to 4months in prison, what a wonderful outcome for a person to have thought he would never have been caught.I have posted previously when he was allowed to go on holiday to Tennerife and kind people helped me to copy the stories to this forum.Watch newspapers tomorrow.”
“We have just been to court to-day to witness the despicable monster who threw a neighbours cat in a canal being sentenced. We all thought the outcome would be community service,but were delighted that he was sentenced to 4months in prison, what a wonderful outcome for a person to have thought he would never have been caught.I have posted previously when he was allowed to go on holiday to Tennerife and kind people helped me to copy the stories to this forum.Watch newspapers tomorrow.”
In all honesty, if you were to spend more time worrying about human beings as opposed to a cat I'd have some sympathy for your plight.
In the time taken to write this reply at least 100 children have died due to starvation.
Cats! Show some humanity and worry about humanity!
Originally Posted by jase1:
“A 'family' is whatever you define it to be surely?”
“A 'family' is whatever you define it to be surely?”
No.
Originally Posted by jase1:
“Technically you are quite correct of course. But when we are discussing people's emotions, technical truth doesn't come into it.”
“Technically you are quite correct of course. But when we are discussing people's emotions, technical truth doesn't come into it.”
When it comes to determining right and wrong, we have to (try to) remove all emotions.
Originally Posted by jase1:
“To say that a cat or dog is not part of 'the family' is pure semantics.”
“To say that a cat or dog is not part of 'the family' is pure semantics.”
Pure truth. It is not part of his family.
Originally Posted by frasera:
“well on the other hand she should have been fined for letting her pet wander freely onto another persons property. i hate it when cat owners just let their pet free to wander and kill wild life.”
“well on the other hand she should have been fined for letting her pet wander freely onto another persons property. i hate it when cat owners just let their pet free to wander and kill wild life.”
Agreed -- but why are cats always singled out?
Our neighbour's dog invades our property and messes it up -- should our neighbours be fined as well?
(Probably yes actually IMO -- if I can keep my cats in check, so can that tosspot next door keep tabs on his flaming mutt!!).
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“No they are not. No matter how much want it you will never be part of the family.
I have a very nice pair of black shoes, they are no more part of my family than your cats are part of yours.”
“No they are not. No matter how much want it you will never be part of the family.
I have a very nice pair of black shoes, they are no more part of my family than your cats are part of yours.”
No offence, but shoes do not have personalities or give affection, nor are they naughty at times
.
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“No, and you know why because you then said ....
She is not part of your family, in the same way a four slice toaster can not be part of your family no matter what your feelings for it are.”
“No, and you know why because you then said ....
She is not part of your family, in the same way a four slice toaster can not be part of your family no matter what your feelings for it are.”
I consider her part of my family. Your comparison of a living being and an inanimate object is ridiculous
! My toaster is as much a part of my family as my car is (i.e. not at all).LAW ENFORCEMENT inferred in his/her post that a cat cannot be part of the family unless a family member had been having it away with a cat. Why are you answering comments questioning his/her posts? And, if you do choose to answer them, then at least have the foresight to read the whole thing first
And who are you to say that my feelings are invalid?
Last edited by HollyC : 10-10-2008 at 00:33
Originally Posted by jase1:
“Agreed -- but why are cats always singled out?
Our neighbour's dog invades our property and messes it up -- should our neighbours be fined as well?
(Probably yes actually IMO -- if I can keep my cats in check, so can that tosspot next door keep tabs on his flaming mutt!!).”
“Agreed -- but why are cats always singled out?
Our neighbour's dog invades our property and messes it up -- should our neighbours be fined as well?
(Probably yes actually IMO -- if I can keep my cats in check, so can that tosspot next door keep tabs on his flaming mutt!!).”
because cat owners tend to be more brazen and cats can scale fences that dogs can't handle. the same applies for dogs yes, but its mostly a cat issue. if you let your cat roam and it gets killed on the road or buy some guy it is partially your own fault.
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“Pure truth. It is not part of his family.”
“Pure truth. It is not part of his family.”
A relationship still exists though.
If not 'family', then property applies. It still doesn't alter the fact that this man has no right to take what belongs to someone else, and destroy it. And that's before you get onto the cruelty aspect.
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“My response concerning the toaster, was a direct response to a (quoted) point about a FM who had a cat who considered it as part of her/his family.”
“My response concerning the toaster, was a direct response to a (quoted) point about a FM who had a cat who considered it as part of her/his family.”
You also quoted their comments regarding adopted children with that response.
It's good that harsher sentences are being given, if only this would follow suit into other areas.
Truth didn't stop you suggesting people were childless and housebound.
Or can you make statements of opinion but everyone else must be factually accurate?
Originally Posted by good shepherd:
“
Pure truth. It is not part of his family.”
“
Pure truth. It is not part of his family.”
Truth didn't stop you suggesting people were childless and housebound.
Or can you make statements of opinion but everyone else must be factually accurate?
Originally Posted by frasera:
“but its mostly a cat issue.”
“but its mostly a cat issue.”
I disagree with this actually.
Our cats stay indoors, and only go into the garden supervised, so I can hold some moral high ground on this issue.
I find that cats are a constant stream of mild irritation, whereas when dogs are a problem, they're a major, potentially dangerous one.
We still have people refusing to pick up after their dog's mess when taking them for walks, dogs getting into other's gardens and -- quite unlike the typical cat -- becoming aggressive toward a neighbour on his own property, dogs biting other people's dogs/children etc etc.
So it depends on what your priorities are really.
Originally Posted by abbie1953:
“We have just been to court to-day to witness the despicable monster who threw a neighbours cat in a canal being sentenced. We all thought the outcome would be community service,but were delighted that he was sentenced to 4months in prison, what a wonderful outcome for a person to have thought he would never have been caught.I have posted previously when he was allowed to go on holiday to Tennerife and kind people helped me to copy the stories to this forum.Watch newspapers tomorrow.”
“We have just been to court to-day to witness the despicable monster who threw a neighbours cat in a canal being sentenced. We all thought the outcome would be community service,but were delighted that he was sentenced to 4months in prison, what a wonderful outcome for a person to have thought he would never have been caught.I have posted previously when he was allowed to go on holiday to Tennerife and kind people helped me to copy the stories to this forum.Watch newspapers tomorrow.”
I wish there were more people like you around, hats off to you.
Originally Posted by jase1:
“What a charming fellow you must be.”
“What a charming fellow you must be.”
Originally Posted by Bigfeet:
“ There are millions of !)humans about too - would you advocate killing them if they annoyed you too? .
Surely you could've just moved house if you didn't like the fact that cats lived next door?”
“
There are millions of !)humans about too - would you advocate killing them if they annoyed you too? .Surely you could've just moved house if you didn't like the fact that cats lived next door?
”
Read this article & it'll make my reasons clearer. (The only place I could find it was in a St Albans newspapers archive for some reason. The East Londons paper search facility isnt working).
Yes, bigfeet, we did move thats why I put ex-neighbour.
She got done for changing the use of her house to a cat charity but won on appeal for some stupid reason
Originally Posted by habby:
“Read this article & it'll make my reasons clearer. (The only place I could find it was in a St Albans newspapers archive for some reason. The East Londons paper search facility isnt working).
Yes, bigfeet, we did move thats why I put ex-neighbour.
She got done for changing the use of her house to a cat charity but won on appeal for some stupid reason”
“Read this article & it'll make my reasons clearer. (The only place I could find it was in a St Albans newspapers archive for some reason. The East Londons paper search facility isnt working).
Yes, bigfeet, we did move thats why I put ex-neighbour.
She got done for changing the use of her house to a cat charity but won on appeal for some stupid reason
”
Your link won't open for me
.So did you move just because of the cats then?
Originally Posted by habby:
“Read this article & it'll make my reasons clearer. (The only place I could find it was in a St Albans newspapers archive for some reason. The East Londons paper search facility isnt working).
Yes, bigfeet, we did move thats why I put ex-neighbour.
She got done for changing the use of her house to a cat charity but won on appeal for some stupid reason”
“Read this article & it'll make my reasons clearer. (The only place I could find it was in a St Albans newspapers archive for some reason. The East Londons paper search facility isnt working).
Yes, bigfeet, we did move thats why I put ex-neighbour.
She got done for changing the use of her house to a cat charity but won on appeal for some stupid reason
”
The road to hell...
Anyway, why is this woman's actions reason to kill the animals in her care?
This was one for environmental health.
Did you arrive there first or did the cat nutter?
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