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Obviously, with Leon Jackson having won last year thanks largely to massive voting from Scotland every week (if I recall, he won the vote nearly every week, even in weeks when he was amongst the worst singers), it seems like X Factor producers are looking to avoid what happened last year.
So, for fear of regional-based voting winning an undeserving contender the competition, they seem to have decided not to pick any Scots or Welsh people this year. Obviously, there's someone from Northern Ireland but there's not much history of people from that country winning reality contests due to strong regional support. Anyone go along with this theory, or was it just that the good candidates this year were only from England? |
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Or was it that the good contestants last year were from Scotland and Wales?
Of course, if you were right, it would save all of us Scots from voting this year, what with us not having the ability to choose according to merit like the English. |
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I did find it interesting that the vast majority of Leon's sales came from Scotland, despite it's population being considerably smaller than the rest of the UK combined. Same thing happened with Michelle Mcmanus. I think Leon was number 1 in the Scottish chart, while out of the top 40 entirely in the UK chart combined or something.
![]() Not sure if it proves the theory or not. Kerry and Nikitta didn't exactly get very far and I'm sure people that care enough about the show to post on forums aren't going to be voting along nationalistic lines. It's hard to believe anybody does, but the sales stats are odd... |
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Obviously, with Leon Jackson having won last year thanks largely to massive voting from Scotland every week (if I recall, he won the vote nearly every week, even in weeks when he was amongst the worst singers), it seems like X Factor producers are looking to avoid what happened last year.
So, for fear of regional-based voting winning an undeserving contender the competition, they seem to have decided not to pick any Scots or Welsh people this year. Obviously, there's someone from Northern Ireland but there's not much history of people from that country winning reality contests due to strong regional support. Anyone go along with this theory, or was it just that the good candidates this year were only from England? |
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And here we go with this nonsense again.
Who are you all going to blame this year when your favourite loses? Just out of interest was there ever any actual evidence to back up the phone statistics to show the actual share for the performers? And by that I mean solid evidence, not rumour gossip and innuendo. ("I know someone who knows someone and he told me" is not real evidence.) And as for the sales - the majority of sales referred to above were reported were for the third week of sales - which happened to be the lowest sales week. There was lots of speculation here as to what that meant and certain and there was lots of theories flying about but the actual breakdown for the first two weeks, the vast majority of sales, were not known. The week referred to was in the newpapers as it was seen as unusual. (Although the fact that New Year week is a longer holiday period in Scotland and the shopping centres were busy during the new year sales was not taken into account....) Last edited by Daewos : 11-10-2008 at 10:56. Reason: clarity! |
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I would say a thread started to upset and annoy. Notably by a poster with a very low count. I've seen this often this week in relation to criticism of Leon. Makes me wonder.
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I did find it interesting that the vast majority of Leon's sales came from Scotland, despite it's population being considerably smaller than the rest of the UK combined. Same thing happened with Michelle Mcmanus. I think Leon was number 1 in the Scottish chart, while out of the top 40 entirely in the UK chart combined or something.
![]() Not sure if it proves the theory or not. Kerry and Nikitta didn't exactly get very far and I'm sure people that care enough about the show to post on forums aren't going to be voting along nationalistic lines. It's hard to believe anybody does, but the sales stats are odd... Also I think it is fair to say Leon had a large amount of his votes from scotland. But I don't think he would have won just from scotland votes. Their are other people who do like him. I wasn't a fan in last years X Factor, but his new single is growing on me, and since his comebac has come I have found him quite fit, I didn't think that of him last year. |
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Yeah I was suprised about that. BUT that year their were three scottish acts, Kerry, Nikitta and The Macdonald Bros. Scotland chose The Macdonald Bros to back.
Also I think it is fair to say Leon had a large amount of his votes from scotland. But I don't think he would have won just from scotland votes. Their are other people who do like him. I wasn't a fan in last years X Factor, but his new single is growing on me, and since his comebac has come I have found him quite fit, I didn't think that of him last year. Nonsense...I am so fed up with this rubbish every year. Further....who on earth voted for utter rubbish (IMO) like Chico, Ray and Same Difference? If SD were Scottish....they'd be getting this nonsense, I'm sure.
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I would say a thread started to upset and annoy. Notably by a poster with a very low count. I've seen this often this week in relation to criticism of Leon. Makes me wonder.
(Mo Chatra, being the OP) |
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Sorry but what a load of b*ll*cks
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I would say a thread started to upset and annoy. Notably by a poster with a very low count. I've seen this often this week in relation to criticism of Leon. Makes me wonder.
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Mo Chatra is a journalist who writes for 'Power Slam' magazine.
(Mo Chatra, being the OP) |
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Mo Chatra is a journalist who writes for 'Power Slam' magazine.
(Mo Chatra, being the OP) Discriminatory xenophobia is behind such a comment (IMO) that cannot see beyond such tunnel visioned reasoning and a lack of acceptance than people who are not Scottish would vote for a Scot on such a programme in significant enough numbers. |
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Or maybe it's just that Leon was the most surprising winner in talent show contest history.
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Would you expect a Leon fan to know that? I was just telling the poster who Mo Chatra was. He's a journalist who writes for a mixed martial arts/professional wrestling magazine. I'm genuinely confused at your reply. |
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... Would you expect a Leon fan to know that?
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Would you expect many people to know that? Is a Leon fan (even) less likely to read a wrestling magazine than the rest of the population?
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Well I have said this before but it is a well-known fact that a lot of the Scots and the Welsh vote for the contestant that comes from their respective country regardless of the singing ability or talent.
The Welsh voted for Rhydian en masse and the Scots did the same with Leon...it's the truth! Even First Minister in the Welsh Assembly Rhodri Morgan admitted he had voted for Rhydian in last years X-Factor finals and he had never heard him sing,he voted just because he was Welsh. When Leon won,a lot of the Welsh commercial radio stations refused to play Leon's winning song all because Rhydian didn't win!! Sore losers or what? Rhydian and Leon could have stood there on stage and sang "Baa Baa Black Sheep" and the Welsh and Scots would have still voted for them! They will always give the "Pride of our country" excuse but they need to be reminded that's NOT what X-Factor is about. I dare say the same will happen this year with Eoghan,the Irish will vote for him just because he is from there. Despite the fact that there are far more talented contestants than him in this years X-Factor. |
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Well I have said this before but it is a well-known fact that a lot of the Scots and the Welsh vote for the contestant that comes from their respective country regardless of the singing ability or talent.
The Welsh voted for Rhydian en masse and the Scots did the same with Leon...it's the truth! Even First Minister in the Welsh Assembly Rhodri Morgan admitted he had voted for Rhydian in last years X-Factor finals and he had never heard him sing,he voted just because he was Welsh. When Leon won,a lot of the Welsh commercial radio stations refused to play Leon's winning song all because Rhydian didn't win!! Sore losers or what? Rhydian and Leon could have stood there on stage and sang "Baa Baa Black Sheep" and the Welsh and Scots would have still voted for them! They will always give the "Pride of our country" excuse but they need to be reminded that's NOT what X-Factor is about. I dare say the same will happen this year with Eoghan,the Irish will vote for him just because he is from there. Despite the fact that there are far more talented contestants than him in this years X-Factor. |
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Sorry but it isn't. Line checks and mobile transmission checks that were carried out when the suggestion was first made (in an unsuccessful attempt to rubbish the claims) showed that a huge majority of his votes came from Scotland and his record sales were the same.
As to the record sales - the sales in week three (about 35000, I think)were reported as previously stated as they were unusual. Most of the extrapolation as to what was meant for total sales happened on this very site! |
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Well I have said this before but it is a well-known fact that a lot of the Scots and the Welsh vote for the contestant that comes from their respective country regardless of the singing ability or talent.
The Welsh voted for Rhydian en masse and the Scots did the same with Leon...it's the truth! Even First Minister in the Welsh Assembly Rhodri Morgan admitted he had voted for Rhydian in last years X-Factor finals and he had never heard him sing,he voted just because he was Welsh. When Leon won,a lot of the Welsh commercial radio stations refused to play Leon's winning song all because Rhydian didn't win!! Sore losers or what? Rhydian and Leon could have stood there on stage and sang "Baa Baa Black Sheep" and the Welsh and Scots would have still voted for them! They will always give the "Pride of our country" excuse but they need to be reminded that's NOT what X-Factor is about. I dare say the same will happen this year with Eoghan,the Irish will vote for him just because he is from there. Despite the fact that there are far more talented contestants than him in this years X-Factor. The kid may do well. Last year, Rhydian was ridiculed and tipped to leave before he sang on stage. From then, he shone. You are just making stereotypical assumptions. And...if you are right. The McDonalds should have beated Leona last year, should they not? Why did Welsh Andy Williams leave the comp so early? Utter over reaction here. |
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I really do wish politicians wouldn't make comments like that. I seem to remember Alex Salmond calling Leon's win a "fantastic victory for Scotland". What a t*t!
Likewise Gordon Brown - he should have kept his nose out of the XF. It's people like them who fuel political debates in subjects where we should be free of them. |
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That is so deterministic and judgemental. Let's just see how Eoghan does before we damn him, shall we?
The kid may do well. Last year, Rhydian was ridiculed and tipped to leave before he sang on stage. From then, he shone. You are just making stereotypical assumptions. And...if you are right. The McDonalds should have beated Leona last year, should they not? Why did Welsh Andy Williams leave the comp so early? Utter over reaction here. Truth hurts doesn't it? Welsh Andy Williams left early last year because there could only be one winner,and as Rhydian was the better out of the two Welsh contestants then the Welsh voted for him en masse..it's true! The McDonalds didn't beat Leona (whatever "beated" means!) because eventually even the Scots realised how crap they were in comparison to Leona. |
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i didnt notice there were no welsh or scottish people there
fair enough, leon probably did get the scottish vote. but i also know plenty of welsh people who liked him over rhydian i think this years is going to be interesting because there's so many good contestants. last year there were clear favourites in the end. although there was obviously a twist with the winner, it did get a bit boring after a while |
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It happens! I have evidence coming from the mouths of many Welsh and Scottish people!
Truth hurts doesn't it? Any chance of getting these details old bean? How many are we talking - 25% of the population, 50%? The McDonalds didn't beat Leona (whatever "beated" means!) because eventually even the Scots realised how crap they were in comparison to Leona. For the record, there was no eventually for this Scotsman - I knew they were crap the first time I saw them.
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i didnt notice there were no welsh or scottish people there
fair enough, leon probably did get the scottish vote. but i also know plenty of welsh people who liked him over rhydian |
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Yes myself and my partner both voted for Leon. His duet with Kylie was the icing on the cake.Wheras Rhydian's with old warble throat Jenkins was dreadful in comparison.
i just love kylie though, haha leon was better than rhydian when it came to the crunch. that's all there is to it really |
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