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Old 11-10-2008, 22:52
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Simon Cowell is a very smart man and I doubt he just made a mistake in giving Scott such a bad song. Simon knew the song didn't work - he must have seen this in rehearsals and last year he changed one of Same Differences' songs the day before the show, so he had a chance. I can't help but feel Simon had another motive and gave Scott a song which didn't display his talent and couldn't give him much to work with.

It just seemed odd...
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Old 11-10-2008, 22:53
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Doing ok with a good song can actually be worse than doing awfully with a terrible song.
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Old 11-10-2008, 22:55
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He knows that Scott can't win this, but gave him a disco song, to appeal to the week minded, just to save his ass. And it worked. Simon is a smart man. He got Same difference to third place didn't he.
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Old 11-10-2008, 22:56
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Song choices are deliberately done to attempt to get certain acts out or at least cut down popularlity. Probably going to make sure that a young lad doesn't win this year. It has been going since series 1 - G4 being given Baby One More Time!!!!!. Just now people are far more aware of what is going on.
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Old 11-10-2008, 22:56
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Nothing against Scott but I do think there were more better singers that Simon could have chosen in his group.

Yep, Simon is too experienced and too smart to have given Scott a rubbish song. Deffo some other motive there - Publics Sympathy Vote seems to spring to mind
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Old 11-10-2008, 22:57
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I know exactly where your coming from. Simon is not stupid, he knew exactly what he was doing but it backfired. Scott is just cannon fodder to him. It was a cruel thing to do.
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Old 11-10-2008, 22:58
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Isn't it to get that act voted off, so they can concentrate on the act they want to win or who will have more chance of winning?
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Old 11-10-2008, 22:58
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Because he knew that Scott wasn't going to demonstrate the X Factor in its finest form whatever he did. Because he knew that Scott had no purpose on the show, but by creating this whole "fiasco" it got him through and created some entertainment.

If he gave him a decent song, neither of those things would have happened.

If he wanted Scott out, he wouldn't have made such a big deal of his "mistake".
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Old 11-10-2008, 22:59
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Leon won so Scott could still win this if that's the required standard.....
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Old 11-10-2008, 22:59
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...because Leon was crap last year and still won...

Scott was shite, relatively-speaking, but he still sang as well as Leon
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Old 11-10-2008, 23:03
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Viewers love car crash TV.

The X Factor being entertaining and popular, is WAY more important to Simon than another drone contestant.
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Old 11-10-2008, 23:04
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Maybe he knew he'd be slated for it, therefore sail through to next week?

I don't know.
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Old 11-10-2008, 23:06
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Wasn't Simon away in the US (doing American Idol or something) so couldn't see how bad his song was?

I think SC over-stretches himself workwise.
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Old 11-10-2008, 23:19
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Wasn't Simon away in the US (doing American Idol or something) so couldn't see how bad his song was?

I think SC over-stretches himself workwise.
He's been over doing some stuff for AI and due to the olympics, America's Got Talent only finished last week (it is usually done a month earlier) and he is the Executive Producer. Plus there are about 7 releases from Syco Music in the next few months so he is very busy.

But I still think he must have known. At the very least, someone that works for him must have noticed and pointed it out. I don't think the "mistake" was actually a mistake.
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Old 11-10-2008, 23:27
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Because they need to be sure that some people will do badly. If everyone is excellent then the show has no dramatic tension and no narratives; there will be no 'X-Factor journeys'.

They also need to make sure that strong performers - ones that people will tune in to watch - don't get knocked out of the competition at too early a stage.
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Old 11-10-2008, 23:28
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Because they need to be sure that some people will do badly. If everyone is excellent then the show has no dramatic tension and no narratives; there will be no 'X-Factor journeys'.

They also need to make sure that strong performers - ones that people will tune in to watch - don't get knocked out of the competition at too early a stage.
Simon did it so he could admit, shock horror, he was wrong. all part of the staged drama. like praising the first two acts and then giving No.3 a right old kick-in.
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Old 11-10-2008, 23:30
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He knows that Scott can't win this, but gave him a disco song, to appeal to the week minded, just to save his ass. And it worked. Simon is a smart man. He got Same difference to third place didn't he.
I agree with this. Simon admitting it was all his fault made people vote for Scott to save him because they didn't think it would be fair for him to go because of Simon's mistake. Had he not done this it's very possible Scott would have gone. I'm glad he stayed though because I quite like and thought he did a fairly good job with that song... Talking of which considering tonight's songs were meant to be number 1s where on earth did they find half of them? Absolute drivel some of them! Bring on Michael Jackson week!
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Old 11-10-2008, 23:32
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Sinitta said earlier on Xtra Factor that it was her that convinced Simon to put Scott through. He did not want Scott in the first place
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Old 11-10-2008, 23:38
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I agree with this. Simon admitting it was all his fault made people vote for Scott to save him because they didn't think it would be fair for him to go because of Simon's mistake. Had he not done this it's very possible Scott would have gone. I'm glad he stayed though because I quite like and thought he did a fairly good job with that song... Talking of which considering tonight's songs were meant to be number 1s where on earth did they find half of them? Absolute drivel some of them! Bring on Michael Jackson week!
I didn't hate scott. But not a memorable performence either. Only one I can remember id Diana's cuase it's Rachel and Ross's song from friends. Or is it? God I can't remember anything.

Same difference rocked last year. All becuase they had Simon as a mentor. I found them cheesy but fun to listen to and watch.
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Old 11-10-2008, 23:40
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Sinitta said earlier on Xtra Factor that it was her that convinced Simon to put Scott through. He did not want Scott in the first place
I doubt Simon would listen to her if he wasn't sure himself. He is cocky and arrogent. He knows his own mind.
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Old 12-10-2008, 02:45
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He knows that Scott can't win this, but gave him a disco song, to appeal to the week minded, just to save his ass. And it worked. Simon is a smart man. He got Same difference to third place didn't he.
Yip typical x factor formula.

1. Take a contestant that isnt the greatest vocally

2. Give said contestant rubbish song

3. Ensure said contestant gives a "confident" display

4. Pre-write critiques before hand

5. Deliver critiques in a manner that will create an innocent victim

6. Repeat victim circumstances ad finium

7. Look surprised when gullible public fall for act

8. Laugh as money rolls into bank from said gullable individuals

It happens every year yet people fall for it every time
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Old 12-10-2008, 02:52
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Simon Cowell is not half as good as he would have the general public believe. Else why is he doing the X Factor. And investing so much time into it. He is considered a shambles by many other suits in the industry.
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:05
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Simon Cowell is not half as good as he would have the general public believe. Else why is he doing the X Factor. And investing so much time into it. He is considered a shambles by many other suits in the industry.
Because it's the biggest TV show in the UK? It's not as though this would really count as a last resort in life! LOL He seems to be doing pretty well for himself, tbh.

In the past 18 months, he has shifted close to 7 million albums as a result of just two artists from these shows. And that doesn't include the ones they take on from all the Idol formats around the world.
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:08
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Yes but that is because Cowell has no shame. No one serious about music would have made the X Factor, or Pop Idol, Pop Rivals, Stars for a night, such a hard life, family are rapists, drug addicts anonymous, Dancing and singing like a lollipop would they
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:11
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If he would have sung a ballad he would have been for sure, the first out. However by giving him the worst song possible, simon admitting on live tv he let him down, Scott crying etc has got little girls across the country voting on redial for him. He was the worst by a mile but survived:sleep: The public sometimes like to vote for rubbish. They like to be abit of a rebel. With any justice he will be gone next week. I really don't think he has anything special to give us.
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