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Old 12-10-2008, 02:36
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I've never liked their warbling personally...and think that both are massively overrated. They also sound exactly like each other if they were to sing each others songs.

Just my opinion of course.....but I've never rushed out to buy a single or album.....or felt the incline to copy to my collection.

I think that both are massively overrated.....but are actually quite crap
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:31
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Behave you ninny. Whitney Houston in her prime was absolutely amazing. Not a voice around like her. Mariah Carey also exceptional.
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Old 12-10-2008, 04:42
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They're overrated in what they do, but there's no denying they have god voices.

I think they're shit, though, especially Mariah's recent attempts at music.

I like music which breaks the norm, so is as far from Whitney Houston and Mary-Carey as possible.
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Old 12-10-2008, 07:03
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God voices? Always thought they had delusions of grandeur!!!
I had time for WH when she started out, but fame went to her head and I cann't stand her now. Can''t deny she's a good singer, but yes I think very overrated, and far too many people trying to copy her these days.
As for MC, I hate what she's done to some classic songs (Without you, Against all odds) and I hate the way EVERY song ends with a warbling trail of sounds that makes it seem she's practicing to be a ghost --- "WOO WOO WOO, WOO WOO WOO, WOO WOO WOOOOOH!"
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:29
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I think the music industry see's them as legends, which i suppose in their own way and in 20/30 years down the line, they could be.

Personally i think they are great, Mariah being my favourite.

I know what some of you mean though when she gets a bit...irratic towards the end of her songs, but from experience with her fans (and me being one of them) that's what they seem to love about her.
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:30
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I think they are both amazing artists. I love both of them
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Old 12-10-2008, 09:53
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Whitney Houston at her peak is out of this world. No one can match her range. She is regarded as a legend because she is one. The power in her voice. Esp her 80's and early 90's stuff is just amazing to listen to.

I mean how many artists around to day could hit the same notes as her? maybe Chistina but even then she'd still be far off.

I mean take this song. This is one of her faster one's yet still any other singer would have a hard time hitting the range.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PCRsoD5ATwo
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:42
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Whitney Houston at her peak is out of this world. No one can match her range. She is regarded as a legend because she is one. The power in her voice. Esp her 80's and early 90's stuff is just amazing to listen to.

I mean how many artists around to day could hit the same notes as her? maybe Chistina but even then she'd still be far off.

I mean take this song. This is one of her faster one's yet still any other singer would have a hard time hitting the range.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PCRsoD5ATwo
Seriously!! Some people don't even know they were born..! Where do you get this rubbish about Whitney's range being untouchable?? Even Leona has a bigger range than Whitney had.. There have been and still are many singers who make Whitney look silly in terms of range... Whitney however did have a very powerful voice.. But still, that's even surpassable by many female singers!


If you wanna hear just what it is to have proper range and power (none of this Whitney lite shit), listen to Chaka Khan sining Got To Be There... They're the sort of notes that 95% of people ain't touching..


Celine Dion in my opinion had more range and power than Whitney had.. And as for Xtina Aguilera.. When she sings it sounds as though her lungs are gonna blow, she has a powerful voice with good range but her voice tone quality is just NOOOO .. awful nasty!! That's not singing or music to my ears. The only thing that does my ears in more than Aguilera is hearing a screaming baby... more than 10 minutes and it seriously becomes suicidal!
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:17
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Two of the best singers in the world? Overrated?- not at all
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:31
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Whitney Houston is 100% not overrated. The control she has over her voice. The sheer power, the phrasing of her words. She is a god to the music world. Granted shes not to everyones tastes but people cannot deny she has an exceptional talent. I also find her voice very listenable which brings me onto..

Mariah Carey who I do think is a tad overrated. Ive never been crazy about her although I know she is talented. I just can't stand her vibrato. It makes her songs very annoying to listen to sometimes which is why (although I love her) I struggle with listening to Leona for to long. Where as Whitney I could listen to for hours.

Just listen to this Whitney performance. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8EbYmMb4lR4 I think it's gotta be the best live performance ive ever heard. Her voice sends shivers down my spine.
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:13
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Seriously!! Some people don't even know they were born..! Where do you get this rubbish about Whitney's range being untouchable?? Even Leona has a bigger range than Whitney had.. There have been and still are many singers who make Whitney look silly in terms of range... Whitney however did have a very powerful voice.. But still, that's even surpassable by many female singers!

I think you'll find there are many female singers who have tried but cannot match Whitney's range or tone and as for Leona having a better range. No she does not. Leona is more like Mariah than Whitney. Plus sometimes you cannot understand a word Leona says. Whitney at her peak was untouchable and I'm sure Leona would agree.

But I take it your one of these Leona fans who won't hear a word against her.

So to say Leona is better is way off the mark and unless you can provide any sort of proof to back up your claims it's pointless to even say so.

Go and Youtube Whitney live.
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Old 12-10-2008, 13:25
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I think you'll find there are many female singers who have tried but cannot match Whitney's range or tone and as for Leona having a better range. No she does not. Leona is more like Mariah than Whitney. Plus sometimes you cannot understand a word Leona says. Whitney at her peak was untouchable and I'm sure Leona would agree.

But I take it your one of these Leona fans who won't hear a word against her.

So to say Leona is better is way off the mark and unless you can provide any sort of proof to back up your claims it's pointless to even say so.

Go and Youtube Whitney live.

Wow, where have I said that Leona was better than Whitney?? I think you're mistaking me for one of her crazy fans mate! I also mentioned Celine Dion and Chaka khan as having better ranges than Whitney but you totally ignored those two and hung on to the extreme hatred you seem to have for Leona.. I was talking about range and your absurd comment that no one has the range of Whitney... Do you know what a range is? I think you're mistaking range with scale!! As I've already said, she has/had a very powerful voice but certainly not an untouchable range.. And what's this about ''many have tried since'' ?? I think you'll find that many have done it way before Whitney.. Aretha Franklin spring to mind? Her range sh*ts all over Whitney's..

I'm not one of those fans who 'wont hear nothing bad said against her' as I rate many singers above her actually

And what's with the smug conclusion?
''So to say Leona is better is way off the mark ... ''
So what you're trying to say is that you're 100% right and everyone else is wrong? What proof do you want and I'd be quite happy to oblige.. I can find you many singers who have better ranges.. Many singers who have more powerful voices..

Now would it be okay for me to assume that ''you're just a crazy Whitney fan who won't hear nothing said against her'' ? And maybe add a

No of course not, coz you'd be offended right? It's okay for you to throw wild accusations but god forbid anyone should do it back..


And honestly mate, I do agree Whitney is an awesome singer but certainly not untouchable.. and if you're going to post videos of her to try and prove it, at least post a decent one!! That performance of One Moment In Time is v. good but not her best by miles... At least post Amazing Grace, A Quiet Place or Didn't We Almost Have It All ... She killed those live performances but One Moment In Time... ?? Going into the first chorus she had timing issues and as a whole the vocal didn't have much impact.. A lot of it was quite lack lustre except for the ''Make it shiiiine'' type parts

Didn't We Almost Have It all - Live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One Moment In Time
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LwLWeBpjXTc&NR=1

EDIT: And don't patronise me - ''Go and youtube whitney live'' !! I've probably heard and seen more Whitney live than you... Now stop being so ignorant and do a bit of youtube research.. Broaden your pop horizons and I'm sure you'll find many singers who pawn Whitney.. As you'd say 'go youtube it'
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Old 12-10-2008, 13:58
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Not overrated at all, both were absolutely amazing in their prime.

And yeah Whitney's range is not untouchable at all. Mariah beats it hands down, as do a lot of people. Whitney has (or had) amazing power and a gorgeous tone. Great control over her voice too.
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Old 12-10-2008, 14:22
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i find mariah carey pretty crap and not good at all

she deosnt even sing live anymore and hasnt for years and years

whitney on form is out of this world. i agree no one could match her in a contest when she was at her best

listen to when you believe.. whitney pisses all over mariah and mariah has to sreech to be heard

much better than leona lewish and mariah carey

chaka khan is probably one of the best
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Old 12-10-2008, 14:27
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Behave you ninny. Whitney Houston in her prime was absolutely amazing. Not a voice around like her. Mariah Carey also exceptional.
Nah. Houston ruined Dolly Parton's sensitive love song with her fog-horn delivery. Screaming in key is not talent. As for Carey, you've got to be joking, the woman looks like a Barbie Doll, and thinks she has to hit every possible note in every song she sings!
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Old 12-10-2008, 14:29
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They sound alike? you obviously dont know what you're talking about :sleep:

They arent overrated, they are 2 of the greatest singers ever.
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Old 13-10-2008, 07:28
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Wow, where have I said that Leona was better than Whitney?? I think you're mistaking me for one of her crazy fans mate! I also mentioned Celine Dion and Chaka khan as having better ranges than Whitney but you totally ignored those two and hung on to the extreme hatred you seem to have for Leona.. I was talking about range and your absurd comment that no one has the range of Whitney... Do you know what a range is? I think you're mistaking range with scale!! As I've already said, she has/had a very powerful voice but certainly not an untouchable range.. And what's this about ''many have tried since'' ?? I think you'll find that many have done it way before Whitney.. Aretha Franklin spring to mind? Her range sh*ts all over Whitney's..

I'm not one of those fans who 'wont hear nothing bad said against her' as I rate many singers above her actually

And what's with the smug conclusion?
''So to say Leona is better is way off the mark ... ''
So what you're trying to say is that you're 100% right and everyone else is wrong? What proof do you want and I'd be quite happy to oblige.. I can find you many singers who have better ranges.. Many singers who have more powerful voices..

Now would it be okay for me to assume that ''you're just a crazy Whitney fan who won't hear nothing said against her'' ? And maybe add a

No of course not, coz you'd be offended right? It's okay for you to throw wild accusations but god forbid anyone should do it back..


And honestly mate, I do agree Whitney is an awesome singer but certainly not untouchable.. and if you're going to post videos of her to try and prove it, at least post a decent one!! That performance of One Moment In Time is v. good but not her best by miles... At least post Amazing Grace, A Quiet Place or Didn't We Almost Have It All ... She killed those live performances but One Moment In Time... ?? Going into the first chorus she had timing issues and as a whole the vocal didn't have much impact.. A lot of it was quite lack lustre except for the ''Make it shiiiine'' type parts

Didn't We Almost Have It all - Live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One Moment In Time
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LwLWeBpjXTc&NR=1

EDIT: And don't patronise me - ''Go and youtube whitney live'' !! I've probably heard and seen more Whitney live than you... Now stop being so ignorant and do a bit of youtube research.. Broaden your pop horizons and I'm sure you'll find many singers who pawn Whitney.. As you'd say 'go youtube it'
Ummm I think you got me and Official Diva mixed up. Im DIVALICIOUS. I wasnt having an arguement with anyone. I just answered the topic and posted my personal favourite Whitney Houston performance One Moment In Time. I never notice any timing issues with it. I love her singing it as it really shows off the power of her voice. I think it's a really epic performance and the hall echo's with her voice. Simply breathtaking. I know loads of other Whitney fans who consider this Whitneys best to.
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Old 13-10-2008, 09:36
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Whitney is not. But I loathe Mariah with a passion. I hate her style of singing and her music.

For me people like Christina Aguilera, Karen Carpenter, Dusty Springfield, even Amy Winehouse and possibly Leona Lewis have better voices.

Mariah and her attitude annoy the hell out of me.
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Old 13-10-2008, 12:16
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I say overrated. It's undeniable that they both can sing, but I don't like the fact they use 15 notes to sing a word when a couple will do.
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Old 13-10-2008, 13:15
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They were both brilliant to start with but after a while they get overexposed. If get too divaish, it puts me off too.
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Old 13-10-2008, 15:42
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Overrated? They are two of the best selling female artists of all time.
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Old 13-10-2008, 15:55
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Overrated? They are two of the best selling female artists of all time.
So you equate talent with success? Okay, go and listen to Madonna and Britney Spears - surely they must be 2 of the best singers in the world to, right? I mean, just look at how many records they've sold!
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Old 13-10-2008, 23:01
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So you equate talent with success? Okay, go and listen to Madonna and Britney Spears - surely they must be 2 of the best singers in the world to, right? I mean, just look at how many records they've sold!
Are you purposely following me round this forum?

I didn't say 'singers'. I said artists and yes I do think talent equates success. You don't have a career 15 years long without SOMETHING. Mariah has millions of fans, has more number 1 singles than Elvis and is still very in demand. The same can be said for Britney and Madonna. They may not be the best singers but they are artists in their own rights and do what they do with a vast amount of talent. They aren't overrated either ...
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Old 14-10-2008, 06:14
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The thing people seem to not consider is that ALL popular vocalists are overrated. If they aren't, then their teams are doing a crap job and need to be fired.
There are plenty of singers with 3plus octave unstrained ranges and great tone/control who equal all those mentioned. Not saying it is common, but it is less rare than the casual listener may realise.
What I am saying is that yeah, they are overrated, BUT that is why it's called hype. No singer measures up to their press.What matters is that they have the tools(voices/ability)and skills to do the job and the songs to make it worth doing. In my opinion, all of the singers mentioned in this thread are outstanding at some combination of vocals/range/tone/skill/performing/interpreting/overall star quality if you will, so to me it doesn't matter that they are 'overrated'.What matters to me is that they are good at what they do and produce quality music , some of wich I love.
They are all quite successful, so they must be doing something right.
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Old 14-10-2008, 13:02
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Are you purposely following me round this forum?

I didn't say 'singers'. I said artists and yes I do think talent equates success. You don't have a career 15 years long without SOMETHING. Mariah has millions of fans, has more number 1 singles than Elvis and is still very in demand. The same can be said for Britney and Madonna. They may not be the best singers but they are artists in their own rights and do what they do with a vast amount of talent. They aren't overrated either ...
Really? I posted in this thread before you mate, how or why would I choose to follow you?

The thing people seem to not consider is that ALL popular vocalists are overrated. If they aren't, then their teams are doing a crap job and need to be fired.
There are plenty of singers with 3plus octave unstrained ranges and great tone/control who equal all those mentioned. Not saying it is common, but it is less rare than the casual listener may realise.
What I am saying is that yeah, they are overrated, BUT that is why it's called hype. No singer measures up to their press.What matters is that they have the tools(voices/ability)and skills to do the job and the songs to make it worth doing. In my opinion, all of the singers mentioned in this thread are outstanding at some combination of vocals/range/tone/skill/performing/interpreting/overall star quality if you will, so to me it doesn't matter that they are 'overrated'.What matters to me is that they are good at what they do and produce quality music , some of wich I love.
They are all quite successful, so they must be doing something right.
I actually agree with that! There are many many singers out there with the range, tone quality etc but not the press engines behind them! It's just certain people choose not to believe it and think that only those you hear of have it! So ignorant.
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