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Old 12-10-2008, 08:02
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if she is serious about having a career in music?

IMO the performances and style of music that will make Rachel taken seriously as a performer, won't work on x-factor, and if she is stitched up again (like tonight) then she will never make it as a recording artist.

I am now starting to believe, it was for the best that Hannah never made it through, as both Hannah & Rachel have the type of voices, that need to be singing lyrics they believe in, or arrangements that suit their individuality.

Also, Rachel needed Simon as her mentor to stand any chance of winning x-factor, instead she ends up with IMO the worst mentor out of the four.
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:06
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Based on that performance last night, I don`t think it will be too long before she is walking out of the door Bad song choice - bad choreography - bad styling and mediocre vocals.
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:14
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Based on that performance last night, I don`t think it will be too long before she is walking out of the door Bad song choice - bad choreography - bad styling and mediocre vocals.
It was pretty much a train wreck yet suprisingly the judges said little about it.

About the only think that had improved is that they had just about managed to shut her up with difficulty so to every comment from the judges we got the " I will take that on board"

I have never rated her singing and that performance convinced me I was right.

There were other train wrecks last night but equaly there were others that were way better.
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:18
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It was pretty much a train wreck yet suprisingly the judges said little about it.

About the only think that had improved is that they had just about managed to shut her up with difficulty so to every comment from the judges we got the " I will take that on board"

I have never rated her singing and that performance convinced me I was right.

There were other train wrecks last night but equaly there were others that were way better.
Sometimes I do wonder if the judges actually watch the same show as we do
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:25
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Sometimes I do wonder if the judges actually watch the same show as we do
You need to have a more intelligent way of looking at a performance to understand why Rachel never received any criticism..If you want to be quite simple in your approach, you would just say it was a crap performance and Rachel has weak vocals.

If, however you generally look a bit more deeper, you would say it was impossible for rachels singing voice to sound impressive when given a song & arrangement which go against Rachels talents, and naturally she has the best vocals in the competition.

When a individual artists starts a career, they sing the style they favour, and the style which suits their voice.....you won't see duffy or winehouse releasing an album of dance classics, just so they can attempt show off their versatility (as it would be a train wreck)

This is why the live shows aren't suited to a singer like Rachel, or Hannah, unless they have a mentor that fully "gets them".
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:28
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Based on that performance last night, I don`t think it will be too long before she is walking out of the door Bad song choice - bad choreography - bad styling and mediocre vocals.
We can't really blame her for song choice , choreography, styling because they are not down to her, and she wasn't happy with the song choice.
I agree about her vocals. I liked her audition a lot, but since, I have found her tone rough and unpleasant, and I don't understand why the judges are raving about her voice, unless they have heard a side to her that we haven't.
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:43
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We can't really blame her for song choice , choreography, styling because they are not down to her, and she wasn't happy with the song choice.
I agree about her vocals. I liked her audition a lot, but since, I have found her tone rough and unpleasant, and I don't understand why the judges are raving about her voice, unless they have heard a side to her that we haven't.
Chi, people can't be spoon fed the intelligence to understand why Rachel is so highly rated by the judges, you either understand, or you don't.
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:45
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Perhaps the problem is people on here.

Voices like Rachel's, Laura's and Diana's are the in thing with the charts at the moment which is why they are being rated so highly as they can be successful.

Maybe some are just not as in touch with the charts as others. I mean these guys on the panel are perfessionals who have been doing it for years. So they know what is in and what's not.

These three listed above are very much the in style of the moment.
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:48
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Perhaps the problem is people on here.

Voices like Rachel's, Laura's and Diana's are the in thing with the charts at the moment which is why they are being rated so highly as they can be successful.

Maybe some are just not as in touch with the charts as others. I mean these guys on the panel are perfessionals who have been doing it for years. So they know what is in and what's not.

These three listed above are very much the in style of the moment.
Yeah....I'd agree with this. TBH, I just cannot get Diana at all. I do, however, respect that several people adore her and her voice. So, there must be something about her! Something I don't get...LOL!
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:52
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Chi, people can't be spoon fed the intelligence to understand why Rachel is so highly rated by the judges, you either understand, or you don't.
Should I feel insulted, or am I misinterpreting your comment?
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:55
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She has a jazz/blues voice and that's what she should be singing (would fit her backstory too).
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:59
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Should I feel insulted, or am I misinterpreting your comment?
No, not insulted at all, yet you need to ask yourself why you don't understand.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:09
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No, not insulted at all, yet you need to ask yourself why you don't understand.
As you stated... probably lack of intelligence...
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:10
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As you stated... probably lack of intelligence...
But your humour is still intact
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:12
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She is trying too much to sound like Amy Winehouse. I think she has potential but also has the potential along with a couple of the others to be hugely irritating and that could cost her. She needs to tone down the talking.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:12
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Based on that performance last night, I don`t think it will be too long before she is walking out of the door Bad song choice - bad choreography - bad styling and mediocre vocals.
All true but might not have mattered so much if she'd delivered on the last. As for walking out...it's not like she's got a better offer.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:19
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Also, Rachel needed Simon as her mentor to stand any chance of winning x-factor, instead she ends up with IMO the worst mentor out of the four.
The same mentor who is the only mentor in the history of the show to get 2 of their own acts in the final 2?
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:19
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if she is serious about having a career in music?

IMO the performances and style of music that will make Rachel taken seriously as a performer, won't work on x-factor, and if she is stitched up again (like tonight) then she will never make it as a recording artist.

I am now starting to believe, it was for the best that Hannah never made it through, as both Hannah & Rachel have the type of voices, that need to be singing lyrics they believe in, or arrangements that suit their individuality.

Also, Rachel needed Simon as her mentor to stand any chance of winning x-factor, instead she ends up with IMO the worst mentor out of the four.
No idea what Hannah has to do with this, she's not through to the live shows...

But anyway.

Rachel, Diana, Laura and JLS (to a degree) all suffer from the same problem. Niche vocals, no matter how good they are, won't always fit with the various styles of music that X-Factor covers.

But at the same time its this "niche" sound that makes them interesting. Can they fit within the ABBA week theme? Who knows! I wouldn't have thought Diana would do very well on a U2 theme but she rocked With or Without You AND did it in her own style.

Its all down to how the artist (and mentor) re-interprets the song to suit their vocals. "Making the song your own" is a tired old saying but it is completely true if an artist with a distinct voice wants to get through a competition like this.

Rhydian, definitely one of the most distinctive voices to ever grace X-Factor, got it completely right last year. He wasn't my favourite act but he always made the theme work for him without it always sounding like he was just doing an operatic version of whatever song he had to sing that week (that's very lazy personalisation of a song, devoid of any originality or personality).

Rachel has this strong, gravelly, Jamaican dancehall twang to her voice, this is her strength and her weakness. She has to use it in a way that a predominantly conservative audience will understand and therefore vote for her. Dannii did well with this sort of challenge last year so I have faith.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:22
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The same mentor who is the only mentor in the history of the show to get 2 of their own acts in the final 2?
Simon was mentor to both of the finalists in X-Factor 3.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:28
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Simon was mentor to both of the finalists in X-Factor 3.
oops forgot about that

She isn't a bad mentor at all though, shes not the worst.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:35
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oops forgot about that

She isn't a bad mentor at all though, shes not the worst.
Louis is the worst atm. He is very inconsistent with his acts (always has been), finding something perfect one week then messing up the next.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:41
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It's her attitude..It stinks!!
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:02
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This is why the live shows aren't suited to a singer like Rachel, or Hannah, unless they have a mentor that fully "gets them".
I have to admit then when I realised Rachel would be mentored by Dannii I was really pi$$ed - because Dannii doesn't get anything!!

If she feels threatened by a better voice or look she goes out to mess it up for that person.

Perhaps we should be grateful that she is not mentoring the girls!!

Rachel does have an amazing voice (I equate her with Fantasia from the US version - different)... and I really do hope she goes well. She is proving how important this is to her with the change in attitude but I hope they don't make her a puppet!!
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:06
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Sometimes I do wonder if the judges actually watch the same show as we do
It sounds and looks different when you're there though
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:13
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I agree - Let Rachel walk out!

I certainly wouldn't miss her.
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