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Old 14-10-2008, 21:12
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...TV talent show winner? I applaud her for doing so well with 'Bleeding Love', but come on, Kelly Clarkson is still by far the most successful winner or contestant in general from any of the shows. The record sales and worldwide fame speak for themselves.

Just while we're on the subject, I'd also say that Kelly's a much stronger singer than Leona too. Her lower register is so much more stable and powerful (whereas Leona pretty much doesn't have one), yet she can go right up into the whistle register as well. She also has better breath control, more vocal power, and IMO a far better, more soulful tone to her voice. Compare their versions of 'Without You' for example.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=V2cloYou38s
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq1y_FRclbw

I dunno if anyone remembers the Xtra Facter following Leona's win, but Simon said Leona was the best, most talented winner from any of these shows, and the host asked, "Even better than Kelly Clarkson?", or something like that. 'Course, Simon was like, "Ummm...errr...", and Louis had to save him by saying that Leona was harder to work with. So yeah, I'd bet that Simon prefers Kelly's voice.

I'm not even taking stage presence and artistry into account here BTW.

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Old 14-10-2008, 21:16
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Don't think he's ever said that, but she is by far the most successful UK TV talent show winner. She's had the best start of any TV talent show winner too, Kelly didn't get huge until her second album.

Leona's lower register is fine. It wasn't that strong on the show but it's come on leaps and bounds now. Leona can get into the whistle register too and her higher notes are by far stronger than Kelly's. I also disagree a lot about breath control as Leona can sustain notes for much longer and Kelly tends to shout when she belts higher.

I dunno if anyone remembers the Xtra Facter following Leona's win, but Simon said Leona was the best, most talented winner from any of these shows, and the host asked, "Even better than Kelly Clarkson?", or something like that. 'Course, Simon was like, "Ummm...errr...", and Louis had to save him by saying that Leona was harder to work with. So yeah, I'd bet that Simon prefers Kelly's voice.
That's false. What actually happened was Ben asked "better than Kelly Clarkson?" and Simon replied "I'd rather work with Leona."
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:20
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Nope, I'm pretty sure it was Louis who piped that in. Simon just sat there stoney-faced. And even so, that's probably says more about Kelly in that she stands up for her music, rather than just singing whatever's given to her. It's what sets her apart from Lewis and Underwood.

And I recall him saying something along the lines of, 'from any of these shows'.
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:20
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She's the most successful of the UK winners. And her debut album is the most successful of any winner in the world apart from Carrie Underwood, and she might catch her up.

In 2 albums time, then it would be easier to compare Leona and Kelly's sales/chart performance. If Kelly keeps doing albums like "My December", it's not going to be hard for Leona (and indeed Carrie) to surpass her despite the 5 year head start. But it would appear that the new album is taking a different direction.

As for Simon's favourite... who knows. He used to be very complimentary about Kelly, less so since "My December". He also really liked Carrie Underwood from the auditions. But he has never raved about anyone quite like he has about Leona.

I prefer Leona's voice and I think her performances of "Summertime" and "I Will Always Love You" were her best and better than my 2 favourite Kelly performances. I think "Breakaway" is a better album than "Spirit". I think "Spirit" is miles better than "Thankful".
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:22
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Nope, I'm pretty sure it was Louis who piped that in. Simon just sat there stoney-faced. And even so, that's probably says more about Kelly in that she stands up for her music, rather than just singing whatever's given to her. It's what sets her apart from Lewis and Underwood.

And I recall him saying something along the lines of, 'from any of these shows'.
Simon 100% said "I'd rather work with Leona". I've seen it loads of times but it doesn't seem to be on Youtube. Louis has never even worked with Kelly before. (Probably not even met her.)
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:25
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She's the most successful of the UK winners. And her debut album is the most successful of any winner in the world apart from Carrie Underwood, and she might catch her up.
True, but Simon's comment still remains false.
In 2 albums time, then it would be easier to compare Leona and Kelly's sales/chart performance. If Kelly keeps doing albums like "My December", it's not going to be hard for Leona (and indeed Carrie) to surpass her despite the 5 year head start.
Exactly. But from what I've heard, Kelly's new album is going to be a lot different from MD - although it'll still have a lot of stuff written by Kelly. Carrie'll never surpass Kelly though, not worldwide.
As for Simon's favourite... who knows. He used to be very complimentary about Kelly, less so since "My December". He also really liked Carrie Underwood from the auditions. But he has never raved about anyone quite like he has about Leona.
I'm not so sure. This year on Idol, he made it clear that Kelly was 'by far' his favourite American Idol, and that they have so much to be thankful about because of her and her voice.
I prefer Leona's voice and I think her performances of "Summertime" and "I Will Always Love You" were her best and better than my 2 favourite Kelly performances. I think "Breakaway" is a better album than "Spirit". I think "Spirit" is miles better than "Thankful".
Personal opinion I suppose. I do think the singles from Thankful are better than those from Spirit, although it's not fair to compare the two, seeing as Kelly's was rather rushed, and the fact that the Idol franchise wasn't nearly as big back then meant that there wasn't as much effort put into it.
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:27
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Simon 100% said "I'd rather work with Leona". I've seen it loads of times but it doesn't seem to be on Youtube. Louis has never even worked with Kelly before. (Probably not even met her.)
Well, perhaps my memory's a bit off, but I distinctly remember Louis piping something up about Kelly not being easy to work with. It's not so hard to believe - Louis isn't exactly one not known for making slightly idiotic statements.
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:28
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Personal opinion I suppose. I do think the singles from Thankful are better than those from Spirit, although it's not fair to compare the two, seeing as Kelly's was rather rushed, and the fact that the Idol franchise wasn't nearly as big back then meant that there wasn't as much effort put into it.
But it's fair for you to compare a 5 year career with a 1 year career?
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:29
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It must be daunting for other acts when they know Simon has said that. Leona's a big act to follow. But, it's not her fault he says what he says and I guess for the UK, at least, Simon's just quoting fact?
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:30
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But it's fair for you to compare a 5 year career with a 1 year career?
All I'm trying to say is that Simon was fundamentally wrong in his statement.
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:34
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All I'm trying to say is that Simon was fundamentally wrong in his statement.
Do you have a source for this statment? I don't ever recall Simon saying ''she's the best singer to ever come out of any talent show including American Idol''

I remember him saying that her performance of Somewhere Over The Rainbow was the single best performance he has ever witnessed across all of the shows, but that was about one performance.. Never heard him say she was the best singer across any of the shows
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:34
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But Simon is right, also I think he means Leona is the most successful UK TV talent show winner ever, which, IMO, she is. The amount of records she has broke, and how popular she is.
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:36
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But it's fair for you to compare a 5 year career with a 1 year career?
Doesn't make any difference. It's a fact that Simon was incorrect.

Now, if he were to say "The most successful UK talent show winner in her first album" then year, he'd be right.
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:36
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It’s a UK show [X Factor] it’ll be a bit silly talking about a US show winner [American Idol].

Steve and Shayne haven't done as well as Leona so it makes perfect sense to me why he would use her as an example
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:36
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Do you have a source for this statment? I don't ever recall Simon saying ''she's the best singer to ever come out of any talent show including American Idol''

I remember him saying that her performance of Somewhere Over The Rainbow was the single best performance he has ever witnessed across all of the shows, but that was about one performance.. Never heard him say she was the best singer across any of the shows
It was on the initial show of the series. As he was flying down on the helicopter, he said something like "Leona Lewis is now the most successful reality television show winner in history".
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:38
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You cannot compare Leona and Kelly. The demographics are so different and length of career are miles apart.

Further, Kelly Clarkson was trounced (as was Will Young) in World Idol in 2003 by Norway's Kurt Nilsen.

Yet, Kurt has a huge career in Norway but nothing like Kelly or Leona's global success. You cannot compare these people.

FWIW, I like Kurt (well, I love Kurt), Kelly and Leona (in that order). They are all fab in their own ways.
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:39
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It’s a UK show [X Factor] it’ll be a bit silly talking about a US show winner [American Idol].

Steve and Shayne haven't done as well as Leona so it makes perfect sense to me why he would use her as an example
You aren't following what I'm saying. The fact that he called her the most successful ever is just plain untrue; Clarkson and (to my knowledge) Underwood are both more successful.

And to the person who mentioned popularity; it shouldn't matter really. She's more popular at the minute, but Chris Brown is more popular at this point than a huge amount of more successful singers and artists.
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:40
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I think Simon talking about the Xfactor only at this stage. I say from the UK Girls Alloud and Will Young are the most successful so far but give it a few years Leona will most likely be.
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:42
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It was on the initial show of the series. As he was flying down on the helicopter, he said something like "Leona Lewis is now the most successful reality television show winner in history".
''He said something like'' ...
Hardly a solid source of information are you, you don't have a source and the best you come up with is ''he said something like'' In that case, I would argue

"Leona Lewis is now the most successful reality television show winner in history''

Is something like

"Leona Lewis is now the most successful reality television show winner in British history''

Or something like

"Leona Lewis is the most successful X-Factor winner in history''

See where I'm going? 'Something like' means you don't remember his exact words but that's what you think he said, not what he definitely said
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:42
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I think Simon talking about the Xfactor only at this stage. I say from the UK Girls Alloud and Will Young are the most successful so far but give it a few years Leona will most likely be.

Exaclty, Leona hasn't been around longer yet, but she has broken records, give it another year or so and she will be even more successful.
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:44
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Exaclty, Leona hasn't been around longer yet, but she has broken records, give it another year or so and she will be even more successful.
That's just you making presumptions though. Simon said she was the most successful overall, and at this point she isn't. That's just pure fact.

And I'm pretty sure that was the statement he made. It's probably on YouTube or something, if anyone took the time to upload the whole first show.
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:45
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i think will young and girls aloud have been more successful in the uk (so far)

personally, i prefer kelly to leona. but then i prefer the more rocky music she sings to ballads
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:46
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So we're having this whole debate on an alleged comment.




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Old 14-10-2008, 21:46
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Leona is the most successful artist to come out of a U.K talent show and who's now one of the biggest artists in the world.
I don't have the exact quote but that's what he said recently in an interview.
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Old 14-10-2008, 21:47
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That's just you making presumptions though. Simon said she was the most successful overall, and at this point she isn't. That's just pure fact.

And I'm pretty sure that was the statement he made. It's probably on YouTube or something, if anyone took the time to upload the whole first show.

No it's not, it's the truth, Kelly has been around for years, Leona hasn't, you can't compare the two, Leona has had more success then most singers that have been around for years! She broke records.
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