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Old 14-10-2008, 23:06
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Published: 15 Oct 2008

A BOMBSHELL is about to explode at the Brits.

Leading contender for the Outstanding Contribution award next year is X Factor supremo SIMON COWELL — a man who has never written a song.

The controversial choice will polarise the music industry, much of which despises Cowell’s brand of manufactured pop.

Previous winners include legends PAUL McCARTNEY, DAVID BOWIE, FLEETWOOD MAC, U2, STING, TOM JONES, PAUL WELLER, THE BEE GEES and OASIS.

GEORGE MICHAEL was originally lined up for the award after hanging up his mic following his 25 Live tour.

But his erratic evening antics have seen his name scored off the list.

Multi-millionaire music mogul Simon has been sounded out by the Brits Committee — a panel of the great and good in the music industry — to see if he would accept the gong.

And Mr Nasty was extremely positive about the approach, telling them he would love to take a bow at the glittering Earls Court bash next February.

A source said: “If Cowell gets the big gong it will cause an almighty stink in the music game.

“He will be the first svengali to win rather than an artist — the publicity worldwide would be enormous.

“X Factor is looking like it is having another weak year in terms of new stars so he is open to the idea.

“The timing is perfect to highlight the success of LEONA LEWIS in the US.”

I suppose it is one way to make sure Leona turns up at the February ceremony and, er, WESTLIFE.

And in his defence, Simon does have the biggest influence on the charts today.

Critics would argue ZIG & ZAG, THE POWER RANGERS, STEVE BROOKSTEIN, MICHELLE McMANUS and ROBSON and JEROME is not the greatest of rosters.

Perhaps this should be the year for rock lords LED ZEPPELIN or PINK FLOYD to be recognised.

Zep have been massively influential with bands such as KINGS OF LEON, RACONTEURS and OASIS and the death of Floyd founder member RICHARD WRIGHT should be marked in some way.

It will be a spectacular U-turn by the high-trousered one if he does show up.

Back in 2002 he said: “I hate the Brit Awards. The whole voting system is peculiar.

“The Brits is the most boring night of my life. Same people, same outfits, same gossip.”

You only sing when you’re winning, eh Simon?
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:09
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How could that happen... he never went to the Brit School!

But he would no doubt love it. He'd probably get booed when he went up and love it even more just to see the fury in the faces of the critics.
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:11
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About time Kate Bush was awarded this honour....a person who is truly deserving it!!!

Not Simon "plastic pop music" Cowell...
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:13
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About time Kate Bush was awarded this honour....a person who is truly deserving it!!!

Not Simon "plastic pop music" Cowell...
True, ther are LOTS of deserving singers.

Love or loathe though, you cannot deny the massive impact he has had all around the world.
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:16
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I can see a lot of them booing him and the Brits has also not been as big last couple of years so am sure they would love the publicity and attention. He has had a big impact on the industry though, aside from Leona, hes pretty much wrecked it!
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:17
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True, ther are LOTS of deserving singers.

Love or loathe though, you cannot deny the massive impact he has had all around the world.
I actually like Simon Cowell and (nearly always agree with what he says.....but outstanding contribution to British music.......not impressed!!


What really has he given us .....apart fron Leona Lewis!!



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Old 14-10-2008, 23:18
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I'm looking forward to him performing the closing set then...
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:19
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I'm looking forward to him performing the closing set then...



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Old 14-10-2008, 23:24
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I'm looking forward to him performing the closing set then...
LOL, more than likely be a Leona/Westlife duet or something.

Maybe zig and zag could do backing vocals!
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:26
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I can see a lot of them booing him and the Brits has also not been as big last couple of years so am sure they would love the publicity and attention. He has had a big impact on the industry though, aside from Leona, hes pretty much wrecked it!
The Brits has enjoyed a bit of a resurgence since it went live again. Russell Brand and the Osbournes catastrophe have brought huge publicity for the past 2 years. Having something as unlikely as Cowell winning the award would add to it.

Although as I said, the booing from the sorts that would be attending would probably be the icing on the cake! Opening lines for his acceptance speech just to rile them up a bit more? Perhaps "I remember when Robson and Jerome beat Blur to #1..."

I think he is incredibly successful, but I've never bought the nonsense that Pop Idol/ X Factor have ruined the industry because I think it is surely far bigger than one person ever could be. I think it's just lazy excuses from those who are failing to connect with the public or have a rigid and snobby view of what music is "right" and what isn't. It's not as though PI/XF winners have flooded the music scene in recent years and it has been all about the "boys with skinny jeans and guitars" through that period suggesting XF's impact overall is quite limited.

Il Divo and Westlife would be fighting it out to get the closing duet with Leona!
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:30
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I can see a lot of them booing him and the Brits has also not been as big last couple of years so am sure they would love the publicity and attention. He has had a big impact on the industry though, aside from Leona, hes pretty much wrecked it!
Actually he pretty much saved it, SONY/BMG anyway.

While the rest or the record industry collapsed SONY is the only record company that makes a profit and of all SONY's profits comes from Syco's drive into mutimedia.

It's those profits that allow SONY to fund investment in A&Ring new talent. Something thats been noted by some of those new artists like Newton Faulkner and the Streets.
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:31
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About time Kate Bush was awarded this honour....a person who is truly deserving it!!!

Not Simon "plastic pop music" Cowell...
Love Kate Bush. Why hasn't she had this?

TBH, this is not a good thing. Not for Simon or the programme.
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:32
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Hope this doesn't happen as I don't want Leona to have a reason to attend this year.

(Yes I'm still bitter. )
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:33
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I think he is incredibly successful, but I've never bought the nonsense that Pop Idol/ X Factor have ruined the industry. I think it's just lazy excuses from those who are failing to connect with the public or have a rigid and snobby view of what music is "right" and what isn't. It's not as though PI/XF winners have flooded the music scene in recent years and it has been all about the "boys with skinny jeans and guitars" through that period suggesting XF's impact overall is quite limited.
I'd agree he hasn't totally stopped other non-XF artists from having a chance, but hes completely ruined the whole Xmas no 1 thing. No way his act can't fail to get that even if just a few percent of XF's viewers bought the song. I also think in general he has contributed a lot to the increase in the younger acts becoming a lot less developed and more expendable. A lot of the record companies just bring people in, hype them, get a quick album, drop em - used to be a lot more commitment to A&R
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:34
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Actually he pretty much saved it, SONY/BMG anyway.

While the rest or the record industry collapsed SONY is the only record company that makes a profit and of all SONY's profits comes from Syco's drive into mutimedia.

It's those profits that allow SONY to fund investment in A&Ring new talent. Something thats been noted by some of those new artists like Newton Faulkner and the Streets.
Yea financially totally agree, creatively tho?? There are some acts that have come through as a result of it but far more bad ones.
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:36
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Hope this doesn't happen as I don't want Leona to have a reason to attend this year.

(Yes I'm still bitter. )
Awwwwww. Maybe this year? Apart from the Scowell Award?
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:39
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Yea financially totally agree, creatively tho?? There are some acts that have come through as a result of it but far more bad ones.
What bad ones have come through ?

Natural selection weeds them out rather quickly.

and would you really prefer Mr Blobby as the Xmas #1?
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:50
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What bad ones have come through ?

Natural selection weeds them out rather quickly.

and would you really prefer Mr Blobby as the Xmas #1?
Most of the reality ones ... Leon, Paul Potts, Ray Quinn, Andy Abrahams. All could be found easily elswhere at showcases and things. None would have got deals away from XF.

But yes, the non-reality acts, some of them haven't been that bad. He hasn't had that much to do with them creatively though has he, or is he still at BMG???

I would like something chrismassy at christmas, ideally from a good artist though. They have enough writers all over the world to write something seasonal for the XF winner - be a bit nicer IMO than having things like Moment Like This, Believe, Against All Odds.
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:51
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I'd agree he hasn't totally stopped other non-XF artists from having a chance, but hes completely ruined the whole Xmas no 1 thing. No way his act can't fail to get that even if just a few percent of XF's viewers bought the song. I also think in general he has contributed a lot to the increase in the younger acts becoming a lot less developed and more expendable. A lot of the record companies just bring people in, hype them, get a quick album, drop em - used to be a lot more commitment to A&R
The Xmas #1 thing is another one that's overhyped IMO. Indeed before X Factor started going for it, often it would be the worst work of Cowell or something similar that snatched the spot. Musically, it isn't any great loss. Some of the best didn't even make #2.

Although admittedly the "race" has been lost which was occasionally amusing. But all it takes is some decent competition and it will be back on. Leon's sales last Christmas weren't totally out there and Brookstein lost out to Band Aid 20 (even worse than most of the following XF winners!). The recent competition has been a Westlife duet with Diana Ross and Nizlopi singing about a JCB!

The latter point is relevant to Cowell although it is an issue that plagues an industry where tastes seem to move on so quickly and one which I expect to see happen all over again with the recent indie crop as pop possibly takes over again. The Kooks, Razorlight et al were all selling millions a 2 years ago, they won't even be close now so one wonders how long they have. What might have been pushed as "indie" 18 months ago (Scouting for Girls, The Script, Ting Tings) are now being labelled straight pop. (but I am veering off topic)

I actually think this "quick turnover" has been more relevant in his recent years with the mothers day albums. Ray Quinn was only ever offered one album for example. In terms of the 90's "sign, record, promote, drop" with the girl/boybands, he has a mixed record. Groups like Five and A1 managed about 6 years between them, but (perhaps unfortunately!) Westlife have become possibly the only one of them that have been held on to for 10 years. Acts from XF/BGT now seem to go into Syco either as a long term act like Leona/Il Divo and possibly even Leon and Rhydian or else a "one-off" like Ray or recently, Andrew Johnston. I'll be interested to see where Escala go within that.
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:53
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Hope this doesn't happen as I don't want Leona to have a reason to attend this year.

(Yes I'm still bitter. )



She might be nominated for Forgive Me in the best single category so she might have to go.

No way she'll win though as Take That are releasing their new single and their fans have a lot more (too much if you ask me ) to spend on voting!
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:56
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Most of the reality ones ... Leon, Paul Potts, Ray Quinn, Andy Abrahams. All could be found easily elswhere at showcases and things. None would have got deals away from XF.

But yes, the non-reality acts, some of them haven't been that bad. He hasn't had that much to do with them creatively though has he, or is he still at BMG???

I would like something chrismassy at christmas, ideally from a good artist though. They have enough writers all over the world to write something seasonal for the XF winner - be a bit nicer IMO than having things like Moment Like This, Believe, Against All Odds.
Yeah, something I've argued before.

Most of the dissent would go away if they could come up with a good xmas song for the winner.
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Old 14-10-2008, 23:59
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Yeah, something I've argued before.

Most of the dissent would go away if they could come up with a good xmas song for the winner.
It would be nice to have a Christmas song. I'd think they have looked around for one, because a decent one would obviously sell huge amounts. But maybe they just need to look harder!

I hope it isn't a cover this year, even in the form of "A Moment Like This"... apparently "This Is My Now" has been tipped to be the winners song but I'd like something new at least. Ideally, something Christmassy.
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Old 15-10-2008, 00:15
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I hope it isn't a cover this year, even in the form of "A Moment Like This"... apparently "This Is My Now" has been tipped to be the winners song but I'd like something new at least. Ideally, something Christmassy.
Well if the internet/youtube popularity is anything to go by, and they know Laura/Diana are favourites (as opposed to how well they may be editing the others on screen as contenders to build a bit of drama) "This Is My Now" does seem an obvious choice.

What's the deal with them re-using winners songs? Is it that they had bought the rights to songs outright so they can use them over and over, knowing how much theyre guaranteed to sell and stack up royalties or is it more they're written by in-house people or something?
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Hahaha!

They've nicked this "rumour" from Jonathan King's website - it's a pisstake!
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Old 15-10-2008, 00:23
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What's the deal with them re-using winners songs? Is it that they had bought the rights to songs outright so they can use them over and over, knowing how much theyre guaranteed to sell and stack up royalties or is it more they're written by in-house people or something?
"This Is My Now" was by some semi-professional songwriters who won a songwriting competition for American Idol so I don't think there is any cost or connection with Cowell there. "A Moment Like This" was by one of Simon's favoured writers, Jorgen Elofsson who writes loads of winners songs around the world now. He also wrote "That's My Goal" and I think co-wrote "Evergreen". Steve Mac produces them all, I think.

You would think that with all the ballads Cowell must hear in one year, they could spot one half decent original that would work well as the winners single?!
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