Thank you, I was about to post that. I thought I was over that until this thread reminded me. We can't know but please can we not make assumptions about the public vote that night. There should have been 3 in the final - I really hope we get 3 this year.

Undermarked - I think Jill (except jive), Denise and Aled don't get credit for how good they were in series 2, and James's ballroom in series 3.

SCD-O - Tom/Gethin ballroom. It's difficult because I loved Gethin's ballroom so much, especially VW (AS was a tiny bit disappointing mainly because of the song). I think Tom will dance the VW very well, but he'll need to do a lot of work on his facial expression before he sells me on the romance. Obviously he's an actor so he can do it, but that face he pulls is killing his dances for me so far. Obviously we differ, though, as I thought his AS was good but not as good as it should have been, mainly because of his lack of connection to Camilla, his hands and that high-eyebrow, tight mouth expression (which I'm sure will go in the weeks to come). (I do think it deserved more points than Lisa and Brendan's.)

I really don't want any more enemies even when I visit forums. I do like Gethin and his journey in last year's SCD.

To be sure, Tom DOES have an advantage that he clearly has dance talent at the outset compared with Gethin. Going by him being an actor, however, it is DISAPPOINTING that Tom should have such a disagreeable expression when doing a romantic routine such as an AS. I respectfully disagree about Tom's hands though. It was horrible to look at in his cha-cha, but he quickly rectified it in his jive and by the time he did the AS, it was very good to look at.

Sorry for this apparently constant derailing from the topic at hand... Apologies to all concerned...

Undermarked, Brian and Heather's salsa .

Am I right in thinking that Alesha never got a 40? and Mark and Karens AT, craig should have gone for the 10 as well.

To answer your question about Alesha: yes, she never got perfect 40. BUT she did get the most tens in the history of SCD, some of which I think was not deserved. Just to let you know, I supported Alesha last year.

I am not arguing with you about the dancing at all everyone is entitled to their opinion I was arguing against this point Gethin would probably get the highest public vote the following week, leaving Alesha and Matt in the bottom two, and Matt would DEFINITELY be voted off even with a perfect 40 score. The judges will NOT lose Alesha for the finals. There was no way once he was bottom of the leader board that he could be voted straight through with only 3 left thats all I was saying.

Actually I agree with you the Judges definately did NOT want to loose Alesha from the final thats why Gethin HAD to be bottom of the leader board that night, but that really IS old sores and my last comment on it.

I hope I am not seen as arguing with anyone. If I was, I sincerely apologise again to all concerned.

Agree we should stop this now and think happy thoughts...

This year's overmarking so far: Lisa's AS for sure. Actually, with such horrible music that James has chosen for his AS, I actually feel he deserved to be penalised (marked lower, not Cherie's fault I must add) to be taught a lesson about his bizarre musical taste...

The 40pts awarded for what was an obviously flawed waltz (I was listening to PJ on the red button commentary but even a novice like me didn't need his take on it) shut the door firmly in Gethin and Camilla's face, and she certainly knew it as her face clearly showed. Matt was competent, certainly nothing more, and wore the expression of a startled rabbit throughout...Galling for any Gethin fan who had constantly heard about 'performance' and 'living the dance'. If an idiot like me could see that, why couldn't they?

SCD-observer used the J word

*hangs head in shame*

You must have been listening to a different commentary to me then?

Have enjoyed reading other peoples opinions on this thread

Coming from a judges point of view (but completely unrelated sports) you could argue that no-one is undermarked or overscored on a particular days competition so long as the judge has placed the contestants in the right order (in their opinion) for that particular days competition
However, coming from the CRH school of judging I do believe that the full range of marks should be used, if deserved, and thus believe that far more dances have been over- rather than undermarked because Len and Bruno are far too keen to get thir 10 paddles out, particularly in the last series. I do wonder when they look back at the end of the day having given, for example, 3 dances a 10, whether they think that all the dances were equal, or whether one was actually better than the others? Certainly I like to go and look at the scoreboard at the end of a competition to make sure that I have got the order right (in my opinion - I'm sure the competitors/lspectators will say otherwise!).
Having said that, I have never had to score a competition with only one mark, which is very restricting. At least if you can give 2 marks, one technical and one artistic, both contestants and viewers can see why a particular judge has ranked one contestant ahead of another

Having waffled on for me examples of overscoring
Len's 8s for Matt in meltdown week - particularly the foxtrot was a shocker
the 40 for Matt's waltz - was watching that with a group of people (dancers included) and not one person thought it was a 40 dance. (sorry it sounds like I'm anti Matt, when I actually liked most of his dances)
Len's 10 for John Barnes hunched salsa
Bruno's 10 for Kellys AS

Struggling more to think of dances that have been undermarked and would probably(like some others) go back to series 2 and especially Aled in the SF
Wouldn't have minded if Craig had managed to get his 10 paddle out for Mark and Karens AT as that was an excellent performance

No enemies here, promise.

I'll believe you on the hands, I'm not a dancer, but something 'flat' about them struck me as a bit odd. Certainly though, his AS wasn't overmarked, in comparison to other dances on Saturday, so I shouldn't go on about it here. Lisa and Brendan's, although an improvement, was, and going from their kindness to L&B, their rudeness to Heather ('the only good thing about that was the end') really upset me on Saturday.

I do think though, just to try and be on topic, that being overmarked is the fastest way to lose the public vote, so though these dances we're listing may seem like they had an unfair advantage, I think it's the worst thing that can happen to any couple.

I'm not going to pinpoint any dances that were overmarked last year, as there are too many to list, most weeks there was at least one...

...but definitely undermarked would be Matt & Flavias Salsa, that deserved a 40 instead of the 38 that it actually got.

Overmarked - the horrendous Bunton paso that left me shrieking with laughter at the faces she was pulling throughout it!

Also Len's 8's for Matt DiA in his meltdown week - how Len can justify giving an 8 to someone who forgets half the routine and stumbles blindly through the other half of it I do not know.... And while I did enjoy it, there is no way his waltz was worth 40. Alesha's was miles better.

Undermarked - have never forgiven Craig for not giving the incredible AT by Mark and Karen a 10.

I know I thought the 10 for John Barne's salsa was a bit odd especially as Matts only scored a 9 from Len. I also thought the 10 for Gethin's paso was a bit out there too - to be fair so did he judging by his reaction.

The only other dance I think was probably undermarked was Mark and Karens AT, otherwise I have to rely on the judges and their opinions.

Most overmarked dance: Kelly and brendan's American Smooth. A ten? in Week 3??? Tied with Louisa and Vincents Jive. Someone needs to 'borrow' Bruno's 10 till at least week 6!

Most undermarked dance: john and Kristina's Samba- Cute, fun and really party-ish. deservad way more than 17 points!

I never noticed that before! Were they in the same week? How crazy!

Len's marking is getting odder and odder....

No Don't think they were the same week - but how was John's better than Matts.

Hmmmm .......

I'd need to watch John's again, but as I remember both dances, Matt's was in a different league (can't say I cared for the shimmying though, on a personal level).

Perhaps someone should 'ask Len'

Emma Bunton's salsa was overmarked- didn't have a salsa feel to it- certainly compared to Mark and Karen's
It ended up looking like a Cha Cha

I thought Jodie was undermarked in that she ended up in the wrong position on the leader board on Saturday.

It seems that as far as the 10's are concerned that in the final weeks it's compulsary to litter then about the scores, whether the dance merits it or not, just because.

I think that people can live with a rouge overmarking, but when it's week on week and done apparently to protect certain celebs, that's when irritation sets in and the minute that there are few enough couples left for the public vote to be able reverse the higher placings they will be gone. Protection without public support usually means finishing around 3rd place (Zoe and Emma in particular).

Undermarked = Alesha and Matthew's Waltz, AS and V. Waltz
Zoe and Ian's Tango
Matt and Flav's Salsa
Letitia and Darren's Paso
Jill and Darren's Paso
Geth's and Cam's Waltz

Overmarked = Geth's and Cam's Paso, Jive and AS
Emma and Darren's Cha Cha
Matt and Flav's Waltz
Matt and Alesha's Samba

Most undermarked:

All of Jill's latin except her jive
Alesha Viennese Waltz and Quickstep (I think they should have both received 40)
Louisa's Paso
Aled's Samba
Carol Smillie's Cha cha
Matt Dawson's AS & Foxtrot
Schmeichel's Tango & VW
Ramps AT & Samba

Overmarked:

Emma's Paso
Gethin's AS
Matt DiA's Waltz, AS & Salsa
Alesha's Cha Cha
Kenny's AS
Lisa's AS
Kelly's AS

No John's was week 6. Matt's was week 8.

Personally I still prefer John's, Matt's was probably technically better but I found both him and Flavia cold wheras the Barnsey salsa had me dancing about my living room.

I loved John's salsa. Up there with Mavia's in the enjoyment stakes.