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Old 28-10-2008, 12:04
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Have picked up BBC Radio Shropshire as far north as Bolton and down to just north of Bristol before now on 96.0mhz
oooo got that 1 added to the list

quite strong here as well with a little hiss
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Old 28-10-2008, 13:33
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I have picked up Real Radio 106.2 on a mobile phone on the A610 off Junction 26 of the M1. Also when down on the South Coast I had Invicta with RDS on my mobile phone which is a Sony W300i up on the hills north of Rottingdean near Falmer if anyone knows them parts.
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Old 28-10-2008, 15:28
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I agree with Martin, Jackie has an amazing signal, which is good, as its so much better than Heart music wise. I listen to it in Central London without any probs and I know of people listening to it in north west london absolutely fine in the car
Aye, I listen to it in SE London in the car - a blessing really, as if Time 106.8 became the Radio Jackie of SE London their RAJARs would show some movement.

I've heard it said that they've got a very favourable antenna, and the site isn't half bad!
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Old 28-10-2008, 21:53
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I have picked up Real Radio 106.2 on a mobile phone on the A610 off Junction 26 of the M1.
That area gets better reception from the yorkshire regionals than the East Midlands ones - my car radio will tune to Galaxy 105.1 and Real Radio, but not the East Midlands versions of Heart and Smooth (the West Midlands ones are okay though).

Lincs FM 102.2 gets around a bit, easily picked up in Nottinghamshire (doesn't get across to the west of the M1 though!) I've picked it up well into Norfolk and even in York...
When I used to live just east of the Ice Arena in Nottingham I could get Galaxy 102.2 with the aerial mounted vertically, and Lincs 102.2 with it horizontally
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Old 28-10-2008, 22:10
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oooo got that 1 added to the list

quite strong here as well with a little hiss
Radio Shropshire does keep going for miles - on a good radio it can be heard right across Warwickshire, the far side of Birmingham. Beacon from the same site doesn't cover nearly as large an area (although it can still be heard around Warks in places).

Also, I just looked at Jack FM's official coverage area that someone linked to here - it's completely absurd really that OFCOM still stick to these parameters - I can hear Jack FM very easily inside a coach - on a phone radio - going up the M40 well before getting to Oxford, probably at least 10 miles or so out. Admittedly this is not in perfect stereo, but then this is on a short piece of wire inside a large metal bus.
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Old 28-10-2008, 23:15
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I think that many of the torrestrial service maps are just predicted and not the genuine TSA as such.
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Old 28-10-2008, 23:45
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Radio Leicester on 104.9 has good coverage

Radio Cymru 104.3 is another massive signal.

Yes...both stations give a whopping signal with BBC Leicester covering most of the West Midlands and Staffordshire as well as it's own TSA which is the East Midlands.

BBC Cymru (104.3) can be heard pretty much solid along the M6 spaghetti junction (Birmingham) up to Blackpool...and probably further NW than that.

I can get BOTH stations where i am now in full RDS stereo!
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Old 29-10-2008, 00:35
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I think that many of the torrestrial service maps are just predicted and not the genuine TSA as such.
You're confusing predicted and/or measured coverage areas (MCA) with total survey areas (TSA)...

The service area maps shown on Ofcom's website are not TSA's, they are MCA's (either predicted, measured or a combination of both). TSA's are what radio stations and RAJAR use for marketing and surveying purposes. It doesn't mean that a particular part of a TSA will get an 'acceptable' signal (i.e. 54dBuV/m or greater). MCAs are what Ofcom have actually measured or predicted to be at 54dBuV/m or greater. These tend to be smaller than TSAs. In fact, at the bottom left of each Ofcom map, it states it is an MCA.

While Ofcom, the BBC, Arqiva, etc still work to 54dBuV/m, or 500uV terminated voltage, for 'acceptable'/good stereo coverage (as set in ITU rec. 412) , a lot of todays radio will still provide good results at far less field strengths (e.g. at around 8dB less), which is less than the figure for good mono coverage (which is set at 48dBuV/m or 250uV terminated voltage). This will give the apparence that a service area is much bigger than that which is predicted and/or measured to 54dBuV/m.
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Old 29-10-2008, 01:14
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I suppose the best way to look at it, is to compare the power output of a station, versus the distance in which is covers from one end to the other.

Probably the best is Signal One (4kW) - 120 miles from Birmingham to Preston (at reasonable signal levels).

The London stations do pretty well (or, at least, used to) - from the Downs just north of Brighton to Milton Keynes, around 110 miles.
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Old 29-10-2008, 01:54
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I suppose the best way to look at it, is to compare the power output of a station, versus the distance in which is covers from one end to the other.
You can't really guage it on power versus distance alone, as you also have to take in to account how high the antenna system is (either above ground level, or above sea level), plus local topography. I mean, you could have 100W fed in to an antenna system which is only 30m asl over flat land (i.e. like the Fens, Broads, etc) and that may get out better than a system which has 100W fed in to it at 100m asl over hilly terrain (i.e. like that in Scotland, Yorkshire Moors, Wales, etc).

In fact I've known RSLs to have 25W from an antenna system at 126m asl and only manage 5-6 miles in hilly areas, yet known a 10W from 60m asl manage a greater distance over flat(ish) land, meaning antenna height and topography do play a part in how far a station 'gets out'
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Old 29-10-2008, 02:01
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I suppose the best way to look at it, is to compare the power output of a station, versus the distance in which is covers from one end to the other.

Probably the best is Signal One (4kW) - 120 miles from Birmingham to Preston (at reasonable signal levels).

The London stations do pretty well (or, at least, used to) - from the Downs just north of Brighton to Milton Keynes, around 110 miles.
I have no idea how you are recieving Signal 1 from Birmingham to Preston?

Even using a decent car radio - I lose Signal 1 between Cheshire and Manchester when driving from Birmingham.

Even from Birmingham to Cheshire is superb for 4KW.

If you drive from Birmingham to Preston...Beacon (97.2) covers a decent distance and when you start to completely lose Beacon...in comes 'Rock' on 97.4.

Travelling from the NW to Birmingham....Rock (97.4) starts to break up badly very near the sign "Birmingham 49" - so Rock FM has a decent output...then retune to 97.2 and Beacon starts to come in nicely.

If anyone has ever been to Beacon Radio's TX site...the height is quite worrying if you suffer from vertigo.lol
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Old 29-10-2008, 02:19
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If anyone has ever been to Beacon Radio's TX site...the height is quite worrying if you suffer from vertigo.lol
75m agl/341m asl (at 1kW HP + 1kW VP) is nothing compared to some stations, like that which is used by Cool FM in the Belfast area (232m agl/533m asl at 1.34kW HP + 1.84kW VP)
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Old 29-10-2008, 07:34
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Probably the best is Signal One (4kW) - 120 miles from Birmingham to Preston (at reasonable signal levels).
I would have thought the North West stations (Smooth, Century, Rock FM) would have a larger coverage area end to end - Cumbria to Stoke-on-Trent with ease.

I have no idea how you are recieving Signal 1 from Birmingham to Preston?

Even using a decent car radio - I lose Signal 1 between Cheshire and Manchester when driving from Birmingham.
When I was younger and we travelled from Oxfordshire to Preston a lot we used to listen to Fox FM from South Oxon to south Birmingham, BRMB round Brum, then flick back to 102.6 and Signal 1 after the M54 junction, which we could listen too until we got to the Bamber Bridge junction of the M6 - nowadays coverage is slightly worse as it drops out round Wigan (thanks to Wish), but you can just about get it in Preston (alongside BBC Radio Leeds on 102.7) - all on standard fit Ford Escort/Fiesta radios
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Old 29-10-2008, 08:50
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I would have thought the North West stations (Smooth, Century, Rock FM) would have a larger coverage area end to end - Cumbria to Stoke-on-Trent with ease.
Yep, Century on 105.4 does Stafford to Carlisle.
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Old 29-10-2008, 10:39
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should Rock FM be beamed from Winter Hill ?? or does it cover the entire area
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Old 29-10-2008, 10:42
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should Rock FM be beamed from Winter Hill ?? or does it cover the entire area
Rock is beamed North West and has a similar signal in that direction to Century. Anywhere South or East of Winter Hill though and Century is much stronger.

97.4 is probably a clearer frequency down towards Stoke than 105.4 though so I doubt there's much difference around there.
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Old 29-10-2008, 11:22
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I think that Rock FM's antenna is pointing towards the Liverpool area.

Agreed with Andy Carlton, 104.3 cymru is an extremely good signal and can be heard anywhere in Manchester with a very good clear signal, not bad for the west of Wrexham.

I can also hear an Irish station on 101.4 most days although the signal isn't as strong.
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Old 29-10-2008, 19:41
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Rock is beamed North West and has a similar signal in that direction to Century. Anywhere South or East of Winter Hill though and Century is much stronger.

97.4 is probably a clearer frequency down towards Stoke than 105.4 though so I doubt there's much difference around there.
Indeed it is, rather clear round there unlike Century which takes a battering from Leicester Sound.
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Old 29-10-2008, 20:48
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BBC Radio Devon belts in in most places (can easily get stereo and RDS) I've been in Cornwall.

That said, I can get the NOW Plymouth multiplex quite effectively where I live, too.
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Old 29-10-2008, 20:51
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Indeed it is, rather clear round there unlike Century which takes a battering from Leicester Sound.
Century comes in very clearly in much of Stoke, while Rock FM is non-existent.
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Old 30-10-2008, 08:47
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....thats because Century are using omnidir and Rock are directional.
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Old 02-11-2008, 11:16
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Also Garrison FM 107.0 from Colchester seem to get out quite well and Saint FM 94.7 get out OK and am able to pick it up most of the time here unless there is tropo when a French station comes in.
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Old 02-11-2008, 14:54
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96.4fm The Wave can be heard in North Devon.

I can get in Swansea:
Pirate FM
Atlantic FM
Radio Pembrokeshire

Is Swansea under Radio Carmarthenshire's Official coverage area ?
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Old 02-11-2008, 15:11
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Radio Leeds 102.7 from Keighley is audible across a much larger part of West Yorkshire than it's meant to be
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Old 02-11-2008, 15:52
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Kiss 105 106.4 has a massive signal and covers the TSA well.
Yes, on my old hi-fi system the 106.4 signal would usually be better than the Norwich 106.1 signal!
Radio 1 98.8 from Wrotham kent goes for ever at least 200 miles.
Have picked it up in Norfolk to.
Ah, so maybe that's why I picked up Radio 3 from Wrotham on 91.3 in my parents' car even when there was no lift!
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