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Old 28-10-2008, 20:57
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We have just bought a new gas cooker and the shop advised us that we need a corgi registered fitter to install it. I can't understand why this is, as we have a bayonet type connector, which surely was made to interchange cookers. I 'plugged' in the last cooker ok, so why not now?
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Old 28-10-2008, 21:08
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Well, if the life of you and your family is not important to you then fit it yourself. If it is pay for it to be fitted properly.

Even the smallest of gas leaks can kill.
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Old 28-10-2008, 21:10
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It's legal to have it fit by Corgi registered - If you didn't connect it properly and there was a gas leak, it could lead to an explosion that could affect not only your house but your neighbour(s). Best to get it done professionally just in case.
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Old 28-10-2008, 21:13
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We have just bought a new gas cooker and the shop advised us that we need a corgi registered fitter to install it. I can't understand why this is, as we have a bayonet type connector, which surely was made to interchange cookers. I 'plugged' in the last cooker ok, so why not now?
Tell me how you will test for leaks ?

How will you test the working pressure ?

Are you up on any regulation changes ?

Do you know what the basic regs are for gas cooker installations the ones that arent listed in your instruction book ?

Finally connection points are required to be in different locations for different cookers so need pipework adjustments usually for the bayonet connection to be in the correct position.

Bayonet connections are for existing installations and can be used for disconnecting and reconnecting an existing cooker but not for a new installation by a non-competent installer.
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Old 28-10-2008, 21:17
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It's legal to have it fit by Corgi registered -
You only have to be corgi registered if its part of your business or you are doing it for reward, other than that anybody can do gas work as long as they are competant.
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Old 28-10-2008, 21:23
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If I understand you correct OP you have bought a new cooker with an identical attachment to your existing one.

This being the case to connect your new cooker it is simply (i use the word carefully) a case of unplugging one an plugging in another.

This is not the same as installing a gas installation which is why I believe the retailer 'advised' you to get it installed by a CORGI gas fitter as opposed to being more catagorical

The law is quite clear that any gas installation has to be carried out by a CORGI engineer, however I dont think this applies here.

Having said this, it is best to err on the side of caution I would ring around a few engineers to get some quotes.

It may conspire that you have a latent defect that is not apparent to the layman.
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Old 28-10-2008, 21:25
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Thanks, point taken. I won't be doing it myself this time.
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Old 28-10-2008, 21:50
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If I understand you correct OP you have bought a new cooker with an identical attachment to your existing one.
Cookers do not come with the hose fitted.

This being the case to connect your new cooker it is simply (i use the word carefully) a case of unplugging one an plugging in another.

This is not the same as installing a gas installation which is why I believe the retailer 'advised' you to get it installed by a CORGI gas fitter as opposed to being more catagorical

The law is quite clear that any gas installation has to be carried out by a CORGI engineer, however I dont think this applies here.
It does apply here as its a new installation, you clearly have no idea about the rules on gas installations so should not be attempting to give advice on these situations.

A cooker installation is NEVER a case of simply disconnecting one and reconnecting another one, tests must be done and professional equipment used to do these tests, and to buy what you need would more than likely cost as much as having it done properly, not to mention the actual training needed to know how to use it.
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Old 28-10-2008, 21:58
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It will only cost about 20 quid...no worries!
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Old 28-10-2008, 21:59
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It will only cost about 20 quid...no worries!
If it does only cost that I wouldnt use them.
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Old 28-10-2008, 22:44
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It will only cost about 20 quid...no worries!
You're kidding right??? I asked a firm locally (who I might add I knew through work, and we did a LOT of business with them) and they said 80. No 'mates rates' or owt.

It seems like a lot of money, but if you asked all those families who'd lost loved ones in fires and exploasions due to shonky fittings, they'd pay in a heartbeat I'm sure. You can't put a price on peace of mind.
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Old 29-10-2008, 13:18
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There was a recent law change that means all cookers have to be installed by CORGI fitters - my landlords sent me a load of paperwork on it when I moved in to my new flat in June.

Luckily for me, they sorted mine for me as it done as part of my moving in package. But my neighbours bought a new gas cooker a few days after they moved in and were charged 50 to have it connected.

For info, also as a result of this legislation change, you MUST have the instructions and manufacturors biooklet to show the CORGI fitter when you have a cooker fitted - even a second hand one - or by law they aren't allowed to fit it. I am not sure if this applies to tenants as opposed to home owners, but I certainly wouldn't take the chance!
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Old 29-10-2008, 13:33
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Id get a few quotes if I were you

but if it is 80 quid, isnt that worth safe guarding you and your family?
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Old 29-10-2008, 19:09
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There was a recent law change that means all cookers have to be installed by CORGI fitters - my landlords sent me a load of paperwork on it when I moved in to my new flat in June.
There is no law that says cookers must be fitted by corgi registered fitters unless it is being fitted as part of their business or for reward, other than that the law only states that whoever fits it must be competent just the same as any other gas appliance, the only recent change to cookers is that all burners must have an fsd if fitted in a multi dwelling building.



For info, also as a result of this legislation change, you MUST have the instructions and manufacturors biooklet to show the CORGI fitter when you have a cooker fitted - even a second hand one - or by law they aren't allowed to fit it. I am not sure if this applies to tenants as opposed to home owners, but I certainly wouldn't take the chance!
Having the instruction book for a gas appliance installation has been in for many many years and again is not a recent thing and applies to all installations not just tenancies.
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Old 29-10-2008, 19:30
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There is no law that says cookers must be fitted by corgi registered fitters unless it is being fitted as part of their business or for reward, other than that the law only states that whoever fits it must be competent just the same as any other gas appliance, the only recent change to cookers is that all burners must have an fsd if fitted in a multi dwelling building.



Having the instruction book for a gas appliance installation has been in for many many years and again is not a recent thing and applies to all installations not just tenancies.
I stand corrected.
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Old 17-05-2016, 14:59
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I sell gas, electric, and dual fuel cookers on a daily basis. To install it yourself, especially gas, if you are not gas safe registered, is not only dangerous, but illegal.
If you have an incident, emanating from t h e cooker, your home insurer will ask to see a safety certificate. If you cannot provide one, they may not pay out. Also, when selling properties, buyers are asking to see safety certs, for all install.
Just out of interest, a guy in the town next to us bought and installed a g as cooker, unqualified, and an explosion saw both his and his neighbour's houses, go up in flames, killing a two year old boy.
The guy is doing life for manslaughter.
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Old 17-05-2016, 15:13
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I sell gas, electric, and dual fuel cookers on a daily basis. To install it yourself, especially gas, if you are not gas safe registered, is not only dangerous, but illegal.
If you have an incident, emanating from t h e cooker, your home insurer will ask to see a safety certificate. If you cannot provide one, they may not pay out. Also, when selling properties, buyers are asking to see safety certs, for all install.
Just out of interest, a guy in the town next to us bought and installed a g as cooker, unqualified, and an explosion saw both his and his neighbour's houses, go up in flames, killing a two year old boy.
The guy is doing life for manslaughter.
Interesting.... 8 year old thread though.
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Old 17-05-2016, 17:20
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Interesting.... 8 year old thread though.
And Louise's reply is a little off the mark if the title of the thread is to go by.
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Old 17-05-2016, 18:06
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I am sure that most people with a gas hob / oven do not have a gas installation certificate to show to their insurance company or prospective buyer..

When did this requirement come in?
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Old 17-05-2016, 19:07
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I am sure that most people with a gas hob / oven do not have a gas installation certificate to show to their insurance company or prospective buyer..

When did this requirement come in?
Don't think its required as such but if you did have problems i'd imagine they'll use anything to avoid paying out.

When my mum had her last cooker fitted she didn't have a certificate but he was a properly qualified fitter gas safe/corgi (was the transition time) and it was done as a freebie as they went to school with my mum.
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Old 17-05-2016, 19:42
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I sell gas, electric, and dual fuel cookers on a daily basis. To install it yourself, especially gas, if you are not gas safe registered, is not only dangerous, but illegal.
You sound like an expert, would you mind telling me what legislation states that?
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Old 17-05-2016, 21:07
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The legislation is quite clear, no one can undertake gas , ( live flowing gas ),unless they are Gas Safe registered.

You are not allowed to undertake Gas Work for reward or otherwise unless GSE or other.

You are not allowed to undertake Gas Work,( live gas), unless you can show competency, that would mean being qualified to work on Gas appliances, Gas Safe registered or industry recognised training course that a service engineer has passed.

Being Gas Safe registered does not qualify a person to work on all Gas Appliances, what a Gas Safe engineer can service is on their ID card.

But if you are working in your own home, the law assumes you know and understand your level of competency.

To that end you can run a gas pipe but you can not connect to the gas supply.

You can do this in someone else's home but you can not connect to the gas supply,

An installer/engineer should refuse to use this pipework but common sense, arrangement and testing should prevail.

You can by law disconnect and reconnect a Gas Cooker fitted with a hose and bayonet fitting for cleaning or retrieving purposes in your home or other.

The law does not allow you to buy a new gas cooker and connect it to an existing bayonet fitting, in your home or other, this is because in practise whilst a bayonet fitting one end is for the purpose of connecting the other end is threaded and new gas cookers should always be tested by a GSE for correct operation and to insure no leaks.

But who will know you have installed a new gas cooker/appliance DIY?, ---no one until you cause a death or loose the walls/roof to your property and that of others.

Competency in regard to Gas Work does not guarantee an installation has been done correctly or safely, in this regard it should be understood as " compliance ".
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Old 18-05-2016, 12:59
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Just out of interest, a guy in the town next to us bought and installed a g as cooker, unqualified, and an explosion saw both his and his neighbour's houses, go up in flames, killing a two year old boy.
The guy is doing life for manslaughter.
This concerns a person who deliberately intended to blow up a house, although apparently changed his mind it happened anyway when he lit a cig.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21499501

He got 10 years. Not for unqualified fitting of a gas cooker though...
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Old 18-05-2016, 14:26
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This concerns a person who deliberately intended to blow up a house, although apparently changed his mind it happened anyway when he lit a cig.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21499501

He got 10 years. Not for unqualified fitting of a gas cooker though...
I agree, the life imprisonment story sounds more like a bit of over embellished urban myth to me. Id need proof to believe it!
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Old 19-05-2016, 00:03
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I agree, the life imprisonment story sounds more like a bit of over embellished urban myth to me. Id need proof to believe it!
Hi,

Where was life imprisonment mentioned?
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