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Old 29-10-2008, 22:39
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Will Simon refresh X Factor next year? Make it different in some way?

I don't think it should, this years X Factor has been one of the best series to date, if not the best. And its always beating Strictly in the ratings (well i think always anyway)
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Old 29-10-2008, 22:42
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Not for an NTA award! The ratings are what make these decisions, and the current series is the number one Saturday show on TV for the first time since 2005, has been the number one show on all TV for most of the past 2 months and by far the number one show on TV for the key demographic of viewers aged 16-34.

But he always makes changes, so you never know.
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Old 29-10-2008, 22:44
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I think this has given Simon a kick up the arse. Next year he needs to strip it of all the gimicks and the sob stories, and focus on the music not the money. Lol, that wont happen!
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Old 29-10-2008, 22:53
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It was definatly a big shock for both shows wasn't it? SCD didn't expect to win and Simon just assumed one of his shows would. He has got far to complacent. The show is stale and not as fun as it used to be.

I think SCD won on the strength of last year when it was superb and always blew x facotr out of the water in terms of entertainment. I still find it more enjoyable to be honest as I feel the x factor is lacking something, maybe fun? Or maybe its time to bring back Mrs O?
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Old 29-10-2008, 22:54
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Not for an NTA award! The ratings are what make these decisions, and the current series is the number one Saturday show on TV for the first time since 2005, has been the number one show on all TV for most of the past 2 months and by far the number one show on TV for the key demographic of viewers aged 16-34.

But he always makes changes, so you never know.
BUT SCD beats X-Factor in terms of viewing figures if you include the results shows. So I suppose the winner tonight is actually the most watched show
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:00
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I like both shows but xfactor is miles ahead this year, shocked it didnt win tonight
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:06
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BUT SCD beats X-Factor in terms of viewing figures if you include the results shows. So I suppose the winner tonight is actually the most watched show
This would actually be the first week that SCD was the most watched show of the weekend, despite losing on Saturday, its Sunday results show was just ahead. (Although in share terms, X Factor was #1).

So far, 11 XF and SCD shows have aired since the start of SCD. X Factor has won 8 to SCD's 3.

SCD Saturday Average: 8.52m
XF Saturday Main Show Average: 9.45m

SCD Sunday Average: 8.48m
XF Results Shows (Sat/Sun): 8.42m

Highest XF Audience: 10.4m
Highest SCD Audience: 9.7m
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:08
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This would actually be the first week that SCD was the most watched show of the weekend, despite losing on Saturday, its Sunday results show was just ahead. (Although in share terms, X Factor was #1).

So far, 11 XF and SCD shows have aired since the start of SCD. X Factor has won 8 to SCD's 3.

SCD Saturday Average: 8.52m
XF Saturday Main Show Average: 9.45m

SCD Sunday Average: 8.48m
XF Results Shows (Sat/Sun): 8.42m

Highest XF Audience: 10.4m
Highest SCD Audience: 9.7m
Why are you so obsessed with ratings? They don't always mean quality.
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:12
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Simon cares about money, not Micky Mouse awards.

As long as the ratings remain as high as they are and the money keeps rolling in, I doubt Cowell will be having any restless nights on his gold plated mattress about the NTAs.
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:12
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Why are you so obsessed with ratings? They don't always mean quality.
Hayfever bought up ratings in support of SCD, not C14E.
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:13
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Simon cares about money, not Micky Mouse awards.

As long as the ratings remain as high as they are and the money keeps rolling in, I doubt Cowell will be having any restless nights on his gold plated mattress about the NTAs.

I dont know about that he was fuming his face said it all
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:14
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Why are you so obsessed with ratings? They don't always mean quality.
Exactly as proven tonight. But also SCD is now outperforming X-Factor in the viewing figures as well over the weekend This poster I think works for SC PR
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:15
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I dont know about that he was fuming his face said it all
I don't think he was quite as annoyed as he was last Saturday night. He was bright red and looked like he was about to keel over and die!
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:15
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Why are you so obsessed with ratings? They don't always mean quality.
Nope, but this topic is directly related to ratings. Will Cowell change anything? That certainly won't be decided by NTA Awards, and it certainly will be decided by ratings. They are behind every decision made about the show.

Hayfever mentioned that SCD is the most watched show, I was merely posting some easily available figures to show that isn't actually the case.
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:16
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Hayfever bought up ratings in support of SCD, not C14E.
Go back & read the thread you will find that C14E brought up ratings as usual.
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:18
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Exactly as proven tonight. But also SCD is now outperforming X-Factor in the viewing figures as well over the weekend This poster I think works for SC PR
Could be said you're working for SCD PR.

Seriously - SCD will no doubt out perform X factor over the weekend. Which show'll perform better? One aired at quarter to 10 on a Saturday evening, or one at quarter past 7? Obviously the former.

There's no even footing for the results show, so it's slightly unfair to go comparing them. There's even footing for the main show and they air around the same time frame, so it's easier to read and assess.

Before I get my head bitten off, I like both shows. Check my post history to prove it if you wish. But I think Results show ratings are an uneven way of working out which programme is watched more.

As for quality...I think SCD was miles better last year, and The X Factor is better this year - but that's down to personal opinion.

EDIT: Apologies to Hayfever - I missed the original post. You didn't bring it up.
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:19
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Go back & read the thread you will find that C14E brought up ratings as usual.
Read properly and you will find that ratings are mentioned in the OP, and even if they hadn't been they are a topic that it would be foolish to ignore when discussing changes to the show.
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:21
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Well to be honest i don't care about ratings!

Coronation Street is the most watched show on UK TV. Does that mean its the best show on uk tv? Probably not. I love Corrie, but it has ups and downs like all shows and there have been times recetly when its been shown up by the other soaps.

I think a lot more people watch SCD than let on. Its not seen as 'cool' and 'trendy' like the x factor but I think a lot of people enjoy it beacuse they secrectly wish they could dance like that or learn to do so.
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:21
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Why are you so obsessed with ratings? They don't always mean quality.
Neither does winning an NTA.

But as C14E pointed out, the ratings are what will dictate whether any changes are implemented, not an award that was overshadowed by Cowell's special recognition award anyway...
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:23
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You've got to remember this NTA was based on SCD5 and XF4. And SCD5 was much more superior to XF4!
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:23
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Well to be honest i don't care about ratings!

Coronation Street is the most watched show on UK TV. Does that mean its the best show on uk tv? Probably not. I love Corrie, but it has ups and downs like all shows and there have been times recetly when its been shown up by the other soaps.

I think a lot more people watch SCD than let on. Its not seen as 'cool' and 'trendy' like the x factor but I think a lot of people enjoy it beacuse they secrectly wish they could dance like that or learn to do so.
Nobody is doubting SCD's popularity - and clearly a lot of people love it because it won an award tonight. But you only had to listen to the audience who gave The X Factor the biggest cheer in the auditorium tonight to realise how popular the show is.
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:23
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But as C14E pointed out, the ratings are what will dictate whether any changes are implemented, not an award that was overshadowed by Cowell's special recognition award anyway...
Yes. Very convenient that award wasn't it? Especially after loosing out in a category he assumed he would win

Would he have got it if SCD hadn't won? We will never know will we, but I am not sure he deserved it.
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:24
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Yes. Very convenient that award wasn't it? Especially after loosing out in a category he assumed he would win

Would he have got it if SCD hadn't won? We will never know will we, but I am not sure he deserved it.
I was kind of relieved though. When Andrew Lloyd Webber first appeared I thought it was going to be given to John Barrowman. Simon Cowell looked a decent choice in comparison.
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:25
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You've got to remember this NTA was based on SCD5 and XF4. And SCD5 was much more superior to XF4!
I don't think it was. The NTAs are voted for by the public and they tend to vote on what they're seeing now. That's why we saw a mixture of clips from the last series and the current series for both shows.

TBH the awards as a whole attracted a million votes according to McDonald, and the talent show category only a percentage of that, so it doesn't really prove anything other than SCD got the most votes on the night.

I'd have liked to have seen the votes prior to the lines opening tonight though - methinks Strictly may not have always had the upper hand.
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Old 29-10-2008, 23:25
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Nobody is doubting SCD's popularity - and clearly a lot of people love it because it won an award tonight. But you only had to listen to the audience who gave The X Factor the biggest cheer in the auditorium tonight to realise how popular the show is.
I don't think anyone doubts the x facotr is a popular show either. But I am just being objective.

It is possible to watch both shows you know? I don't get all the bitterness from some over the 'ratings war'. They don't clash very often anymore anyway.
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