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Old 31-10-2008, 15:34
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I can't possibly be the only one that sees Deadlock as a total cop-out for the judges - the final judge can always wimp out of making a decision, and returning to the results of the phone vote means that the whole sing-off becomes irrelevant.

So, here's the 2 part rule change I'd propose:

1: Judges must all cast their vote before any of the votes are revealed - bit like the vote off on Weakest Link. That way, the 3rd and 4th judges don't have an easy cop-out.

2: If the vote is 2:2, have the studio audience decide via keypad, like WWTBAM's Ask The Audience. At least then the decision will take into account the performances from the sing off.


Anyone agree/disagree?


On the plus side, the switch to having the acts sing a different song to the one they did in the main show is a huge improvement. Previously, the acts were just going through the motions, and we all knew the judges vote was not based on that sing-off.
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Old 31-10-2008, 15:46
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I can't possibly be the only one that sees Deadlock as a total cop-out for the judges - the final judge can always wimp out of making a decision, and returning to the results of the phone vote means that the whole sing-off becomes irrelevant.

So, here's the 2 part rule change I'd propose:

1: Judges must all cast their vote before any of the votes are revealed - bit like the vote off on Weakest Link. That way, the 3rd and 4th judges don't have an easy cop-out.

2: If the vote is 2:2, have the studio audience decide via keypad, like WWTBAM's Ask The Audience. At least then the decision will take into account the performances from the sing off.


Anyone agree/disagree?


On the plus side, the switch to having the acts sing a different song to the one they did in the main show is a huge improvement. Previously, the acts were just going through the motions, and we all knew the judges vote was not based on that sing-off.
How would this work? what if all four judges didn't vote for someone who was in the public's bottom 2? surely it would then be exactly as it is now in deadlock, the act with the least public votes goes?
If it was a fact of majority with judges then there is no need for public vote (and that is where they make their billions so that'll never happen)
the only way for the judges not to have a cop out is to do it BB style, have the judges pick 2 acts and then open the public vote between those 2, but that is not the premise of x-factor and never will be.
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Old 31-10-2008, 15:49
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Not sure the first part of this would work, although, perhaps the studio audience bit would. Them voting if it went to deadlock. But then large amounts of the audience are made up of friends and family so that wouldn't be neutral or fair... hmm... perhaps best left alone.
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Old 31-10-2008, 15:50
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How would this work? what if all four judges didn't vote for someone who was in the public's bottom 2? surely it would then be exactly as it is now in deadlock, the act with the least public votes goes?
If it was a fact of majority with judges then there is no need for public vote (and that is where they make their billions so that'll never happen)
the only way for the judges not to have a cop out is to do it BB style, have the judges pick 2 acts and then open the public vote between those 2, but that is not the premise of x-factor and never will be.

I think what the OP means is to watch the bottom 2 perform again and write down their choice, then reveal them.
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Old 31-10-2008, 15:50
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I can't possibly be the only one that sees Deadlock as a total cop-out for the judges - the final judge can always wimp out of making a decision, and returning to the results of the phone vote means that the whole sing-off becomes irrelevant.

So, here's the 2 part rule change I'd propose:

1: Judges must all cast their vote before any of the votes are revealed - bit like the vote off on Weakest Link. That way, the 3rd and 4th judges don't have an easy cop-out.

2: If the vote is 2:2, have the studio audience decide via keypad, like WWTBAM's Ask The Audience. At least then the decision will take into account the performances from the sing off.


Anyone agree/disagree?


On the plus side, the switch to having the acts sing a different song to the one they did in the main show is a huge improvement. Previously, the acts were just going through the motions, and we all knew the judges vote was not based on that sing-off.

I agree with all of the above - the Deadlock which they've used two out of three times is just like going straight to the audience vote and makes the final sing off and judges' votes irrelevant. When they had only three judges it seldom happened - in fact I think it only happened once when Sharon refused to vote between two of her acts
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Old 31-10-2008, 15:53
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I think what the OP means is to watch the bottom 2 perform again and write down their choice, then reveal them.
Yup, thanks twinkletoez. that's exactly what I meant.
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Old 31-10-2008, 15:57
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I think what the OP means is to watch the bottom 2 perform again and write down their choice, then reveal them.
Yes, I agree. That way it would be much better.
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Old 31-10-2008, 16:00
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So basically what they do on Dancing on Ice?
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Old 31-10-2008, 16:07
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So basically what they do on Dancing on Ice?
I was thinking like the Weakest Link

But either way that's a better way of doing it.
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Old 31-10-2008, 16:20
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What's wrong with the public having the final say anyway? they have paid to vote after all.

I understand it not being relevant to the sing-off, but isit needed anyway?

I have always believed, and this applies to all such shows, that if the public pay to vote, their's should be the final decision.

At least it's still better than Strictly where Len get's the casting vote in a deadlock...
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Old 31-10-2008, 16:41
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I disagree.
I don't really understand what you mean about the first bit.. but the bit about studio voting i don't think would work at all because like someone else mentioned its mainly family and friends.. some contestants families may not be able to go every week due to where they live, so i don't really think thats fair. I think deadlock can be a bit unfair though as it doesn't take into account their second 'singing for survival' performance.. so i think what should happen is perhaps scrap the judges votes altogether.. announce the results as normal and let the bottom two have a sing off.. then maybe let the public vote AGAIN as to who they want to stay.. ? Don't know if people would be willing to do that though lol
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Old 31-10-2008, 16:47
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The audience shouldn't decide, they should re-open the phone lines for the bottom two for three minutes in the event of deadlock.
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Old 31-10-2008, 17:02
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The audience shouldn't decide, they should re-open the phone lines for the bottom two for three minutes in the event of deadlock.
I agree
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Old 31-10-2008, 17:34
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That wouldn't work. All the judges decide amongst themselves who is going to save who. You see them talking when the bottom 2 perform again,
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Old 31-10-2008, 18:18
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Judges must all cast their vote before any of the votes are revealed - bit like the vote off on Weakest Link. That way, the 3rd and 4th judges don't have an easy cop-out.

i think that's a brilliant idea

but i think if it's still a draw, then the lines should be reopened and there should be more adverts for a few minutes
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Old 31-10-2008, 18:26
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It's easy to solve this. Just get an odd number of judges.

Either get rid of one of the existing lot and go back to three like it used to be, or get an extra one
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Old 31-10-2008, 18:29
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I think the deadlock thing is fine - the public spend money voting on it, its tough if they don't get the votes they are just not popular!
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Old 31-10-2008, 18:37
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What's wrong with the public having the final say anyway? they have paid to vote after all.

I understand it not being relevant to the sing-off, but isit needed anyway?

I have always believed, and this applies to all such shows, that if the public pay to vote, their's should be the final decision.

At least it's still better than Strictly where Len get's the casting vote in a deadlock...
*standing ovation*

I couldn't agree more - I think it should be down to the phone vote alone - no "judges" - no sing off between the bottom 2 - just get rid of the one with the lowest public vote.
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Old 31-10-2008, 18:58
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I was thinking like the Weakest Link

But either way that's a better way of doing it.
Oh I do agree I was just seeing if that was how you meant, maybe put a little more simpler

I don't agree about the studio audience keypad thing though beacuse if it goes right down to the wire then a group in the bottom 2 would have an advantage because obviously they would have more supporters in the bottom 2.
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Old 31-10-2008, 19:19
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What's wrong with the public having the final say anyway? they have paid to vote after all.
Because Joe Public can't be trusted to get it right and the powers that be don't want to lose the favoured one(s) in the early stages
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Old 31-10-2008, 19:20
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What's wrong with it going to the public vote since it's the public voting and the public who will be buying the winners single?
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Old 31-10-2008, 19:55
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It's all managed so the public only have the final say when they already know which way the public voted. It's just another way to try and make it look more random while maintaining full control. Whatever happens they get told which way to vote and it all goes like clockwork.
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Old 31-10-2008, 20:19
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Studio audience wouldn't work so well imo, seeing as it's mainly family members. I like the idea about the judges vote though.
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Old 31-10-2008, 20:22
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The audience shouldn't decide, they should re-open the phone lines for the bottom two for three minutes in the event of deadlock.
Exactly what I was thinking. That way the viewing audience would still get a say.
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Old 31-10-2008, 20:33
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I can't possibly be the only one that sees Deadlock as a total cop-out for the judges - the final judge can always wimp out of making a decision, and returning to the results of the phone vote means that the whole sing-off becomes irrelevant.

So, here's the 2 part rule change I'd propose:

1: Judges must all cast their vote before any of the votes are revealed - bit like the vote off on Weakest Link. That way, the 3rd and 4th judges don't have an easy cop-out.

2: If the vote is 2:2, have the studio audience decide via keypad, like WWTBAM's Ask The Audience. At least then the decision will take into account the performances from the sing off.


Anyone agree/disagree?


On the plus side, the switch to having the acts sing a different song to the one they did in the main show is a huge improvement. Previously, the acts were just going through the motions, and we all knew the judges vote was not based on that sing-off.

One major flaw I see is the audience thing.. say for example Ruth and Daniel end up in the bottom too.. Ruth is spanish so she might only have a few people in the audience as family/friends whereas Daniel could have loads of people there and then that would be unfair on Ruth as they would obviously vote Daniel.
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