that was on last christmas? does any one know if this is planned? as last years one was not bad, with some of the marias and josephs singing together with dvo and jb? it was a bit cheesey but was good to see what they were up to
will there be a tv special this xmas like when the josephs met the marias
I really hope there's a special this year, i would be good to see the Nancies and Olivers again, maybe seeing a different side to them now thery're not competing for the roles in the show.
I don't think it's going to happen. Last year's When Joseph Met Maria show was filmed on Dec 3rd and word got out about it a while before then (and it hit the media a few weeks before). There has been nothing said this time - and I would have thought that if something was in the offing, we'd have heard about it by now.
They were hardly going to do a special after Jodie won. This time last year Lee had an album out, don't see Jodie doing that either. ALW might have just turned 60 but he acts like a 12 year old.
Given that Oliver! won't have opened (or even started previewing) by the time they'd be filming a When Joseph Met Nancy show, it would seem a bit odd - they couldn't talk about Jodie's successful run as Nancy because she hasn't had one yet! Both Connie and Lee had proven themselves in their 'winning' roles by the time they did When Maria Met Joseph.
I don't see why the knives are still out for ALW et al re: Jodie. She won the competition and the role. Now the ball is in her court and she has to prove herself in the 'real world'. Both Connie and Lee had to do that - neither of them was given an easy ride, or handed opportunities on a plate. Nor should Jodie. She needs to prove that she's a worthy winner of IDA and put the work in before she gets any credit for it - and rightly so! Any other performer would have to do that - why not her?
Re: an album - I have no idea why she hasn't done one (of the three winners so far, she's had the most time to do one). Perhaps she was offered the chance to record one but chose to take her time with it, rather than going for a quick release? From a marketing perspective, it would make sense to release one while she's performing in Oliver! and, as a result, is in the public eye.
I don't see why the knives are still out for ALW et al re: Jodie. She won the competition and the role. Now the ball is in her court and she has to prove herself in the 'real world'. Both Connie and Lee had to do that - neither of them was given an easy ride, or handed opportunities on a plate. Nor should Jodie. She needs to prove that she's a worthy winner of IDA and put the work in before she gets any credit for it - and rightly so! Any other performer would have to do that - why not her?
Re: an album - I have no idea why she hasn't done one (of the three winners so far, she's had the most time to do one). Perhaps she was offered the chance to record one but chose to take her time with it, rather than going for a quick release? From a marketing perspective, it would make sense to release one while she's performing in Oliver! and, as a result, is in the public eye.
Originally Posted by johartuk:
“I don't see why the knives are still out for ALW et al re: Jodie. She won the competition and the role. Now the ball is in her court and she has to prove herself in the 'real world'. Both Connie and Lee had to do that - neither of them was given an easy ride, or handed opportunities on a plate. Nor should Jodie. She needs to prove that she's a worthy winner of IDA and put the work in before she gets any credit for it - and rightly so! Any other performer would have to do that - why not her?
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“I don't see why the knives are still out for ALW et al re: Jodie. She won the competition and the role. Now the ball is in her court and she has to prove herself in the 'real world'. Both Connie and Lee had to do that - neither of them was given an easy ride, or handed opportunities on a plate. Nor should Jodie. She needs to prove that she's a worthy winner of IDA and put the work in before she gets any credit for it - and rightly so! Any other performer would have to do that - why not her?
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ALW didn't publicly come out and support Helena or Keith for Maria or Joseph, that's the difference. Jodie has had to prove that ALW and CM were wrong on top of having to prove to the public they were right to pick her.
Also I don't remember the other Joseph's fans being so harsh with Lee. I've seen Jodie criticised on both Rachel and Sarah's blogs saying that their favourite should be playing Nancy. Some of Sarah's fans have even said they hope Jodie is ill so they can see Sarah.
Jodie seems to have to fight harder for all the recognition she gets, far more than Connie or Lee ever did.
Jodie hasn't been criticised, if we ever say we wish her ill we are only joking because Sarah is our favourite not because we actually want her to be ill and I have never criticised Jodie on my blog. Deary me.
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“ALW didn't publicly come out and support Helena or Keith for Maria or Joseph, that's the difference. Jodie has had to prove that ALW and CM were wrong on top of having to prove to the public they were right to pick her.
Also I don't remember the other Joseph's fans being so harsh with Lee. I've seen Jodie criticised on both Rachel and Sarah's blogs saying that their favourite should be playing Nancy. Some of Sarah's fans have even said they hope Jodie is ill so they can see Sarah.
Jodie seems to have to fight harder for all the recognition she gets, far more than Connie or Lee ever did.”
“ALW didn't publicly come out and support Helena or Keith for Maria or Joseph, that's the difference. Jodie has had to prove that ALW and CM were wrong on top of having to prove to the public they were right to pick her.
Also I don't remember the other Joseph's fans being so harsh with Lee. I've seen Jodie criticised on both Rachel and Sarah's blogs saying that their favourite should be playing Nancy. Some of Sarah's fans have even said they hope Jodie is ill so they can see Sarah.
Jodie seems to have to fight harder for all the recognition she gets, far more than Connie or Lee ever did.”
I don't ever remember reading criticism of Jodie on either of those blogs. People have said they think "their Nancy" was more suitable than Jodie, which is in no way negative, it's just an opinion. And when people say they hope Jodie is ill, it's not meant in a nasty way. It's just because we want to see Sarah!
How have we even critisized her? In fact, the 3 Sarah fans here all seperatly said how good Jodie is!
And LMAO at us wanting Jodie ill! Take a joke.... Sheeesh!
And LMAO at us wanting Jodie ill! Take a joke.... Sheeesh!
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“ALW didn't publicly come out and support Helena or Keith for Maria or Joseph, that's the difference. Jodie has had to prove that ALW and CM were wrong on top of having to prove to the public they were right to pick her.
Also I don't remember the other Joseph's fans being so harsh with Lee. I've seen Jodie criticised on both Rachel and Sarah's blogs saying that their favourite should be playing Nancy. Some of Sarah's fans have even said they hope Jodie is ill so they can see Sarah.
Jodie seems to have to fight harder for all the recognition she gets, far more than Connie or Lee ever did.”
“ALW didn't publicly come out and support Helena or Keith for Maria or Joseph, that's the difference. Jodie has had to prove that ALW and CM were wrong on top of having to prove to the public they were right to pick her.
Also I don't remember the other Joseph's fans being so harsh with Lee. I've seen Jodie criticised on both Rachel and Sarah's blogs saying that their favourite should be playing Nancy. Some of Sarah's fans have even said they hope Jodie is ill so they can see Sarah.
Jodie seems to have to fight harder for all the recognition she gets, far more than Connie or Lee ever did.”
At the end of the day, ALW and CM are putting their reputations (and a considerable amount of money) on the line with Oliver! (as they did with SOM and Joseph), therefore that gives them a right to voice their opinions. They were asked who they thought was Nancy and said so (perhaps it wasn't the wisest move, but they were asked and responded and they had a right to do so).
As a Lee fan, I recall him getting lots of criticism from other Josephs' fans during ADWD. Connie also did (and continues to do so). It's what happens with these competitions. It's not always fair, but Jodie certainly didn't get any worse treatment than Lee and Connie as far as I can remember.
I watched both HDYSAPLM and ADWD prior to IDA, so already knew what to expect on DS and other forums. To be honest, I don't think the IDA threads have been particularly bad. What I will also say is that you can't expect people on other threads to be complementary about your favourite Maria/Joseph/Nancy. It just doesn't work that way!
As for having to win CM and ALW over, I think you'll find that both Connie and Lee had to prove themselves to ALW and his fellow big-wigs. Jodie has to do the same. That's part and parcel of the entertainment business - it's what you have to do when you get your first leading role, especially when you get it via a TV casting show rather than the conventional route! I don't think Jodie has it any tougher than Lee and Connie did - the only added pressure on her is that Lee and Connie were both outstanding in their roles and have had incredibly successful runs (Lee's ends in January). Jodie has to live up to that.
Originally Posted by johartuk:
“At the end of the day, ALW and CM are putting their reputations (and a considerable amount of money) on the line with Oliver! (as they did with SOM and Joseph), therefore that gives them a right to voice their opinions. They were asked who they thought was Nancy and said so (perhaps it wasn't the wisest move, but they were asked and responded and they had a right to do so).
As a Lee fan, I recall him getting lots of criticism from other Josephs' fans during ADWD. Connie also did (and continues to do so). It's what happens with these competitions. It's not always fair, but Jodie certainly didn't get any worse treatment than Lee and Connie as far as I can remember.
I watched both HDYSAPLM and ADWD prior to IDA, so already knew what to expect on DS and other forums. To be honest, I don't think the IDA threads have been particularly bad. What I will also say is that you can't expect people on other threads to be complementary about your favourite Maria/Joseph/Nancy. It just doesn't work that way!
As for having to win CM and ALW over, I think you'll find that both Connie and Lee had to prove themselves to ALW and his fellow big-wigs. Jodie has to do the same. That's part and parcel of the entertainment business - it's what you have to do when you get your first leading role, especially when you get it via a TV casting show rather than the conventional route! I don't think Jodie has it any tougher than Lee and Connie did - the only added pressure on her is that Lee and Connie were both outstanding in their roles and have had incredibly successful runs (Lee's ends in January). Jodie has to live up to that.”
“At the end of the day, ALW and CM are putting their reputations (and a considerable amount of money) on the line with Oliver! (as they did with SOM and Joseph), therefore that gives them a right to voice their opinions. They were asked who they thought was Nancy and said so (perhaps it wasn't the wisest move, but they were asked and responded and they had a right to do so).
As a Lee fan, I recall him getting lots of criticism from other Josephs' fans during ADWD. Connie also did (and continues to do so). It's what happens with these competitions. It's not always fair, but Jodie certainly didn't get any worse treatment than Lee and Connie as far as I can remember.
I watched both HDYSAPLM and ADWD prior to IDA, so already knew what to expect on DS and other forums. To be honest, I don't think the IDA threads have been particularly bad. What I will also say is that you can't expect people on other threads to be complementary about your favourite Maria/Joseph/Nancy. It just doesn't work that way!
As for having to win CM and ALW over, I think you'll find that both Connie and Lee had to prove themselves to ALW and his fellow big-wigs. Jodie has to do the same. That's part and parcel of the entertainment business - it's what you have to do when you get your first leading role, especially when you get it via a TV casting show rather than the conventional route! I don't think Jodie has it any tougher than Lee and Connie did - the only added pressure on her is that Lee and Connie were both outstanding in their roles and have had incredibly successful runs (Lee's ends in January). Jodie has to live up to that.”
Yeah she has had it tougher especially considering she won without ALW backing and she hasn't slept with one of the judges.
I think there was a lot of snobbery that Lee and Connie didn't get because of the way the had learnt their trade, as opposed to Jodie who has come up through cabaret and stand up.
Of course she has to prove herself, and on the basis of last night she was the right choice.
Originally Posted by ImOnlyWee:
“Jodie hasn't been criticised, if we ever say we wish her ill we are only joking because Sarah is our favourite not because we actually want her to be ill and I have never criticised Jodie on my blog. Deary me.”
“Jodie hasn't been criticised, if we ever say we wish her ill we are only joking because Sarah is our favourite not because we actually want her to be ill and I have never criticised Jodie on my blog. Deary me.”
You need to work on your comedy cos wishing someone ill isn't funny.
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“You need to work on your comedy cos wishing someone ill isn't funny.”
“You need to work on your comedy cos wishing someone ill isn't funny.”
Omg its a joke, hoping Jodie is ill when we go to see Oliver so Sarah is on..its a joke, You need to learn how to take a little joke - honestly what actually is your problem?!
I mean im still going to see Jodie in Oliver and im sure she will be brilliant.
It's not like we wished her dead or anything dramatic like that 
If the only way we will get to see our fave Nancy is by Jodie being ill then I think its a fair comment! Lol! (That was a joke by the way!
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If the only way we will get to see our fave Nancy is by Jodie being ill then I think its a fair comment! Lol! (That was a joke by the way!
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Originally Posted by ImOnlyWee:
“Omg its a joke, hoping Jodie is ill when we go to see Oliver so Sarah is on..its a joke, You need to learn how to take a little joke - honestly what actually is your problem?!
I mean im still going to see Jodie in Oliver and im sure she will be brilliant.”
“Omg its a joke, hoping Jodie is ill when we go to see Oliver so Sarah is on..its a joke, You need to learn how to take a little joke - honestly what actually is your problem?!
I mean im still going to see Jodie in Oliver and im sure she will be brilliant.”
It may be meant as a joke but it doesn't read like one.
It's not easy to explain but there seems to be an attitude that Jodie didn't win on ability, it's like what she said in the final, she thought they only put her there because she's 'jokey Jodie' and that seems to seep into people thoughts about her. That and her background in entertainment, not coming through theatre or being trained the way Lee or Connie were, and she wasn't among the 'professionals' IDA like Fran, Rachel and Sarah.
Well I think it does read like a joke..I mean everyone else but you probably reads it as a joke..but anyway..
I don't have a problem with who won, Im clearly over it but Sarah was my favourite and I would love to see her as Nancy that is all.
I don't have a problem with who won, Im clearly over it but Sarah was my favourite and I would love to see her as Nancy that is all.
Originally Posted by ImOnlyWee:
“Well I think it does read like a joke..I mean everyone else but you probably reads it as a joke..but anyway..
I don't have a problem with who won, Im clearly over it but Sarah was my favourite and I would love to see her as Nancy that is all.”
“Well I think it does read like a joke..I mean everyone else but you probably reads it as a joke..but anyway..
I don't have a problem with who won, Im clearly over it but Sarah was my favourite and I would love to see her as Nancy that is all.”
Would someone who isn't a regular on the Lark thread know that. I knew you meant it as a joke but I can see how someone else could read it.
I think a lot of people forget that their comments can be read by complete strangers who won't have the context that regulars on the Lark thread will have.
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“Would someone who isn't a regular on the Lark thread know that. I knew you meant it as a joke but I can see how someone else could read it.
I think a lot of people forget that their comments can be read by complete strangers who won't have the context that regulars on the Lark thread will have.”
“Would someone who isn't a regular on the Lark thread know that. I knew you meant it as a joke but I can see how someone else could read it.
I think a lot of people forget that their comments can be read by complete strangers who won't have the context that regulars on the Lark thread will have.”
Er yes I do think they would actually - it's not hard to understand it's a joke especially when I say lol after it is it.
anyway it's not a big deal is it really.
