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Craig on Breakfast, Monday
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martyboy
10-11-2008
Craig will be on Breakfast, Monday morning.

The time was given as 8.40 (though this could change).

There was quite a bit of chat between Bill and Sian around the preview, which mentioned many E-mails that had been received by Breakfast, and they quoted some, on the John Sergeant issue - from both sides of the argument.

Their E-mail address is: bbcbreakfast@bbc.co.uk
katie_p
10-11-2008
I can do a clip this afternoon if anyone wants it
Xassy
10-11-2008
^ Aw thank you!
I have to go to work...like NOW....! Ooops!
martyboy
10-11-2008
Incidentally, Joan Bakewell, the new government spokesman for Older People will also be on the program, to talk about awareness of ageism, legislation, and cultural issues. Wonder if she might be invited to say anything about JS.

... she was on, but stayed on message.
Golden anemone
10-11-2008
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“I can do a clip this afternoon if anyone wants it ”

Yes please.
katie_p
10-11-2008
Heh, Craig has just said he wouldn't dream of telling people who to vote for

Slightly silly for him to compare John's Cha Cha to the professional display; all the Strictly celebs look awful compared to that!
dome
10-11-2008
Craig admits that John is entertaining, shame then he doesn't curb his tongue when judging.
martyboy
10-11-2008
This week's talking point(s):

Clip of Heather's elimination, with Craig's comments about travesty etc.

Let's talk about the person who wasn't in the bottom 2...

Craig says JS should have been there.

Clips of JS.

Craig says he understands it's an entertainment competition, but he is flying flag for dance. Calls JS dreadful, says there is no comparison between JS and the Latin professional demo.

About to see Arlene's criticisms of JS, but she is silenced by a technical glitch. Glitch is fixed and resumes with Len and Bruno's JS comments.

Craig says he wouldn't dream of telling the public how to vote. Then goes on to say that JS should not continue. Please, please vote JS out.

Clip of Rachel.

Bill asks what happened to Rachel to end up in dance off. Craig explains this as public believeing she's safe [not convinced by this explanation, as other celebs around her avoided dance off].

Bill asks who stood out - Craig says Rachel, because her personality improved, and also Heather, because of her improvement.

Lengthy clip of professional Latin demo - Craig asks us to compare JS's cha cha with their's - JS was nowhere near as good as them.
Eternal Life
10-11-2008
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“I can do a clip this afternoon if anyone wants it ”

That would be great Katie
trunkster
10-11-2008
Personally I reckon JS had better hip movement that the bloke in the latin pro dance, awesome!

Anyway I blame Cherie, it's all her fault!
Muggsy
10-11-2008
Originally Posted by martyboy:
“Lengthy clip of professional Latin pros - Craig asks us to compare JS's cha cha with theirs - JS was not as good as them.”

LOL

I think Craig's message was "Don't vote for any CHAR CHAR CHAR unless it's as good as the number one latin dancers in the world".
bobferret
10-11-2008
I have to take issue with Craig on one point: Like him, I look for the dancing but if I wanted "entertainment " in the sense that most of John Sergeant's apologists use about his performances then I would buy a Norman Wisdom film on DVD. And if anyone finds Bruce Forsythe remotely entertaining then I depair.
nelliek
10-11-2008
Originally Posted by Muggsy:
“LOL

I think Craig's message was "Don't vote for any CHAR CHAR CHAR unless it's as good as the number one latin dancers in the world".”

I'll remember that when Rachel, Lisa, and possibly Cherie do their char char chars. Tom's already done his. Jodie is not one of the 'chosen few'. Not sure if Christine is one of the judges' real favourites, nor which group to put Austin in at the moment.
Dancing Girl
10-11-2008
Well, according to Craig!!!, the public are doing it all wrong! Perhaps the public should not vote and just think how much money Strictly Come Dancing would lose!! They never tell us at the end of the season how much money was made, only the percentage they donate to charity. I can never understand why we cannot be told exactly how many votes each celeb got, in this computer age it should be so simple to provide the statistics. Come on Judges, you are so far up your own b.....!! Honestly it is an entertainment show and John is pure entertainment!! I was shocked to see Rachel and Vincent in the bottom two!! Amazing, they were gorgeous, fabulous dance and clothes!!
luckyforest
10-11-2008
Originally Posted by martyboy:
“This week's talking point(s):

Clip of Heather's elimination, with Craig's comments about travesty etc.

Let's talk about the person who wasn't in the bottom 2...

Craig says JS should have been there.

Clips of JS.

Craig says he understands it's an entertainment competition, but he is flying flag for dance. Calls JS dreadful, says there is no comparison between JS and the Latin professional demo.

About to see Arlene's criticisms of JS, but she is silenced by a technical glitch. Glitch is fixed and resumes with Len and Bruno's JS comments.

Craig says he wouldn't dream of telling the public how to vote. Then goes on to say that JS should not continue. Please, please vote JS out.
Clip of Rachel.

Bill asks what happened to Rachel to end up in dance off. Craig explains this as public believeing she's safe [not convinced by this explanation, as other celebs around her avoided dance off].

Bill asks who stood out - Craig says Rachel, because her personality improved, and also Heather, because of her improvement.

Lengthy clip of professional Latin demo - Craig asks us to compare JS's cha cha with their's - JS was nowhere near as good as them.”


Thanks for the summary.

Can Craig be more inconsistent and self contradictory? Why do they always invite the judges to give them plenty of chance to explain their self-contradictory? Craig is the worst, he always say one thing on Saturday, than say he mean another thing in other shows.
The_abbott
10-11-2008
Originally Posted by dome:
“Craig admits that John is entertaining, shame then he doesn't curb his tongue when judging.”

He said it was a disaster. Which it was.
dome
10-11-2008
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“He said it was a disaster. Which it was. ”


Hardly a disaster.
Spinaker5
10-11-2008
Originally Posted by Dancing Girl:
“Well, according to Craig!!!, the public are doing it all wrong! Perhaps the public should not vote and just think how much money Strictly Come Dancing would lose!! They never tell us at the end of the season how much money was made, only the percentage they donate to charity. I can never understand why we cannot be told exactly how many votes each celeb got, in this computer age it should be so simple to provide the statistics. Come on Judges, you are so far up your own b.....!! Honestly it is an entertainment show and John is pure entertainment!! I was shocked to see Rachel and Vincent in the bottom two!! Amazing, they were gorgeous, fabulous dance and clothes!!”

I for one won't be spending any more money voting. I was naive to think it was possible to keep Brian & heather in, given the hordes voting for John Sargeant.
Spinaker5
10-11-2008
Originally Posted by Dancing Girl:
“Well, according to Craig!!!, the public are doing it all wrong! Perhaps the public should not vote and just think how much money Strictly Come Dancing would lose!! They never tell us at the end of the season how much money was made, only the percentage they donate to charity. I can never understand why we cannot be told exactly how many votes each celeb got, in this computer age it should be so simple to provide the statistics. Come on Judges, you are so far up your own b.....!! Honestly it is an entertainment show and John is pure entertainment!! I was shocked to see Rachel and Vincent in the bottom two!! Amazing, they were gorgeous, fabulous dance and clothes!!”

I for one won't be spending any more money voting. I was naive to think it was possible to keep Heather & Brian in, given the hordes preferring to watch John Sargeant answer the phone.
Erinfan
10-11-2008
Craig comparing John to Michael and Joanna is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. What a stupid thing to say. John or any of the celebrity dancers for that matter should never be expected to compare to a world class, internationally renowned dance couple, as they could never be as good...which is perfectly understandable!
Spinaker5
10-11-2008
Originally Posted by Erinfan:
“Craig comparing John to Michael and Joanna is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. What a stupid thing to say. John or any of the celebrity dancers for that matter should never be expected to compare to a world class, internationally renowned dance couple, as they could never be as good...which is perfectly understandable!”

I need to watch this first but those pros made Alesha & Matt's cha cha cha look pretty tame.
SCD-Observer
10-11-2008
Originally Posted by martyboy:
“Lengthy clip of professional Latin demo - Craig asks us to compare JS's cha cha with their's - JS was nowhere near as good as them.”

What a daft thing to say! I didn't enjoy John's cha cha cha on Saturday night, granted, but to compare him with world champions?
krisskross43
10-11-2008
It all comes down to the fact that the viewing public LIKE John and Kristina and pick up their phones and spend money voting because they want to see them next week.

On the other hand obviously not enough members of the voting public care if they see Rachel and Vincent or not. Certainly not enough to make them phone and vote. I wouldn't presume to hazard a reason for this, I vote for my favoured couple every week whether they do the best dance or not.

This sort of thing happens every year, the judges moan every year. Personally I think we should let the judges score if they really want to but not count it and just leave it up to the public to decide who they want to see carry on.

Trouble is most of the judges think of us the public as people who don't know what they want and need to be told by our superiors i.e them.
welwynrose
10-11-2008
maybe they should change the vote to vote to evict - rather than vote to stay
lightonmyfeet
10-11-2008
Craig's comments on Saturday were no the ones that got up my nose - it was Uncle Len telling voters how they should vote - it came across as sending John and his voters to the naughty step. Craig though should have learned from the Gary escape, never give a one - it guarantees a safe seat.

I will wait and see the clip of Craig (thanks for the description though), but a preliminary view is that telling people not to vote for John is not a wise move either.
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