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Voting Figures
Do they publish the actual voting figures and if not why not?
The reason I ask is that everywhere I read, people are very shocked that Laura and Ruth were in the bottom two and the fact that Rachel was not. I have read through lots of forums and newspapers reviews and comments etc and can count on one hand the number of people who feel sorry for Rachel and therefore may have voted for her. From what I read of Laura, although not my favourite, but she was alot of other people's favourite along with Ruth who IS my favourite. So why why are we in this position? Rachel was dreadful and yes the judges never said a bad word about her. Probably didn't want to damage her any more but what about poor Daniel? How much criticism does he take from the judges, it must be pretty hard for him to deal with. At the end of the day it is not his fault, it is the voters. So, I think there is a bit of a fix going on here and I would like to see the telephone results published and checked by an independent authority? |
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Totally agree - this is an issue with almost all reality tv though.
I've been saying the same about other shows as well, such as I'm a Celeb and Big Brother. They should have to put the information in the public domain once it is finished. |
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Bump - any other's add any thoughts on this?
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Do they publish the actual voting figures and if not why not?
The reason I ask is that everywhere I read, people are very shocked that Laura and Ruth were in the bottom two and the fact that Rachel was not. I have read through lots of forums and newspapers reviews and comments etc and can count on one hand the number of people who feel sorry for Rachel and therefore may have voted for her. From what I read of Laura, although not my favourite, but she was alot of other people's favourite along with Ruth who IS my favourite. So why why are we in this position? Rachel was dreadful and yes the judges never said a bad word about her. Probably didn't want to damage her any more but what about poor Daniel? How much criticism does he take from the judges, it must be pretty hard for him to deal with. At the end of the day it is not his fault, it is the voters. So, I think there is a bit of a fix going on here and I would like to see the telephone results published and checked by an independent authority? I agree these should be made available for the public. Though I very much doubt that it is a fix. Not sure ITV would risk it in the current climate! I just think it is down to the public and the weird fascination with backing the under dog/one with a sob story. If someone is rubbish they should go regardless of their past! |
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I don't think it's a fix, I just think that the judges encourage people to vote for the wrong reasons, or overrate bad performances.
Then the judges themselves complain that the public got it wrong when it was they who encouraged people to vote for the wrong reasons in the first place. If the judges try to get people to vote based on the 'cute' factor or the 'aww' factor then what do they expect? They only have themselves to blame. Sometimes after an act has performed they don't even comment on the singing. That's happened a few times. |
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No, because betting would be made too easy. It was be a lot easier to predict who would be voted off next and who the eventual winner would be.
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No, because betting would be made too easy. It was be a lot easier to predict who would be voted off next and who the eventual winner would be.
I don't think the X Factor could care less if the bookies lost money. It's just not their concern. |
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Publishing the voting figures would show who was in the lead.
If they did that last year and, as reported at the end, Leon was in front every week it would spoil the show. Everyone would know the winner by Week 2 or 3. It doesnt take a genius to work out why Laura and Ruth were in the bottom 2. Eoghan went first, but got the Northern Ireland vote, Ruth went next, then Laura. Those that start the show suffer in the voting. |
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Voting in 2,3 and 4 was investigated by independent auditors, Deloitte and further investigated by the broadcasting watchdog, OFCOM. Quote:
Ofcom has seen evidence that confirms that the majority of the votes had been cast in favour of the winners referred to above. Further, Ofcom has also seen evidence that confirms that those who were eliminated from these programmes were voted off by the audience. Therefore, there was no editorial override by the programme-makers and Ofcom does not consider that viewers were misled as to the outcomes of the votes on any of these occasions.
And no doubt there will be a complaint made to OFCOM this year about the voting and we'll get the same sorry farce again next year. Quite simply, Laura wasn't popular enough. Daniel has his sob story, Rachel had last weeks "bounce" effect and tears while Eoghan is a cute little boy who actually gave a close to passable performance on Saturday night for the first time since week 1. |
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I suppose it also has something to do with the perceived favourites never getting the votes because people believe they're safe. I don't know how true that theory is but it may go someway to explaining Laura's demise.
The fix allegations are old hat now. The show has never been found of any wrongdoing in previous investigations and you'd have to be pretty stupid to start rigging the votes five series in, just to save Eoghan, after the recent scandals. |
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Publishing the voting figures would show who was in the lead.
If they did that last year and, as reported at the end, Leon was in front every week it would spoil the show. Everyone would know the winner by Week 2 or 3. That way, no effect on voting, but total transparancy. At the end of the day, we the voters are paying money for these calls, and I find it ridiculous that we are treated like lower beings once the show ends (same goes for I'm a celeb and Big Brother etc)! |
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All i can put it down to is if your on earlier in the show, your more at risk
and also none of them commented on rachel poor performance,,was only about how she being percived then she cried simon was very pro jls and eoghan..people listen to simon, he said laura was weak too so she was doomed. daniel is daniel and alex was very good so only left laura and ruth this week basically
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I imagine the voting was down by a few hundred thousand this week with No Diana to vote for
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At least for the first 5 series of Big Brother, we were given the voting breakdown after every eviction. However the thing with this was that the voting system was completely different. It wasn't like all the housemates were up and that it was positive voting. We had a handful of selected people up for a negative vote. They don't release the actual numbers now though, presumably because they voting is low.
That's why I think it wouldn't work neccesarily, because it would just give the whole game away. Instead of actually giving out all the number of votes for every act each week, they should give us the voting breakdown for those in the bottom 2, then giving us all the voting breakdowns after the series. |
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At least for the first 5 series of Big Brother, we were given the voting breakdown after every eviction. However the thing with this was that the voting system was completely different. It wasn't like all the housemates were up and that it was positive voting. We had a handful of selected people up for a negative vote. They don't release the actual numbers now though, presumably because they voting is low.
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What people FAIL to understand (and this applies to ALL voting programmes), is that only a certain type of person actually votes. NOT a fair representation of the public. And this is the result. At the end of the day these are entertainment programmes that everyone is getting their knickers in a twist over and not a general election. Laura will have no problem getting a career in singing.
Basically, if you dont vote, dont complain. And if you do vote, dont complain, just get a life.
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At least for the first 5 series of Big Brother, we were given the voting breakdown after every eviction. However the thing with this was that the voting system was completely different. It wasn't like all the housemates were up and that it was positive voting. We had a handful of selected people up for a negative vote. They don't release the actual numbers now though, presumably because they voting is low.
That's why I think it wouldn't work neccesarily, because it would just give the whole game away. Instead of actually giving out all the number of votes for every act each week, they should give us the voting breakdown for those in the bottom 2, then giving us all the voting breakdowns after the series. No voters, no shows!! |
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Totally agree - this is an issue with almost all reality tv though.
I've been saying the same about other shows as well, such as I'm a Celeb and Big Brother. They should have to put the information in the public domain once it is finished. |
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I highly doubt that after the bad edits that Rachel received.
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Do they publish the actual voting figures and if not why not?
The reason I ask is that everywhere I read, people are very shocked that Laura and Ruth were in the bottom two and the fact that Rachel was not. I have read through lots of forums and newspapers reviews and comments etc and can count on one hand the number of people who feel sorry for Rachel and therefore may have voted for her. From what I read of Laura, although not my favourite, but she was alot of other people's favourite along with Ruth who IS my favourite. So why why are we in this position? Rachel was dreadful and yes the judges never said a bad word about her. Probably didn't want to damage her any more but what about poor Daniel? How much criticism does he take from the judges, it must be pretty hard for him to deal with. At the end of the day it is not his fault, it is the voters. So, I think there is a bit of a fix going on here and I would like to see the telephone results published and checked by an independent authority?
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Thanks for the replies.
My point really is that I read in so many different places over the weekend of people's shock at the result, how many people had Laura as a favourite, how many people thought Rachel was dreadful etc etc etc. So why does the voting not coincide with what you read on here and everywhere else?? |
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Didn't Big Brother, at one point, actually release percentages on eviction night when the lines were still open? Or did I just imagine that?
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Thanks for the replies.
My point really is that I read in so many different places over the weekend of people's shock at the result, how many people had Laura as a favourite, how many people thought Rachel was dreadful etc etc etc. So why does the voting not coincide with what you read on here and everywhere else?? Because we are not a true represenation of the nation or the ones who vote. It is a bit like going to Manchester and asking who supports Arsenal. Well if you apply that answer to the country as a whole it would appear that only 5 people support Arsenal. The members of this forum are people who like to air their opinions. They aren't neccesarily all voters. I'm certainly not, so whilst I was dissapointed about the bottom 2 , I cant really complain. Oh and Rachael WAS flat and should have gone on THAT performance, even though she has a good voice. |
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Well the Daily Mail story has attracted 197 comments all saying the same thing, and that is only th eones they have printed?
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I have no idea why Ruth and Laura were in the bottom 2.. pure craziness in my opinion. But Ruth sang her heart out and deserved to stay imo. But it should have been Rachel going !!!!!!
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