I am sorry but i cannot for the life of me see the charm or the entertainment value, of wathcing someone struggle every week with dance steps. this weeks was the most cringeworthy in particular.
He in my opinion he hasn't improved.
the other contestants have, even jodie, and lisa, who i thought would be out much earlier, have stepped up to the mark,
All i see in john is someone who knows the power of media, and knows how to play the public, well he's spent enough time shadowing politicians so he's learn't a lot!
If people find him entertaining then fine, but as craig would say i find him D.U. L.L.

But that is whats so great about SCD. I think some people are forgetting the celebs are just that, amateurs. No matter how good the celebs may seem dancing it takes years to reach the perfection of the Pros.

That Paso was anything but mediocre it was the best bit of comedy the Beeb has put out in ten years or more. We want more of the same! I wonder if they could do a version of the American Smooth with a Paso base. They would bring the house down preferably on top of the judges.

Ummmm....that's what he did. He said he regretted that better dancers than he were in the dance off, and he knew he wouldn't make the final. He has also said he's grateful for the support.

Why shouldn't he be able to have his say against Craig. He's completely right. The contest is 50:50 for the judges and the public support, and Craig needs to decide whether he is happy to remain with the show on that basis.

I don't think anyone would be sad to see him leave, i would be cheering him off

John also knows how to apply logic to an argument and weed out inconsistencies in someone else's argument. That's called intelligence, its not just about being media savvy, though he probably is more aware of how influential the media is than Craig.

You seem sure that John wouldn't accept Craig on Question Time. So what has John said about Brian Eno, Grayson Perry, June Sarpong, Kirstie Allsopp, Beverley Knight, Davina McCall or John Sessions being on Question Time? Did he suggest that Deborah Bull, being a dancer, didn't deserve her place on the panel?

Has he started a campaign to stop Will Young taking up his invitation to appear?

And Craig knows all about rules as he reminds the celebs every week for any minor transgression.

Weirdly, just went on youtube to show the interview to family who were all elsewhere at the time, and it was 'no longer available' - the first two sections were there (Saturday night and Heather Brian) and the fourth section - Tom Camilla - all still there. This edition is also not yet available on youtube. Don't remember anyone saying anything litigous?

I used to like John but tonight's contribution to ITT was quite an eye opener and he dropped an awful lot in my opinion. To me arrogantly played on his past reputation as a political commentator to try and put forward intellectual sounding arguments. Unfortunately his arguments were weak and biased solely in his own favour and made me question my past opinion of him. What a shame.

Intelligent? , if i was half as intelligent has him i would know that what the judges say is true, just by looking back at the show and comparing my attempt at dancing to everyone elses.

He rubs the judges up the wrong way , he goes against the grain, that is what some people vote for, to stick 2 fingers up at the judges. ( yes some find him entertining) funny even?!

But maybe people in the public eye" known as celebrities" are a breed different to me, because if it was me taking part and i realised i was awful, and someone better than me went out i would feel very bad, and pull out..
its a dancing/entertainment comp not a comedy competition.

What John said tonight made sense. He is sorry to see good dancers go but he is playing within the rules. It's not his fault if people vote for him, he can hardly ask them not to, that would be unfair to Kristina.

Craig took it all well. I can see Craig's pov and agree with him up to a point, it does seem ridiculous that better dancers go, but that's the way the voters want it.

I think there will be even more support for John after tonight. For how long I don't know.

The problem is that if I want to hear an intellectual argument then I'll watch Question Time etc. I thought John was quite cold about it all, and has shown no passion for dancing. For me personally, that's not what I want to see on SCD, but I accept that others may feel differently.

Craig isn't suggesting that we don't play by the rules of the game. He's just saying he doesn't agree with the public and would like them to vote for the better dancers. As judge on SCD he's perfectly entitled to say that, as he's supposed to have the interests of the better dancers as heart.

I also think Craig is fully aware of the impact of his comments on the public, in particular the publicity for SCD.

You'd pull out and inflict yet another two person final on us?

I agree with you. He is excellent as a political reporter but this is not an election campaign.

Try again. I had funny messages a bit earlier, but it's working at the moment.

The point is.......this is not Johns fault he is still in its the public who vote for him.

Rules 50% - judges vote
50% - public vote.

Craig is so used to ripping people apart who are not there to defend themselves or stand in front of the cameras and listens to some of his B/S. Now some of the comments are constructive, but most of them have been utter rubbish and the more the judges come out with stupid comments the more people will vote him in.

Craig got his handed to him on a plate on ITT, and he thought he was going to get away with ripping pieces off John, without any come back. You could see by Craigs face, he was mortified that John had been listening in, and replied in kind, but much more intelligently.

The judges do the process no good with their constant nit picking, its the public keeping John in, he has nothing to do with it. Craig never learns, the more you rip people apart on TV ,the more the public will support them, to get one over on the judges.

LEARNING FROM PAST MISTAKES.

Len - 4
Bruno - 4
Arlene - 3
Craig - 1

let the good times roll.

I disagree, not the public at all, just some of the public. Others of the public, and I am in that number, aren't interested in getting one over on the judges at all.
Last edited by grunson : 10-11-2008 at 22:14

Because it's a dance competition not a circus. John would be questioning the result if an incompetent man won any kind of election & questioning the intelligence & sanity of the public. (cf the last Bush election).

Quite.

Do you think Goodman borrowed that 4 paddle from Craig?

On the contrary what's good about it is how quickly Tom, Austin, Lisa, Cherie, Rachel look like pros


It was about as funny as Jim Davidson...


He finally said it on tonight's ITT, but he hasn't said it quite enough.

Like I said, personally I'd be apologising & asking peeps to support the more talented dancers.

5% = 50% 80% doesnt matter.....its still THE PUBLIC.

I just think the more the judges have a go, the more people will vote him in. Im sure he is feeling bad about other dancers going...however......thats in the rules.

Im sure some people vote to get one over on the judges and others must like his dancing skills.....or something.

But Craig doing what he did on ITT tonight...doesnt help his cause.....at all.

lol@paddle...yes probably....

Yeh me too.

I'm very familiar with him from his policital broadcasts & appearances on HIGNFY, & I liked him in the first round of SCD. But he's been arrogant, sanctimonious & smug & it's clear now that he's just getting off on the self-publicity like any other tabloid starlet.