Originally Posted by CASPER1066:
“5% = 50% 80% doesnt matter.....its still THE PUBLIC.”
“5% = 50% 80% doesnt matter.....its still THE PUBLIC.”
grunson's right - it's just a tiddly section of the voting public.
John strikes back.
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Originally Posted by Christa:
“Yeh me too.
I'm very familiar with him from his policital broadcasts & appearances on HIGNFY, & I liked him in the first round of SCD. But he's been arrogant, sanctimonious & smug & it's clear now that he's just getting off on the self-publicity like any other tabloid starlet.”
“Yeh me too.
I'm very familiar with him from his policital broadcasts & appearances on HIGNFY, & I liked him in the first round of SCD. But he's been arrogant, sanctimonious & smug & it's clear now that he's just getting off on the self-publicity like any other tabloid starlet.”
And the rest of the celebs are there just to make people happy I suppose?
Originally Posted by Christa:
“grunson's right - it's just a small section of the voting public.”
“grunson's right - it's just a small section of the voting public.”
small - large - medium....doesnt matter.....they are all the public.
Originally Posted by dome:
“And the rest of the celebs are there just to make people happy I suppose?”
“And the rest of the celebs are there just to make people happy I suppose?”
At this stage of the competition they're there to be good at dancing.
Originally Posted by CASPER1066:
“small - large - medium....doesnt matter.....they are all the public.”
“small - large - medium....doesnt matter.....they are all the public.”
Next!
I am convinced John is using reverse Phsychology and wants to be out. He cannot say it as it would hurt Kristina to do so and all of his supporters. so if he is a little arrogant it puts folk off.
But the comments to Craig tonight on ITT were spot on.
But the comments to Craig tonight on ITT were spot on.
Originally Posted by Christa:
“At this stage of the competition they're there to be good at dancing.”
“At this stage of the competition they're there to be good at dancing.”
If it was all about dance he wouldn't have been signed up in the first place.
What I find disgusting is the way people attack a persons character because they haven't been voted out.
Originally Posted by Bigears:
“I am convinced John is using reverse Phsychology and wants to be out. He cannot say it as it would hurt Kristina to do so and all of his supporters. so if he is a little arrogant it puts folk off.
But the comments to Craig tonight on ITT were spot on.”
“I am convinced John is using reverse Phsychology and wants to be out. He cannot say it as it would hurt Kristina to do so and all of his supporters. so if he is a little arrogant it puts folk off.
But the comments to Craig tonight on ITT were spot on.”
Craig just puts fuel on the fire........hes a prat.
Originally Posted by dome:
“If it was all about dance he wouldn't have been signed up in the first place.
What I find disgusting is the way people attack a persons character because they haven't been voted out.”
“If it was all about dance he wouldn't have been signed up in the first place.
What I find disgusting is the way people attack a persons character because they haven't been voted out.”
I repeat: "At this stage of the competition they're there to be good at dancing."
Posters are simply criticising the way John has acted in his particular situation. It brings out previously hidden flaws.
Originally Posted by CASPER1066:
“I just think the more the judges have a go, the more people will vote him in. Im sure he is feeling bad about other dancers going...however......thats in the rules.
Im sure some people vote to get one over on the judges and others must like his dancing skills.....or something.
But Craig doing what he did on ITT tonight...doesnt help his cause.....at all.
lol@paddle...yes probably....
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“I just think the more the judges have a go, the more people will vote him in. Im sure he is feeling bad about other dancers going...however......thats in the rules.
Im sure some people vote to get one over on the judges and others must like his dancing skills.....or something.
But Craig doing what he did on ITT tonight...doesnt help his cause.....at all.
lol@paddle...yes probably....
”
I'm in with John for the long haul. What irritates me is that the BBC pick the celebrities of varying abilities then some fixers (so called judges) have the temerity to suggest that the public only vote for the dancers they decide are worthy. Sod that I for one will vote(or not) for who I damn well please.
I like John and Kristina (she even posts on here) they cheer me up on a Saturday night and It's nothing to do with dancing skills. That's obviously the case with a good section of the public. The fact that Cruella is more popular than the motley gang of four adds a bit of spice but I'd vote for John anyway.
Originally Posted by Christa:
“At this stage of the competition they're there to be good at dancing.”
“At this stage of the competition they're there to be good at dancing.”
In your opinion.
Do you pay for everyones tv and phone bill?
I'm fed up with people telling me what I should watch and who I'm allowed to support. If I was that way inclined I'd buy the Daily Mail.
Originally Posted by Christa:
“Yes I agree - I just think it's really selfish. If it were me I'd feel really bad for the people who are good dancers & taking it seriously. I'd thank the public for their support but ask them to put their support behind more deserving contestants.”
“Yes I agree - I just think it's really selfish. If it were me I'd feel really bad for the people who are good dancers & taking it seriously. I'd thank the public for their support but ask them to put their support behind more deserving contestants.”
this is a joke, right?
Originally Posted by Christa:
“I repeat: "At this stage of the competition they're there to be good at dancing."
Posters are simply criticising the way John has acted in his particular situation. It brings out previously hidden flaws.”
“I repeat: "At this stage of the competition they're there to be good at dancing."
Posters are simply criticising the way John has acted in his particular situation. It brings out previously hidden flaws.”
Repeat all you like.
I'm now convinced that I should actually vote this week, so there you go.
More votes for John!
Originally Posted by Christa:
“At this stage of the competition they're there to be good at dancing.”
“At this stage of the competition they're there to be good at dancing.”
Nuts! It's a reality show and the public decide who they like. All the whining don't change that one jot. If it was just down to the gang of four forget it.
Originally Posted by peely:
“John also knows how to apply logic to an argument and weed out inconsistencies in someone else's argument. That's called intelligence, its not just about being media savvy, though he probably is more aware of how influential the media is than Craig.”
“John also knows how to apply logic to an argument and weed out inconsistencies in someone else's argument. That's called intelligence, its not just about being media savvy, though he probably is more aware of how influential the media is than Craig.”
Its a spurious argument he is running though. The rules say the public have half the vote true but they don't say the judges can't point out that their votes produce a ridiculous order or that John is hopeless or that his staying means people with more potential and ability going. The judges are perfectly entitled to point this out. Its a non sequiter to argue that this is against the rules.
He then goes and does the same thing himself. He assumes publicly that people are voting for him because he is funny. Objectively he did little amusing on Saturday and has done less and less in recent weeks. What he's actually realised as someone with a political mind is that the joke is nothing he does - its him staying. He's building himself as the anti-judge candidate because he knows there is a vote there from past experience. He also knows it would evaporate on past examples if he did well so he does less and less and Craig gives him less.
The question is why linger when you can't dance let alone win. Staying there he has no purpose but to boost his own profile and to advertise his new TV argument show by becoming controversial himself. Either that or he actually believes his own political spin that people like him and want him to stay.Its a variant of the political disease of staying on too long and exaggerating your own role . The result is the same - people who might be competitive and who are improving get thrown out and you end up with the final state being less (entertaining or competitive) than it should have been.
Originally Posted by doesmyheadin:
“[This was a classic SCD confrontation, and not unexpected.
I bet John has been dying to have a go at Craig for ages.
Every week he has taken the judges sarcastic and hurtful
comments with good grace and a smile.
But tonight ,WOW, John really spelt it out to Craig. Just outlining the rules of SCD was the best way of responding to Craig, who predictably reacted in his usual arrogant way.
I do not recollect any previous celebs taking such a positive line with the judges. As John said rules are rules.
Doubt if Craig will take up John's suggestion about considering his position.
Keep going John, you a star.”
“[This was a classic SCD confrontation, and not unexpected.
I bet John has been dying to have a go at Craig for ages.
Every week he has taken the judges sarcastic and hurtful
comments with good grace and a smile.
But tonight ,WOW, John really spelt it out to Craig. Just outlining the rules of SCD was the best way of responding to Craig, who predictably reacted in his usual arrogant way.
I do not recollect any previous celebs taking such a positive line with the judges. As John said rules are rules.
Doubt if Craig will take up John's suggestion about considering his position.
Keep going John, you a star.”
Exactly. Craig seems to forget that John, despite his dancing ability, is a very intelligent man and have been playing the media game for over 40 years. John is the kind of person who constantly challenging all the world leaders in the world. he's more brainy than all the four judges put together x 10. He's been nice and polite all these time but it's the right time for him to strike back. Wasn't Craig, Len and the rest keep saying that 'rules are rules', well, what they meant is, if rules are in favour of them, then rules are rules, if the rules are against them, then sob the rules. How fair, open and democratic is that? I think John's argument is brilliant, that wouldn't necessarily make me vote, but I'm certainly convinced by his argument.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Its a spurious argument he is running though. The rules say the public have half the vote true but they don't say the judges can't point out that their votes produce a ridiculous order or that John is hopeless or that his staying means people with more potential and ability going. The judges are perfectly entitled to point this out. Its a non sequiter to argue that this is against the rules.
He then goes and does the same thing himself. He assumes publicly that people are voting for him because he is funny. Objectively he did little amusing on Saturday and has done less and less in recent weeks. What he's actually realised as someone with a political mind is that the joke is nothing he does - its him staying. He's building himself as the anti-judge candidate because he knows there is a vote there from past experience. He also knows it would evaporate on past examples if he did well so he does less and less and Craig gives him less.
The question is why linger when you can't dance let alone win. Staying there he has no purpose but to boost his own profile and to advertise his new TV argument show by becoming controversial himself. Either that or he actually believes his own political spin that people like him and want him to stay.Its a variant of the political disease of staying on too long and exaggerating your own role . The result is the same - people who might be competitive and who are improving get thrown out and you end up with the final state being less (entertaining or competitive) than it should have been.”
“Its a spurious argument he is running though. The rules say the public have half the vote true but they don't say the judges can't point out that their votes produce a ridiculous order or that John is hopeless or that his staying means people with more potential and ability going. The judges are perfectly entitled to point this out. Its a non sequiter to argue that this is against the rules.
He then goes and does the same thing himself. He assumes publicly that people are voting for him because he is funny. Objectively he did little amusing on Saturday and has done less and less in recent weeks. What he's actually realised as someone with a political mind is that the joke is nothing he does - its him staying. He's building himself as the anti-judge candidate because he knows there is a vote there from past experience. He also knows it would evaporate on past examples if he did well so he does less and less and Craig gives him less.
The question is why linger when you can't dance let alone win. Staying there he has no purpose but to boost his own profile and to advertise his new TV argument show by becoming controversial himself. Either that or he actually believes his own political spin that people like him and want him to stay.Its a variant of the political disease of staying on too long and exaggerating your own role . The result is the same - people who might be competitive and who are improving get thrown out and you end up with the final state being less (entertaining or competitive) than it should have been.”
why linger? why linger??
He's not lingering. He's successfully participating in a show in which he was invited to take part.
Crass arguments like this will do nothing except garner more votes for John.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Its a spurious argument he is running though. The rules say the public have half the vote true but they don't say the judges can't point out that their votes produce a ridiculous order or that John is hopeless or that his staying means people with more potential and ability going. The judges are perfectly entitled to point this out. Its a non sequiter to argue that this is against the rules.
He then goes and does the same thing himself. He assumes publicly that people are voting for him because he is funny. Objectively he did little amusing on Saturday and has done less and less in recent weeks. What he's actually realised as someone with a political mind is that the joke is nothing he does - its him staying. He's building himself as the anti-judge candidate because he knows there is a vote there from past experience. He also knows it would evaporate on past examples if he did well so he does less and less and Craig gives him less.
The question is why linger when you can't dance let alone win. Staying there he has no purpose but to boost his own profile and to advertise his new TV argument show by becoming controversial himself. Either that or he actually believes his own political spin that people like him and want him to stay.Its a variant of the political disease of staying on too long and exaggerating your own role . The result is the same - people who might be competitive and who are improving get thrown out and you end up with the final state being less (entertaining or competitive) than it should have been.”
“Its a spurious argument he is running though. The rules say the public have half the vote true but they don't say the judges can't point out that their votes produce a ridiculous order or that John is hopeless or that his staying means people with more potential and ability going. The judges are perfectly entitled to point this out. Its a non sequiter to argue that this is against the rules.
He then goes and does the same thing himself. He assumes publicly that people are voting for him because he is funny. Objectively he did little amusing on Saturday and has done less and less in recent weeks. What he's actually realised as someone with a political mind is that the joke is nothing he does - its him staying. He's building himself as the anti-judge candidate because he knows there is a vote there from past experience. He also knows it would evaporate on past examples if he did well so he does less and less and Craig gives him less.
The question is why linger when you can't dance let alone win. Staying there he has no purpose but to boost his own profile and to advertise his new TV argument show by becoming controversial himself. Either that or he actually believes his own political spin that people like him and want him to stay.Its a variant of the political disease of staying on too long and exaggerating your own role . The result is the same - people who might be competitive and who are improving get thrown out and you end up with the final state being less (entertaining or competitive) than it should have been.”
Best post of the thread.
Unfortunately - the more impressionable minds didn't notice the fallacy & self-publicity in John's argument & were simply impressed with his long words & the fact that he "stood up" to Craig.
Originally Posted by Christa:
“I repeat: "At this stage of the competition they're there to be good at dancing."
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“I repeat: "At this stage of the competition they're there to be good at dancing."
”
At this stage of the competition in SCD5, i.e. Week 9, Kenny Logan who we are instructed needed to "be there to be good at dancing" did a statuesque rumba. He could not hear the beat to save his life, so Ola decided to let her attractive gentleman partner impersonate a handsome statue while she danced round it to loud cheers from fans. Kristina choreographed numerous ingenious routines to suit John, but never yet as a statue.
Kenny was evicted as the Last Five. With 16 couples this year the Last Five will not be reached for another 4 weeks.
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Originally Posted by dome:
“In your opinion.
Do you pay for everyones tv and phone bill?
I'm fed up with people telling me what I should watch and who I'm allowed to support. If I was that way inclined I'd buy the Daily Mail.”
“In your opinion.
Do you pay for everyones tv and phone bill?
I'm fed up with people telling me what I should watch and who I'm allowed to support. If I was that way inclined I'd buy the Daily Mail.”
Way to go
I am with you every word of the way, lol
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I wonder what happened.
Originally Posted by taxi_driving:
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why linger? why linger??
He's not lingering. He's successfully participating in a show in which he was invited to take part.
Crass arguments like this will do nothing except garner more votes for John.”
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why linger? why linger??
He's not lingering. He's successfully participating in a show in which he was invited to take part.
Crass arguments like this will do nothing except garner more votes for John.”
Well said
From the posts I've read here and the people I speak to in RL, John's supporters aren't voting for him because he is 'mediocre' and certainly not because they're enjoying his ‘weekly humiliation' (when Craig said that earlier I thought it just made him look bitter and not a little silly, tbh...), they vote because of the fun in his and Kristina's dances and because it's just so lovely to watch them each week - the way they so obviously love every second of it out there is just a delight.
There is an undeniable 'feel-good factor' about the way John and Kristina dance - and if you're missing that then you're definitely missing out.
There is an undeniable 'feel-good factor' about the way John and Kristina dance - and if you're missing that then you're definitely missing out.
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