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Old 10-11-2008, 22:34
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I was surprised that there was no uproar on Diana's free pass to next weeks show but then I realised that she is quite a popular contestant.

Really, X factor need to sort out their policy on this kind of scenario.

If this happened to an unpopular contestant ie someone who had been in the bottom two consistently and was just about on their way out
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if it was a free pass to the final week......there surely would be uproar.

It would be unlucky for that contestant to be struck out of the competition for being ill...but that is life. If you're too sick to attend a job interview, you don't get given another opportunity.
It's unfair to more people than to the one contestant that is sick for that person to get a free pass. The other contestants have to sweat blood and tears to win millions of vote while her sickness is allows her a significant unfair advantage.

No-one bats an eyelid because Diana is liked but if it was Daniel I'm sure the forum would be buzzing.

Am I wrong in thinking that Rik Waller was disqualified from Pop idol in a similar situation when he was ill. He was then replaced right??
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:35
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I was surprised that there was no uproar on Diana's free pass to next weeks show but then I realised that she is quite a popular contestant.

Really, X factor need to sort out their policy on this kind of scenario.

If this happened to an unpopular contestant ie someone who had been in the bottom two consistently and was just about on their way out
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if it was a free pass to the final week......there surely would be uproar.

It would be unlucky for that contestant to be struck out of the competition for being ill...but that is life. If you're too sick to attend a job interview, you don't get given another opportunity.
It's unfair to more people than to the one contestant that is sick for that person to get a free pass. The other contestants have to sweat blood and tears to win millions of vote while her sickness is allows her a significant unfair advantage.

No-one bats an eyelid because Diana is liked but if it was Daniel I'm sure the forum would be buzzing.

Am I wrong in thinking that Rik Waller was disqualified from Pop idol in a similar situation when he was ill. He was then replaced right??
He had a bye into round 2 but was still to ill to sing
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:37
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Quite a few eyelids have actually been batted... on this forum and elsewhere.
And Rik Waller was given a free pass for week 1 when he was ill, but then replaced by Darius in week 2 when he was still unable to perform.
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:37
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No-one bats an eyelid because Diana is liked but if it was Daniel I'm sure the forum would be buzzing.
I take it you haven't been on this forum over the weekend!
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:38
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I take it you haven't been on this forum over the weekend!
Just what I was about to say!
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:43
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Well the OP is right, there havent really been an uproar, except for forums, which lets face it, are not that significant! Laura being eliminated, now that was an uproar, from Holly Willoughby, to the people on loose women, to even the parliament! I havent heard anything about Diana getting the free pass, outside of the forum!
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:47
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Just what I was about to say!
It's just that the media didn't really pick up on it, but ppl have reacted quite strongly to this!
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:47
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Well, as people said, Pop Idol did the same thing. And I think that show managed to push on past it and do not too bad.

There would have been a bigger backlash if she was eliminated.
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:50
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Well the OP is right, there havent really been an uproar, except for forums, which lets face it, are not that significant! Laura being eliminated, now that was an uproar, from Holly Willoughby, to the people on loose women, to even the parliament! I havent heard anything about Diana getting the free pass, outside of the forum!
Exactly.

Even if they did give Rik Waller a free pass, I still think it is an unfair policy except for the contestant given a free pass.
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:50
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Its the same for ALL - they ALL get a bye if they are too ill. Fair for all!
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:54
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I was surprised that there was no uproar on Diana's free pass to next weeks show but then I realised that she is quite a popular contestant.

Really, X factor need to sort out their policy on this kind of scenario.

If this happened to an unpopular contestant ie someone who had been in the bottom two consistently and was just about on their way out
or
if it was a free pass to the final week......there surely would be uproar.

It would be unlucky for that contestant to be struck out of the competition for being ill...but that is life. If you're too sick to attend a job interview, you don't get given another opportunity.
It's unfair to more people than to the one contestant that is sick for that person to get a free pass. The other contestants have to sweat blood and tears to win millions of vote while her sickness is allows her a significant unfair advantage.

No-one bats an eyelid because Diana is liked but if it was Daniel I'm sure the forum would be buzzing.

Am I wrong in thinking that Rik Waller was disqualified from Pop idol in a similar situation when he was ill. He was then replaced right??
Uh, she is not liked here....

What I don't get is that she is screaming like a banshee on Bonfire Night and then conveniently falls ill in a theme week where she may have struggled

Honestly what is the hype about Diana, she must be the only person I have seen who can be ill and also apply half a pound of make-up and false eyelashes and STILL talk on her VT despite being told to rest her voice

I really can see a mass cull coming soon to get rid of the threats to Diana's 'crown' so she can have a nice easy cruise past the finishing post
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:54
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There would have been a bigger backlash if she was eliminated.
That's just because she is popular. It would be a different story if it was Daniel given the free past or in future shows someone even less talented than Daniel (unlikely ).

If the rules are stated clearly at the start rather than as a when these things happen the backlash could be contained.
The Rik Waller thing gave then a chance to prepare and put a fair rule in place beforehand.
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:58
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If Daniel had laryngitis and had to pull out of the show I do wonder whether they would force him to quit altogether.
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Old 10-11-2008, 23:02
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What I don't get is that she is screaming like a banshee on Bonfire Night and then conveniently falls ill in a theme week where she may have struggled.
'Screaming like a banshee' ...LOL. That's so something I would say. You're spot on though. It can easily work in the contestants favour if their sickness happens to fall on a tough week or if it gets then through to the final week, where another good or better contestant is sacrificed.

Honestly what is the hype about Diana, she must be the only person I have seen who can be ill and also apply half a pound of make-up and false eyelashes and STILL talk on her VT despite being told to rest her voice.
The hype?. She has a raspy voice which some people find interesting. However for me it is still not a first class voice.
She is a sweet girl..but this is business and I cant stand those Jazz hands she' got going on.
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Old 10-11-2008, 23:03
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That's just because she is popular. It would be a different story if it was Daniel given the free past or in future shows someone even less talented than Daniel (unlikely ).

If the rules are stated clearly at the start rather than as a when these things happen the backlash could be contained.
The Rik Waller thing gave then a chance to prepare and put a fair rule in place beforehand.
I don't doubt that there would be mass celebration if Daniel was ejected and people would ignore the unfairness to him. But if the producers of this show (some of whom were the producers that decided Rik Waller's fate on Pop Idol) decided to change the precedent for another contestant without any noted change in the rules, then you would have to wonder what their motivations were.
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Old 10-11-2008, 23:05
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Uh, she is not liked here....

What I don't get is that she is screaming like a banshee on Bonfire Night and then conveniently falls ill in a theme week where she may have struggled

Honestly what is the hype about Diana, she must be the only person I have seen who can be ill and also apply half a pound of make-up and false eyelashes and STILL talk on her VT despite being told to rest her voice

I really can see a mass cull coming soon to get rid of the threats to Diana's 'crown' so she can have a nice easy cruise past the finishing post
Well said!
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Old 10-11-2008, 23:07
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If the rules are stated clearly at the start rather than as a when these things happen the backlash could be contained.
The Rik Waller thing gave then a chance to prepare and put a fair rule in place beforehand.
Their employment terms are in their contracts, it IS stated before they even start. It's just the public aren't usually aware of it until it happens.
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Old 10-11-2008, 23:11
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Their employment terms are in their contracts, it IS stated before they even start. It's just the public aren't usually aware of it until it happens.
If you listened to what Dermott said, its clearly not in the rules or contracts. He said, because of this special circumstance, the producers have decided that she could go through next week! If it was a rule or anything like that, he wouldve obviously stated it!
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Old 10-11-2008, 23:21
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She should have sang with what she had. Her garbled voice sounds like someone in bad need of a good gargle with Oraldene anyway, so I don't imagine we'd have noticed the difference.

And if the limitations of "severe" laryngitis meant she had to abandon the birth pool chirrups, all the better.
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Old 10-11-2008, 23:25
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If you listened to what Dermott said, its clearly not in the rules or contracts. He said, because of this special circumstance, the producers have decided that she could go through next week! If it was a rule or anything like that, he wouldve obviously stated it!
Yes and those special circmunstances are part of the contract, a singer will be given a bye if special circmunstances occur or something along that line
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Old 10-11-2008, 23:29
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If you listened to what Dermott said, its clearly not in the rules or contracts. He said, because of this special circumstance, the producers have decided that she could go through next week! If it was a rule or anything like that, he wouldve obviously stated it!
He said it was considered exceptional circumstances. It was previously stated on here, prior to the show's airing, that the contracts state a bye may be given if the producers deem the circumstances exeptional enough.

As for all the comments about how Diana couldn't manage Mariah Carey week, one wonders if people have forgotten what was said in prior weeks;;

Ooh, Michael Jackson Week - Diana will never manage that with her voice,

Ooh, Big Band Week - Diana will never manage that with her voice,

Ooh, Disco Week - Diana will never manage that with her voice.

Yet she came out and sang in all these themes that people kept saying she couldn't pull off. It makes no difference whether anyone thinks she pulled it off or not, she came out and sang in themes that everyone reckoned she couldn't do. Why does anyone think she wouldn't have done that same with Mariah Carey week?

It wouldn't take a musical genius to adjust one of Mariah's songs to suit Diana and we know the judges would just praise her more for "making the song her own." So there might be a lot of people who would criticise her performance, but how would that be different to all the other weeks she's performed? The truth is, it does her more harm by sitting out a week, because she ends up with people thinking she's got a free pass when others didn't.

There really is no benefit for her to be faking this.
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Old 10-11-2008, 23:49
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Seems the uproar is caused by the fans of other contestants who will fall in Dianas path to victory, pure and simple.

Mariah Carey week may not have suited her, unlike Alex and Rachel, the themes don't seem set to suit her unfortunately. But no other theme has suited her either and each week she has still been the star of the show. The Song she was doing wasn't a particularly "big" Mariah song and was modified for David Cook in AI and that version would have easily suited Diana down to a T, so the excuse of her being unable to sing a song because of theme simply doesn't sit.

She had a doctors opinion not to sing (which actually shows up previous contestants with their "I've been told not to sing but I'm going to anyway" since clearly they weren't told to sing they are just saying it for sympathy if they have a Sh*t performance) Its not in the producers interest not having her sing, she's the star of the show no matter what and I'm sure they lost a lot of revenue having her out of the public vote, even if she hadn't sung she probably would have been safe had she been in the vote so they could have done that.

Basically she was ill and given a week off. Conspiracy theories always come around when people's nose are put out of joint, but remember this is just a reality show, Diana taking a week out isn't causing anyone harm and if its ok with the rule setters then really it should just be accepted.
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Old 11-11-2008, 00:10
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She has a raspy voice
Sounds like a smoker to me.
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Old 11-11-2008, 01:20
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I think they can basically make up the rules as they go along as long as they don't rig the phone vote. Although, this will affect the voting very significantly. I wouldn't be surprised if Diana ended up in the bottom two next week.
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Old 11-11-2008, 01:20
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I doubt it to be honest
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