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Old 10-11-2008, 22:41
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Diana may have had laryngitis, but the "severe" element attached to it is dubious given how she continued to speak coherently to camera. Previous competition entrants in both X Factor and American Idol who develop laryngitis do not speak at all - they write things down on cards. When Mariah Carey was asked about this on Xtra Factor she confirmed you do not speak, you give your voice complete rest.

Laryngitis is not a disease, or of itself an illness, it is inflammation of the larynx and vocal cords. The most likely explanation for Diana developing it, since she does not have a cold/flu, is that she has strained her voice by 'bending it like Beckham'. Two other female singers developed the same, but first Alex and then Ruth continued to perform with what they had.

Rachel had a rough week, her spirit was broken, and on the day of competition she was the subject of front page headlines dragging up her past. She stood there like a shell singing "take a look at me now, I'm just an empty space" and fell to pieces, silent tears pouring down her face as she was judged. Her mental state and ability to perform was not much different than someone who had, for example, received news of a bereavement, and nobody would expect such a person to perform well, if at all.

If Rachel was expected to stand on that stage and make a fool of herself vocally because her emotions affected her voice and made her sing off pitch (anyone's voice does so when overemotional - even a man can sound like a girl when he cries out) then IMO Miss Croak should have soldiered on too, with whatever she had. It's doubtful that she, the favourite and apparent "chosen one", would ever be voted off even if she had made a complete hash of things with half a voice and a downtempo arrangement.

What has probably happened is that Simon didn't want the winner turning in an under par performance, he wanted to protect her development as a future recording artist by removing her from the contest for the week, then there'll never be a duff performance which can black her career copybook.
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:43
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Yes, I can agree with that.
I'm amazed Rachel was able to sing at all considering
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:44
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Diana is extremely talented, Rachel is not. Therefore Simon makes an exception
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:45
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I wished Rachel hadn't.
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:45
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Diana is extremely talented, Rachel is not. Therefore Simon makes an exception
Simon told Rachel that she's one of the best voices he had heard in over 10 years.
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:45
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Diana is extremely talented, Rachel is not. Therefore Simon makes an exception
I would say they are as good as each other- Rachel I can understand the words when she sings!

But I agree with the OP.
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:46
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I thought she was told by a DOCTOR that she risked permanently damaging her voice, thats why she didnt go on. She didn't sound good at all imo and it was the right decision for her health-wise, in terms of letting her comeback next week thats something else entirely. But she can't be blamed for anything that happened - it was the producers decision to allow her to miss a week.
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:46
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Simon told Rachel that she's one of the best voices he had heard in over 10 years.
I bet he regrets saying that now.
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:46
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There was nothing medically wrong with Rachel

Her past came back and bit her on the arse....
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:46
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Rachel had a rough week, her spirit was broken, and on the day of competition she was the subject of front page headlines dragging up her past. She stood there like a shell singing "take a look at me now, I'm just an empty space" and fell to pieces, silent tears pouring down her face as she was judged. Her mental state and ability to perform was not much different than someone who had, for example, received news of a bereavement, and nobody would expect such a person to perform well, if at all.

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Are you sure we're not talking about St Rachel of Assisi, patron saint of Cat Burglars.

She got a bad press! Wow! Shes not so tough now, not so street if she let it affect her.

Because of this she got an easy ride and a much better singer was kicked out because she fell to pieces. Shes being given an easy ride because people fall for the emotion rather then the singing.

Its X-Factor not Sob-Factor.
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:47
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I wished Rachel hadn't.
I have that same wish every week.
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:47
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I have sympathy for Rachael, but the circumstances are not the same.

The specialist said that Diana should not perform.

Diana is a minor.

The producers could not allow her on stage without completely voiding their liability insurance. (Leaving aside the moral issues regarding persuading/allowing a young girl to sing at risk of permanent vocal damage.)
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:47
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There was nothing medically wrong with Rachel

Her past came back and bit her on the arse....

I think her past needs a tetanas jab then
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:49
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Oh and re Rachel, comparing her upset at her CRIMINAL past being revealed - well thats completely different to Diana's medical problems. Rachel's only upset cus of the bad publicity not because of her health!
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:49
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Id be quite happy if neither appeared ever again tbh
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:49
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I bet he regrets saying that now.
Really? He said after her performance that he wants to see her back on the show and that he likes her.

I think he's intelligent enough to see the difference in a performance of woman totally broken down in her confidenc e and a normal live show song performance.
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:50
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Are you sure we're not talking about St Rachel of Assisi, patron saint of Cat Burglars.

She got a bad press! Wow! Shes not so tough now, not so street if she let it affect her.

Because of this she got an easy ride and a much better singer was kicked out because she fell to pieces. Shes being given an easy ride because people fall for the emotion rather then the singing.

Its X-Factor not Sob-Factor.
She's got bad press, that's it?
Do you have any idea what she had to go through last week?
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:50
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I think her past needs a tetanas jab then
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:51
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Oh and re Rachel, comparing her upset at her CRIMINAL past being revealed - well thats completely different to Diana's medical problems. Rachel's only upset cus of the bad publicity not because of her health!
and Diana was dying, jesus,
she has a throat infection all glammed up in her bed.
Better acting next time pls.
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:51
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Are you sure we're not talking about St Rachel of Assisi, patron saint of Cat Burglars.

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LOL!
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:51
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Yes, I can agree with that.
I'm amazed Rachel was able to sing at all considering
lets face it

she cant
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:51
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She's got bad press, that's it?
Do you have any idea what she had to go through last week?
It cant be as painful as us having to listen to her sing.
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:52
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lets face it

she cant
Her performance of Feeling good was outstanding
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:53
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She's got bad press, that's it?
Do you have any idea what she had to go through last week?
.... but surely nothing compared to going to prison, being abused, losing your kids.

I think Rachel was a great actress saturday night!
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Old 10-11-2008, 22:53
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and Diana was dying, jesus,
she has a throat infection all glammed up in her bed.
Better acting next time pls.
She was examined by a DOCTOR and the DOCTOR's advice was NOT to perform
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