Originally Posted by Muggsy:
“I think it's a good bet that Wittgenstein was a better singer.
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“I think it's a good bet that Wittgenstein was a better singer.
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Indeed - and philosophical with it, too
The GET JOHN OUT Appreciation thread
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Originally Posted by taxi_driving:
“John is a nice guy, and he's going to the final.
Vote for John.”
“John is a nice guy, and he's going to the final.
Vote for John.
”
Originally Posted by LazySusan:
“Please no, it will be the beginning of the end for SCD just as Michelle McManus caused the end of Pop Idol.”
“Please no, it will be the beginning of the end for SCD just as Michelle McManus caused the end of Pop Idol.”
It survived Christopher Parker and Julian Clary in the final it will survive John making the final
Originally Posted by ladygardener:
“Now Heather's gone after being in the bottom 2 so often, people will find someone else they don't like and stop voting for them. Let's hope it's John. He's beyond a joke, he doesn't even try, last week he walked most of the time. If he's not fit enough to dance, he should go.
At least we know, that if he is in the bottom 2 he'll go. There's no way the judges are going to keep him in. I feel sorry for his partner, she's been landed with the worst contestant ever, yet has to choreograph a new dance each week for someone who doesn't even want to try.
However, I feel sorry for whoever will be in the bottom 2, if John is kept in again. It's one thing to be voted out because the other dancers are better than you, but to be voted out because Joe Public is playing silly games must be mortifying.”
“Now Heather's gone after being in the bottom 2 so often, people will find someone else they don't like and stop voting for them. Let's hope it's John. He's beyond a joke, he doesn't even try, last week he walked most of the time. If he's not fit enough to dance, he should go.
At least we know, that if he is in the bottom 2 he'll go. There's no way the judges are going to keep him in. I feel sorry for his partner, she's been landed with the worst contestant ever, yet has to choreograph a new dance each week for someone who doesn't even want to try.
However, I feel sorry for whoever will be in the bottom 2, if John is kept in again. It's one thing to be voted out because the other dancers are better than you, but to be voted out because Joe Public is playing silly games must be mortifying.”
I don't think he is the worst contestant ever. Quentin Wilson and at least 2 or 3 others would be more in the running for that before John.
Kristina has done an amazing job - and the fact that they are still there is as much down to her, the charm of their relationship and her sympathetic choreography as anything else.
Originally Posted by LittleNothing:
“It survived Christopher Parker and Julian Clary in the final it will survive John making the final”
“It survived Christopher Parker and Julian Clary in the final it will survive John making the final
”
The field was not as big back in the old days. I know many people appalled that they made the final. Its makes teh show a mockery IMO.
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“^^^^^
See, abbott? John's voters come in truckloads (or taxi-loads)!”
“^^^^^
See, abbott? John's voters come in truckloads (or taxi-loads)!
”
Right on! 5 more votes for John. I have to wait to see the performances - it might be 10 votes if I think he needs them. Should be tax deductable at his age!.
John is charming, witty and above all, completely in the right to stand up to the judges by saying that it's as much about popularity as it is about the dancing, and if they don't like that then they don't have to be on the panel.
That said, he is clearly not up to the demands of dances at this stage of the competition and there are people who should stay longer than him. For the sake of the spectacle and not just the entertainment value of the show, I add my signature to the petition
That said, he is clearly not up to the demands of dances at this stage of the competition and there are people who should stay longer than him. For the sake of the spectacle and not just the entertainment value of the show, I add my signature to the petition
you see I don't get that on SCD. How can you vote before you have seen the dance. Thats what we are voting on isn't it??
Originally Posted by ladygardener:
“Now Heather's gone after being in the bottom 2 so often, people will find someone else they don't like and stop voting for them. Let's hope it's John. He's beyond a joke, he doesn't even try, last week he walked most of the time. If he's not fit enough to dance, he should go.
At least we know, that if he is in the bottom 2 he'll go. There's no way the judges are going to keep him in. I feel sorry for his partner, she's been landed with the worst contestant ever, yet has to choreograph a new dance each week for someone who doesn't even want to try.
However, I feel sorry for whoever will be in the bottom 2, if John is kept in again. It's one thing to be voted out because the other dancers are better than you, but to be voted out because Joe Public is playing silly games must be mortifying.”
“Now Heather's gone after being in the bottom 2 so often, people will find someone else they don't like and stop voting for them. Let's hope it's John. He's beyond a joke, he doesn't even try, last week he walked most of the time. If he's not fit enough to dance, he should go.
At least we know, that if he is in the bottom 2 he'll go. There's no way the judges are going to keep him in. I feel sorry for his partner, she's been landed with the worst contestant ever, yet has to choreograph a new dance each week for someone who doesn't even want to try.
However, I feel sorry for whoever will be in the bottom 2, if John is kept in again. It's one thing to be voted out because the other dancers are better than you, but to be voted out because Joe Public is playing silly games must be mortifying.”
I agree with this also. What is a shame is that some of the celebs are really improving and working hard, whereas he just walks around the floor and JP think this is funny. I dont want to upset anyone but it is the usual thing in this country that someone is being rewarded for mediocrity but as soon as someone is trying hard, they are being labelled cocky and arrogant.
Originally Posted by LittleNothing:
“I find him highly intteligent and articulate. With a very sharp wit and an excellent sense of humour self depricating and humble.
But not arrogant and cocky read into that what you will.”
“I find him highly intteligent and articulate. With a very sharp wit and an excellent sense of humour self depricating and humble.
But not arrogant and cocky read into that what you will.”
But are these qualities best suited to SCD?
Before SCD6 started Brendan Cole commented on John's pre-show publicity and said that people would vote for him in their droves, ensuring that he stayed in for a long time.
http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle5074609.ece
Originally Posted by cj1234:
“I agree with this also. What is a shame is that some of the celebs are really improving and working hard, whereas he just walks around the floor and JP think this is funny. I dont want to upset anyone but it is the usual thing in this country that someone is being rewarded for mediocrity but as soon as someone is trying hard, they are being labelled cocky and arrogant.”
“I agree with this also. What is a shame is that some of the celebs are really improving and working hard, whereas he just walks around the floor and JP think this is funny. I dont want to upset anyone but it is the usual thing in this country that someone is being rewarded for mediocrity but as soon as someone is trying hard, they are being labelled cocky and arrogant.”
I agree. John can sit reading a paper whilst i.e Rachel is sweating buckets to get a score of 35 and in the dance off. There is no reward for hard work anymore.
Originally Posted by bobajot:
“Right on! 5 more votes for John. I have to wait to see the performances - it might be 10 votes if I think he needs them. Should be tax deductable at his age!.”
“Right on! 5 more votes for John. I have to wait to see the performances - it might be 10 votes if I think he needs them. Should be tax deductable at his age!.”
Oh I forgot today seems to be Dad's Army day on another thread so "Vote John the judges don't like it up em"!
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“you see I don't get that on SCD. How can you vote before you have seen the dance. Thats what we are voting on isn't it??”
“you see I don't get that on SCD. How can you vote before you have seen the dance. Thats what we are voting on isn't it??”
Tell some of the other fans about that. I've seen them all declare it. Rachel already has votes in the bag before she even steps on the dance floor this week.
Instead of doing character assassinations on partnerships you don't like, why not promote who your favourites might be?
Nobody likes being told on who they shouldn't vote for and enjoy. You end up increasing their support.
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“you see I don't get that on SCD. How can you vote before you have seen the dance. Thats what we are voting on isn't it??”
“you see I don't get that on SCD. How can you vote before you have seen the dance. Thats what we are voting on isn't it??”
Er this is the first year you can't! They have a bash and then you can dial. I'm just helping the aged
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“But are these qualities best suited to SCD?
Before SCD6 started Brendan Cole commented on John's pre-show publicity and said that people would vote for him in their droves, ensuring that he stayed in for a long time.
http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle5074609.ece”
“But are these qualities best suited to SCD?
Before SCD6 started Brendan Cole commented on John's pre-show publicity and said that people would vote for him in their droves, ensuring that he stayed in for a long time.
http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle5074609.ece”
The producers signed him up, so they must have seen him as having the right qualities.
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“The field was not as big back in the old days. I know many people appalled that they made the final. Its makes teh show a mockery IMO.”
“The field was not as big back in the old days. I know many people appalled that they made the final. Its makes teh show a mockery IMO.”
Well I remember many people were delighted they made the final. Julian Clary in particular imho represented the 'true spirit' of Strictly. Taking a celebrity who cant dance and teaching them them to dance whilst having fun. He started of actually terrified of dancing and by the end of it he could dance not to the same level of Denise and Jill but then they started of at a different level from him.
The competition isnt an even playing field and it never will be, it isnt purley about finding 'the best dancer' and the day it becomes about that will be the day I will stop watching for the first time since summer 2004.
Originally Posted by dome:
“Tell some of the other fans about that. I've seen them all declare it. Rachel already has votes in the bag before she even steps on the dance floor this week.
.”
“Tell some of the other fans about that. I've seen them all declare it. Rachel already has votes in the bag before she even steps on the dance floor this week.
.”
I do, but this thread is about John.
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“I agree. John can sit reading a paper whilst i.e Rachel is sweating buckets to get a score of 35 and in the dance off. There is no reward for hard work anymore.”
“I agree. John can sit reading a paper whilst i.e Rachel is sweating buckets to get a score of 35 and in the dance off. There is no reward for hard work anymore.”
I thought Claudia said on ITT that John is actually right at the top of the "hours trained board".
Academic anyhow, whatever happens from here on in, he is the true winner of SDC 6.
(Along with the delight that is Jodie)
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“I agree. John can sit reading a paper whilst i.e Rachel is sweating buckets to get a score of 35 and in the dance off. There is no reward for hard work anymore.”
“I agree. John can sit reading a paper whilst i.e Rachel is sweating buckets to get a score of 35 and in the dance off. There is no reward for hard work anymore.”
According to It Takes Two last night, John is actually 3rd on the 'most hours trained' list at 166. He has apparently lost 2 stone over the course of the show.
Just because the editing elves put a clip together of John sat reading the paper and answering the phone doesn't mean that is all he does. In fact, they have put clips together of every couple showing perceived slacking in the training room.
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“According to It Takes Two last night, John is actually 3rd on the 'most hours trained' list at 166. He has apparently lost 2 stone over the course of the show.
Just because the editing elves put a clip together of John sat reading the paper and answering the phone doesn't mean that is all he does. In fact, they have put clips together of every couple showing perceived slacking in the training room.”
“According to It Takes Two last night, John is actually 3rd on the 'most hours trained' list at 166. He has apparently lost 2 stone over the course of the show.
Just because the editing elves put a clip together of John sat reading the paper and answering the phone doesn't mean that is all he does. In fact, they have put clips together of every couple showing perceived slacking in the training room.”
Actually the training hours are the time they spend in the dance studios. SO him sitting around counts as hours trained. He puts less effort in then all other 7 couples left IMO.
I agree with the others - I'm not exactly supporting John and agree his time should be over now all that's left are good dancers, but to say he isn't trying is unfair.
He's in the studio more than almost anyone else. Maybe he can't keep up the constant pace of his younger contenders but so what? I think it's very harsh to accuse him of not trying at all.
Unless you're sitting in the training studio watching him I hardly think you can judge his overall effort from a couple of short editted clips!
He's in the studio more than almost anyone else. Maybe he can't keep up the constant pace of his younger contenders but so what? I think it's very harsh to accuse him of not trying at all.
Unless you're sitting in the training studio watching him I hardly think you can judge his overall effort from a couple of short editted clips!
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“I do, but this thread is about John.”
“I do, but this thread is about John.”
There are plenty of threads about him already.
Why waste your energy on someone you obviously don't like and are even less likely to ever meet?
Far better to encourage the fans of your favourite to vote even more.
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“I agree with the others - I'm not exactly supporting John and agree his time should be over now all that's left are good dancers, but to say he isn't trying is unfair.
He's in the studio more than almost anyone else. Maybe he can't keep up the constant pace of his younger contenders but so what? I think it's very harsh to accuse him of not trying at all.”
“I agree with the others - I'm not exactly supporting John and agree his time should be over now all that's left are good dancers, but to say he isn't trying is unfair.
He's in the studio more than almost anyone else. Maybe he can't keep up the constant pace of his younger contenders but so what? I think it's very harsh to accuse him of not trying at all.”
It's beyond harsh, it's ridiculous.
Some of you really do need to get over yourselves.
It's a popularity contest. If it was purely a dance competition they'd stop at the judges marks. That's the format of the show whether people like it or not, and each year there's a no-hoper who get's the public ringing up in their droves.
So what of someone else goes out? They knew the rules when they signed up and so did the judges.
Actually it was a pretty smart move of the producers to get JS on board this year - with his news background combined with his cameo Have I Got News appearances, he was always going to be popular with the public.
Kaching!
It's a popularity contest. If it was purely a dance competition they'd stop at the judges marks. That's the format of the show whether people like it or not, and each year there's a no-hoper who get's the public ringing up in their droves.
So what of someone else goes out? They knew the rules when they signed up and so did the judges.
Actually it was a pretty smart move of the producers to get JS on board this year - with his news background combined with his cameo Have I Got News appearances, he was always going to be popular with the public.
Kaching!
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“I do, but this thread is about John.”
“I do, but this thread is about John.”
No this thread is damn repulsive like a lot of the tantrums going round these boards. Shall we have get the spanner of a car mechanic out or Cherie sucks at Latin get her off the show.
Originally Posted by LittleNothing:
“Well I remember many people were delighted they made the final. Julian Clary in particular imho represented the 'true spirit' of Strictly. Taking a celebrity who cant dance and teaching them them to dance whilst having fun. He started of actually terrified of dancing and by the end of it he could dance not to the same level of Denise and Jill but then they started of at a different level from him.
The competition isnt an even playing field and it never will be, it isnt purley about finding 'the best dancer' and the day it becomes about that will be the day I will stop watching for the first time since summer 2004.”
“Well I remember many people were delighted they made the final. Julian Clary in particular imho represented the 'true spirit' of Strictly. Taking a celebrity who cant dance and teaching them them to dance whilst having fun. He started of actually terrified of dancing and by the end of it he could dance not to the same level of Denise and Jill but then they started of at a different level from him.
The competition isnt an even playing field and it never will be, it isnt purley about finding 'the best dancer' and the day it becomes about that will be the day I will stop watching for the first time since summer 2004.”
That's the thing. you can say you were pleased Julian reached the final and that he represents the 'true spirit of Strictly'. I was supporting Aled, who to me is what Strictly is all about. He wasn't the best but imo he'd improved and deserved to have gone further. Likewise, I supported Darren Gough. 'Strictly come Dancing' IS a dancing show. Its name comes from the old 'Come Dancing' and Baz Luhman's 'Strictly Ballroom'. The producers aren't to know who can and who can't dance before the show starts but those like Gary Rhodes don't last very long.
John is a clever communicator and publicist, as is his partner. Kristina visits these boards and leaves messages. John showed some ability in the early rounds but I found last week's routine tedious. If people want to continue to vote for him that is there prerogative but it's hardly in the spirit of a dancing show.
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