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WelshNige
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by Orderly crazy:
“LMAO That did actually muse me for a while. Yeah i had a joke with peeps, so what. Lol Thats the past.
But it still amuses me that diana fans will do anything to prove diana is 'The best. Is this not a talent competition anymore. And btw, Getting through to the finals does not reflect on talent in the slightest. ”

Talent, like beauty, is in the eye (or ear) of the beholder.....
Fringo
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by hitnmix:
“Ask yourself why do awards shows like the Brits etc ignore artists from X factor. They think its a joke

As for American Idol and different music genre from the start. Just google it as its there fore all to see.”

AI is seen as utter pants in the US too.....
PaulK047
11-11-2008
OP, what an ignorant question.

I like her because I do, I find her voice and the way she performs pretty unique and distinctive compared to the other contestants, most of which are pretty run of the mill and average.

I would like you to explain to me how it is "bullshit" if I think she is the best there?
WelshNige
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by hitnmix:
“Ask yourself why do awards shows like the Brits etc ignore artists from X factor. They think its a joke

As for American Idol and different music genre from the start. Just google it as its there fore all to see.”

So if the Brits think they're a joke, they must be a joke right....

Different music genres does not make a show 'more credible', just more varied in it's content....
Orderly crazy
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by PaulK047:
“OP, what an ignorant question.

I like her because I do, I find her voice and the way she performs pretty unique and distinctive compared to the other contestants, most of which are pretty run of the mill and average.

I would like you to explain to me how it is "bullshit" if I think she is the best there?”

Beacuse just liked Robert and dionne the best in sries three, It does not mean they are the best. Leone was clearly better. lol Simple as. Same in this series.
lady_raven
11-11-2008
The Brit Awards are a joke anyway
Fringo
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by Orderly crazy:
“LMAO That did actually muse me for a while. Yeah i had a joke with peeps, so what. Lol Thats the past.
But it still amuses me that diana fans will do anything to prove diana is 'The best. Is this not a talent competition anymore. And btw, Getting through to the finals does not reflect on talent in the slightest. ”


But what is this "anything" that Diana fans are doing? Aren't they, just like anyone else on here, saying they like her? What has been said or done that proves that they will do anything? I really don't understand you....

Strikes me you just don't like her and you don't want anyone else to but I can't see how her fans are somehow doing anything different than anyone else on here!

At least she's a talking point I suppose.
hitnmix
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“So what, she's on the show and is obviously popular, she may go on and win, she may not, that one's up to the great british public.”

Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“My comment was in reply to your post about contemporary artists not taking part in the x factor as it's somehow above them....

She is contemporary, she is in the show, and she has a good chance of winning.

Try learning how to reply to other posters in a civil and respectful manner, even if they don't agree with your point of view.”


your comments was not relevant at all to the deabte on why about contemporary artists not taking part, Its was you saying so what blah blah blah.

And try taking your own advice first as you just jumped into a good adult deabte bewteen me and another memeber with a post that had no relevant opinon to what we was talking about.
JennyZZ
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by Orderly crazy:
“It still makes me laugh that 90% of the replies include the word 'different' in. And of course other people have drems, but its about who is the most deserving which is proven through a contestents hard work.

And i can't belive someone just metioned the name 'Diana' and the word 'Soulful' In the same sentence. lol ”

And it makes me laugh that you have ignored all the other reasons besides "different". Why ask a question if you're just going to ignore what people say and only hear what you want to hear?
Orderly crazy
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by Fringo:
“But what is this "anything" that Diana fans are doing? Aren't they, just like anyone else on here, saying they like her? What has been said or done that proves that they will do anything? I really don't understand you....

Strikes me you just don't like her and you don't want anyone else to but I can't see how her fans are somehow doing anything different than anyone else on here!

At least she's a talking point I suppose.”

LMAO. ok ok, I would not mind being proven wrong. Everone is still saying the words 'Unique,etc' which still means different. I am open to liking diana, trust me. I actually really wnat to, i do.
I just don't see her being the world class artist that the x factor is designed to find.
Like A Star
11-11-2008
What an ignorant question!

I like Diana, because I like her voice, her personality, the fact that her performance is always the one that stands out for me.

What's wrong with people liking her because she's 'different' anyway?
hitnmix
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by KBBJ:
“'S funny - American musicians say exactly the same about American Idol.

It doesn't really have credibility except it can usually produce a country singer and the country market is a realiable and dedicated one to sell to. It also has the 'rock' personas which we have less of, and a shedload of R&B singers. This is the first year (that I know of) that they've had remotely indie people get into the top 10.

ETA to drag it back on topic, indie people did well on AI it's pleasant for me to see more of that happening on XF as well.”


Yes to bring it back on topic I agree with you it would be great if the show was to turn around and be abit more like AI, But Simon wont let that Happen IMO. As I think for him its about making money quick and fast (eg xmas number one etc) As I dont see him having the long priorite for the artists.
dirrrty
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by Orderly crazy:
“LMAO. ok ok, I would not mind being proven wrong. Everone is still saying the words 'Unique,etc' which still means different. I am open to liking diana, trust me. I actually really wnat to, i do.
I just don't see her being the world class artist that the x factor is designed to find.”

Who do you think is a world class artist in this series?
Orderly crazy
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by Like A Star:
“What an ignorant question!

I like Diana, because I like her voice, her personality, the fact that her performance is always the one that stands out for me.

What's wrong with people liking her because she's 'different' anyway? ”

Because why does that deserve to win the x factor? And im serious now, I really wnat to know.
mrellis33
11-11-2008
I don't think Diana is anything like Adele, Duffy or Amy Winehouse, all strongly influenced by jazz and rhythm and blues music. Diana is far more folk orientated, a music genre i happen to like. I like her because I find her voice interesting to listen too. I find her performances refreshing for this type of show but its unlikely i'll buy her album as she is on X Factor which means all her songs will be drivel written by dodgy songwriters.

Lets get this straight, there are lots of people like me who hate singers like Alex and Laura who try to fit in a thousand notes when one would do. Its the same reason I turn over any Mariah Carey/Whitney/Celine Dion/Christina or Leona Lewis song, I really hate that style of singing. Some people will tell me that these artists are the best female singers in the world, I disagree as they can't reflect any emotion in their voices, too busy trying for that top E. I prefer singers like Annie Lennox and Chrissie Hynde. Artists who can portray the emotion of the words. I think Diana is the closest the X Factor has had to that sort of performer. Will Young was probably the only artist I've seen on any of these shows who actually tries to connect with the song and he has got the success he derserves from that. I really beleive Diana will have the same success.

I understand why people dislike someone like Diana but don't try and make out people are wrong to like her.
WelshNige
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by hitnmix:
“your comments was not erelevent at all to the deabte on why about contemporary artists not taking part, Its was you saying so what blah blah blah.

And try taking your own advice first as you just jumped into a good adult deabte bewteen me and another memeber with a post that had no relevence to what we was talking about.”

Eh, ok, thanks for that reply, that's put me in my place....
Coen
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by Orderly crazy:
“LMAO. ok ok, I would not mind being proven wrong. Everone is still saying the words 'Unique,etc' which still means different. I am open to liking diana, trust me. I actually really wnat to, i do.
I just don't see her being the world class artist that the x factor is designed to find.”

Someone saying that they think Diana is the best contestant on x factor this year is a world away from someone saying that they think she's a world class artist.
Orderly crazy
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by dirrrty:
“Who do you think is a world class artist in this series?”

No one right now, but potentially.............Maybe Alex and Laura was, But the british public are really dumb so shes gone now.
Like A Star
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by Orderly crazy:
“Because why does that deserve to win the x factor? And im serious now, I really wnat to know.”

You're not even making sense.

I think she deserves to win. Because as I've said, I love her voice, her personality, I just love her. So do many others.

That's a good enough reason.
Orderly crazy
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by Coen:
“Someone saying that they think Diana is the best contestant on x factor this year is a world away from someone saying that they think she's a world class artist.”

I know, But world class artists should win the x factor, and people want diana to do that. Add 2 and 2 together....
dirrrty
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by Orderly crazy:
“No one right now, but potentially.............Maybe Alex and Laura was, But the british public are really dumb so shes gone now. ”

After Leona, Alex hasn't a chance of making it big.

I think another reason why people like Diana is because she doesn't try to be the next Mariah/Whitney like Alex/Laura did, and every other girl each year.
WelshNige
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by Orderly crazy:
“LMAO. ok ok, I would not mind being proven wrong. Everone is still saying the words 'Unique,etc' which still means different. I am open to liking diana, trust me. I actually really wnat to, i do.
I just don't see her being the world class artist that the x factor is designed to find.”

The winner of the x factor is the person each year who the public like and vote for more than the other contestants in that series.

That winner may turn out to be 'world class', or they may not.
hitnmix
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“Eh, ok, thanks for that reply, that's put me in my place....”


sorry I just seen the big mess up I made. My bad sever me right trying to do 3 thing at the same time

I meant no relevant opinon to the debate I was having.

And I didnt do it to put you in your place. I just though that your post gave nothing to what was been debated between me and another.
KBBJ
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by hitnmix:
“Yes to bring it back on topic I agree with you it would be great if the show was to turn around and be abit more like AI, But Simon wont let that Happen IMO. As I think for him its about making money quick and fast (eg xmas number one etc) As I dont see him having the long priorite for the artists.”

Yes, it's certainly about Simon and the money. But remember he's chucked 'Imagine' at Eoghan this year (Archie had it last) and gave Austin the same arrangement of Billie Jean that Cook did. Simon may be brilliant at business but he doesn't take risks. He copies what already works.

Given that particularly Jason was 'well-received' by the AI audience despite his dreads, folkiness and small voice, it wouldn't surprise me if Simon thinks more contemporary-sounding people would go down well on XF too. Simon's already stated he wants an Amy Winehouse, so I think we can expect to see more contemporary contestants on XF, which can only be a good thing for viewers like me.

*cough* aslongaswedon'tgetanycountrysingers *cough*
Coen
11-11-2008
Originally Posted by Orderly crazy:
“I know, But world class artists should win the x factor, and people want diana to do that. Add 2 and 2 together....”

World class artists usually don't win though. Leona is the only winner that could come close to meeting that description.

Someone looking at the 12 X factor finalists and picking which one of those 12 that they like the best is nothing to do with thinking that they're a world class artist, its them forming a view on which of those 12 acts they prefer - nothing more.
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