O2 Removed the limitations on GPRS WAY on O2 Pay & Go?

RileyM · 12-11-2008, 10:36

Has anyone else noticed that it looks as if O2 have removed the limitations on what can connect to O2s GPRS for O2 Pay & Go Customers?

I've previously only been able to get web browsing (either via phones included browser, or Opera Mini) & Google Maps to connect with other apps like Fring, eBuddy, Google Mail, Windows Live Messenger & MXit refusing to connect. I heard this was down to "mobile web" (some refer to it as plain GPRS) not being available to Pay & GO customers, but instead something that some people referring to as GPRS WAP being available.

For some reason i tried to connect using Fring last night, and surprisingly it worked! I then tried MXit & Windows Live Messenger and they all connected with no problem.

For me this is great news, as i can now also check/send e-mail from my phones (Nokia E51) built-in e-mail facility without having to be within Wifi coverage. I just hope this is not temporary or an error.

prking · 12-11-2008, 13:14

It wasn't that O2 limited what could connect, but they only allowed PAYG customers to access through their WAP Gateway (port 9201), so anything which used a different port doesn't work. There is a way around this, and that is to use an HTTP proxy, which will allow things like Opera Mini and Gmail to connect. In fact, this is what O2 did, to get Bluebook working on PAYG.

I will try this and see if O2 have removed the restriction on PAYG customers, I thought they might because the the new XDA is available on PAYG and would be useless without a data connection.

prking · 12-11-2008, 13:29

I just tried it, and it works! You can access the full internet without using a proxy. Opera Mini can connect using a socket connection, which is much faster than the HTTP proxy.

I also noticed on the O2 website that they are rolling out a new mobile internet homepage.

RileyM · 12-11-2008, 17:15

Yeah I'm very pleased with this. Hopefully its permanent.

I furst discovered it when using Google Mail 2 on Monday night, and noticed it could connect, but assumed it was a new version and they'd changed the connection.

And to think that i was considering going Pay Monthly (Simplicity) and that unrestricted GPRS was one of my reasons)

Thanks also for explaining the reason for the limited access. Never could understand how was caused

prking · 12-11-2008, 20:30

It was really a matter of O2's policy than a technical limitation. I think that makes O2 the last of the networks to turn off their walled garden.

Dragons_Heartbeat · 12-11-2008, 21:18

Perhaps this is related to the fixing of the Youtube and Facebook problems on the 3G Iphone a few weeks ago on Pay And Go maybe.

prking · 13-11-2008, 07:40

It could be, I wonder whether O2 will increase the Web Bolt-On allowance?

RileyM · 13-11-2008, 10:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by prking

It was really a matter of O2's policy than a technical limitation...

Yes, i'm aware it wasn't a technical limitation, but raather the policy they had. I guess my use of the term "limitation" may have been incorrect. I use it as there policy for Pay & Go users regarding WAP resulted in limitations on the ways in which it could be used

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragons_Heartbeat

Perhaps this is related to the fixing of the Youtube and Facebook problems on the 3G Iphone a few weeks ago on Pay And Go maybe.

What problems were iPhone Pay & GO users having?

On the subject of iPhone Pay & Go users, why is the £10/month Web & Wifi Bolt-On only available to iPhone users?

Quote:

Originally Posted by prking

...I wonder whether O2 will increase the Web Bolt-On allowance?

Good point actually. I hope not, but i'm sure it's possible

EDN1 · 13-11-2008, 14:31

This is fantastic news. I'm hunting for a new phone and one of the reasons I want one to is to use the mobile web on it more often for accessing stuff like email bebo google maps etc.

Brilliant news indeed

Dragons_Heartbeat · 13-11-2008, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by RileyM

What problems were iPhone Pay & GO users having?

On the subject of iPhone Pay & Go users, why is the £10/month Web & Wifi Bolt-On only available to iPhone users?

Hey Riley before o2 sorted it Facebook and Youtube wouldn't load through Pay And Go on the Iphone they would just keep trying to load then timeout plus I'm not sure why the Web & Wifi Bolt on is locked to the Iphone perhaps its due to the 12 month free access to the Bolt on that Pay and Go Iphone customers at the moment I'm in month 3 now.

RileyM · 13-11-2008, 18:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragons_Heartbeat

I'm not sure why the Web & Wifi Bolt on is locked to the Iphone perhaps its due to the 12 month free access to the Bolt on that Pay and Go Iphone customers at the moment I'm in month 3 now.

Hey

Thanks for explaining the problems.

Yeah i know its free for 12 months, but its listed on o2's bolt-on page as being available for £10/month. I was so close to signing up for use on my newly purchased Nokia E51, them i saw it was iphone only

Bang Bang Boom · 17-11-2008, 09:00

confused my wdb bolt on is only £7.50

prking · 17-11-2008, 10:46

Web is 7.50
iPhone Web and Wi-Fi is 10.00

Mrs Doodles · 17-11-2008, 10:58

I am on 02 and have been for the past 3 weeks now i haven't noticed any difference

RileyM · 17-11-2008, 13:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bang Bang Boom

confused my wdb bolt on is only £7.50

"wbd"? Sorry, what would that stand-for?

The Web bolt-on is £7.50 while Web & Wifi (available only to iPhone users) is £10.

EDIT: prking beat me to it

Bang Bang Boom · 17-11-2008, 18:41

yea it was ment to be WEB

so does it let u connect to all the wi fi spots for free then?

RileyM · 17-11-2008, 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bang Bang Boom

yea it was ment to be WEB

so does it let u connect to all the wi fi spots for free then?

No. You need to have the "Web & Wifi Bolt-On" which costs £10/month to connect the the Wi-Fi hotspots However, the Web & Wifi Bolt-On is only available to Apple iPhone Pay & Go users. No idea why they're restricting to to iPhone. I'd be happy to pay £10 to access it with my E51

Bang Bang Boom · 17-11-2008, 23:09

the 200mb cap is bullshit tho

prking · 18-11-2008, 07:56

Its quite difficult to do that much web browsing on a phone. I use it for at least two hours a day and download music and videos a couple of times a week. I rarely use more than 90Mb a month.

Bang Bang Boom · 18-11-2008, 09:01

****in hell... i use upto and sumtimes over 200mb a week. i read somewhere tho they dont start chargin til u reach about 500mb

koantemplation · 18-11-2008, 09:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bang Bang Boom

****in hell... i use upto and sumtimes over 200mb a week. i read somewhere tho they dont start chargin til u reach about 500mb

Yes that was me.
I got a warning txt at 450mb, which said they would start charging at 500mb.

Bang Bang Boom · 18-11-2008, 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by koantemplation

Yes that was me.
I got a warning txt at 450mb, which said they would start charging at 500mb.

was that in a week or month? has it only happened the once?

prking · 18-11-2008, 11:23

How do you manage to browse that much data in a week?

Bang Bang Boom · 18-11-2008, 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by prking

How do you manage to browse that much data in a week?

quite easily

koantemplation · 18-11-2008, 13:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bang Bang Boom

was that in a week or month? has it only happened the once?

That was in a month, I was downloading lots of software at 5mb a time. It has only happened the once, since then I've kept it to 100mb to 150mb.

12-11-2008, 10:36	#1
RileyM Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ely (CB6 - Sandy Heath TX) Posts: 1,623	O2 Removed the limitations on GPRS WAY on O2 Pay & Go? Has anyone else noticed that it looks as if O2 have removed the limitations on what can connect to O2s GPRS for O2 Pay & Go Customers? I've previously only been able to get web browsing (either via phones included browser, or Opera Mini) & Google Maps to connect with other apps like Fring, eBuddy, Google Mail, Windows Live Messenger & MXit refusing to connect. I heard this was down to "mobile web" (some refer to it as plain GPRS) not being available to Pay & GO customers, but instead something that some people referring to as GPRS WAP being available. For some reason i tried to connect using Fring last night, and surprisingly it worked! I then tried MXit & Windows Live Messenger and they all connected with no problem. For me this is great news, as i can now also check/send e-mail from my phones (Nokia E51) built-in e-mail facility without having to be within Wifi coverage. I just hope this is not temporary or an error.

12-11-2008, 13:14	#2
prking Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Weston-super-Mare Posts: 9,167	It wasn't that O2 limited what could connect, but they only allowed PAYG customers to access through their WAP Gateway (port 9201), so anything which used a different port doesn't work. There is a way around this, and that is to use an HTTP proxy, which will allow things like Opera Mini and Gmail to connect. In fact, this is what O2 did, to get Bluebook working on PAYG. I will try this and see if O2 have removed the restriction on PAYG customers, I thought they might because the the new XDA is available on PAYG and would be useless without a data connection.

12-11-2008, 13:29	#3
prking Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Weston-super-Mare Posts: 9,167	I just tried it, and it works! You can access the full internet without using a proxy. Opera Mini can connect using a socket connection, which is much faster than the HTTP proxy. I also noticed on the O2 website that they are rolling out a new mobile internet homepage.

12-11-2008, 17:15	#4
RileyM Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ely (CB6 - Sandy Heath TX) Posts: 1,623	Yeah I'm very pleased with this. Hopefully its permanent. I furst discovered it when using Google Mail 2 on Monday night, and noticed it could connect, but assumed it was a new version and they'd changed the connection. And to think that i was considering going Pay Monthly (Simplicity) and that unrestricted GPRS was one of my reasons) Thanks also for explaining the reason for the limited access. Never could understand how was caused

12-11-2008, 20:30	#5
prking Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Weston-super-Mare Posts: 9,167	It was really a matter of O2's policy than a technical limitation. I think that makes O2 the last of the networks to turn off their walled garden.

12-11-2008, 21:18	#6
Dragons_Heartbeat Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cymru Posts: 2,259	Perhaps this is related to the fixing of the Youtube and Facebook problems on the 3G Iphone a few weeks ago on Pay And Go maybe.

13-11-2008, 07:40	#7
prking Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Weston-super-Mare Posts: 9,167	It could be, I wonder whether O2 will increase the Web Bolt-On allowance?

13-11-2008, 10:20	#8
RileyM Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ely (CB6 - Sandy Heath TX) Posts: 1,623	Quote: Originally Posted by prking It was really a matter of O2's policy than a technical limitation... Yes, i'm aware it wasn't a technical limitation, but raather the policy they had. I guess my use of the term "limitation" may have been incorrect. I use it as there policy for Pay & Go users regarding WAP resulted in limitations on the ways in which it could be used Quote: Originally Posted by Dragons_Heartbeat Perhaps this is related to the fixing of the Youtube and Facebook problems on the 3G Iphone a few weeks ago on Pay And Go maybe. What problems were iPhone Pay & GO users having? On the subject of iPhone Pay & Go users, why is the £10/month Web & Wifi Bolt-On only available to iPhone users? Quote: Originally Posted by prking ...I wonder whether O2 will increase the Web Bolt-On allowance? Good point actually. I hope not, but i'm sure it's possible

13-11-2008, 14:31	#9
EDN1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,646	This is fantastic news. I'm hunting for a new phone and one of the reasons I want one to is to use the mobile web on it more often for accessing stuff like email bebo google maps etc. Brilliant news indeed

13-11-2008, 18:15	#10
Dragons_Heartbeat Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cymru Posts: 2,259	Quote: Originally Posted by RileyM What problems were iPhone Pay & GO users having? On the subject of iPhone Pay & Go users, why is the £10/month Web & Wifi Bolt-On only available to iPhone users? Hey Riley before o2 sorted it Facebook and Youtube wouldn't load through Pay And Go on the Iphone they would just keep trying to load then timeout plus I'm not sure why the Web & Wifi Bolt on is locked to the Iphone perhaps its due to the 12 month free access to the Bolt on that Pay and Go Iphone customers at the moment I'm in month 3 now.

13-11-2008, 18:26	#11
RileyM Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ely (CB6 - Sandy Heath TX) Posts: 1,623	Quote: Originally Posted by Dragons_Heartbeat I'm not sure why the Web & Wifi Bolt on is locked to the Iphone perhaps its due to the 12 month free access to the Bolt on that Pay and Go Iphone customers at the moment I'm in month 3 now. Hey Thanks for explaining the problems. Yeah i know its free for 12 months, but its listed on o2's bolt-on page as being available for £10/month. I was so close to signing up for use on my newly purchased Nokia E51, them i saw it was iphone only

17-11-2008, 09:00	#12
Bang Bang Boom Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Blackpool Posts: 884	confused my wdb bolt on is only £7.50

17-11-2008, 10:46	#13
prking Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Weston-super-Mare Posts: 9,167	Web is 7.50 iPhone Web and Wi-Fi is 10.00

17-11-2008, 10:58	#14
Mrs Doodles Inactive Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Spalding Lincolnshire Posts: 3,927	I am on 02 and have been for the past 3 weeks now i haven't noticed any difference

17-11-2008, 13:02	#15
RileyM Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ely (CB6 - Sandy Heath TX) Posts: 1,623	Quote: Originally Posted by Bang Bang Boom confused my wdb bolt on is only £7.50 "wbd"? Sorry, what would that stand-for? The Web bolt-on is £7.50 while Web & Wifi (available only to iPhone users) is £10. EDIT: prking beat me to it

17-11-2008, 18:41	#16
Bang Bang Boom Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Blackpool Posts: 884	yea it was ment to be WEB so does it let u connect to all the wi fi spots for free then?

17-11-2008, 21:43	#17
RileyM Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ely (CB6 - Sandy Heath TX) Posts: 1,623	Quote: Originally Posted by Bang Bang Boom yea it was ment to be WEB so does it let u connect to all the wi fi spots for free then? No. You need to have the "Web & Wifi Bolt-On" which costs £10/month to connect the the Wi-Fi hotspots However, the Web & Wifi Bolt-On is only available to Apple iPhone Pay & Go users. No idea why they're restricting to to iPhone. I'd be happy to pay £10 to access it with my E51

17-11-2008, 23:09	#18
Bang Bang Boom Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Blackpool Posts: 884	the 200mb cap is bullshit tho

18-11-2008, 07:56	#19
prking Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Weston-super-Mare Posts: 9,167	Its quite difficult to do that much web browsing on a phone. I use it for at least two hours a day and download music and videos a couple of times a week. I rarely use more than 90Mb a month.

18-11-2008, 09:01	#20
Bang Bang Boom Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Blackpool Posts: 884	****in hell... i use upto and sumtimes over 200mb a week. i read somewhere tho they dont start chargin til u reach about 500mb

18-11-2008, 09:21	#21
koantemplation Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Wolf359 Posts: 96,797	Quote: Originally Posted by Bang Bang Boom ****in hell... i use upto and sumtimes over 200mb a week. i read somewhere tho they dont start chargin til u reach about 500mb Yes that was me. I got a warning txt at 450mb, which said they would start charging at 500mb.

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O2 Removed the limitations on GPRS WAY on O2 Pay & Go?

18-11-2008, 10:08	#22
Bang Bang Boom Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Blackpool Posts: 884	Quote: Originally Posted by koantemplation Yes that was me. I got a warning txt at 450mb, which said they would start charging at 500mb. was that in a week or month? has it only happened the once?

18-11-2008, 11:23	#23
prking Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Weston-super-Mare Posts: 9,167	How do you manage to browse that much data in a week?

18-11-2008, 11:42	#24
Bang Bang Boom Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Blackpool Posts: 884	Quote: Originally Posted by prking How do you manage to browse that much data in a week? quite easily

18-11-2008, 13:51	#25
koantemplation Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Wolf359 Posts: 96,797	Quote: Originally Posted by Bang Bang Boom was that in a week or month? has it only happened the once? That was in a month, I was downloading lots of software at 5mb a time. It has only happened the once, since then I've kept it to 100mb to 150mb.