If these programmes are just personality contest why do they insist on dancing or singing in them
SCD is NOT a Dancing Competition!
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Originally Posted by tutti_frutti_79:
“Funny, I always thought that these things where people compete to be the numero uno, where they are judged and where he public were asked to call in for the best dance of the night was a competition.
WTF!!!”
“Funny, I always thought that these things where people compete to be the numero uno, where they are judged and where he public were asked to call in for the best dance of the night was a competition.
WTF!!!”
Yes it's a competition - but not a DANCING competition.
Otherwise, John would have been out WEEKS ago!
No, it's a POPULARITY competition as I said in my original post.
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“Or perhaps those who are after a serious dance competiton should subscribe to a sports channel and leave the rest of us to enjoy some light entertainment?”
“Or perhaps those who are after a serious dance competiton should subscribe to a sports channel and leave the rest of us to enjoy some light entertainment?”
Tell me which Sports channel and I just might.
Um, yeah it is a dance competition. It's a popularity contest as well (if it were just dance, why have a public vote after all) but it IS a dance competition too, which is how and why they were able to get professionals involved in the first instance, why there is a judging panel, et cetera et cetera.
If it were just a popularity contest there would be no need for the judges, for a start, or at least for them to bother giving marks, nor any need for any of the dances to have rules, vaguely resemble the dances they are supposed to be, and so on.
Vote for whomever you like, I've no doubt you will, and probably John will outlive a few other better dancers. That said, John has been a better dancer than some others we've seen, and I doubt he would have the popularity he does if he hadn't clearly tried to some extent, done the training, and improved, even if his improvement hasn't been huge. He's not very good, but he's generally in time and his dances bear some resemblance to what they are supposed to be.
Interestingly, when it's got down to the final two or three, and the audience vote has become more and more important, it usually comes down to dancing. So it seems the GBP don't agree with you when it gets down to brass tacks. Time will tell what happens this year.
Some people would like it to be a pure dance comp - me I like the mixture, frustrating though it can be. But saying "It's not a dance competition at all" ALL OVER THE BOARD doesn't make you right either...
Yep, it's light entertainment, but the celebs training all available hours each day to try and learn their routines would probably be a bit annoyed to have their efforts discounted y'know...
The further SCD goes towards the pure popularity side of the contest, the more boring it becomes, and the more we might as well watch dreck like IACGMOOH. :yawn: :sleep:
The X Factor is a case in point, with so much emphasis on the popularity side of things, it has become less and less about singing, and consequently less and less interesting to watch once you're out of the comedy selection rounds. (Though arguably some of the decisions made in the sing off have been naff all to do with singing) It's producing some of the most boring singers the UK has ever seen. :yawn: If SCD goes that way then personally I shan't bother watching it (just as I have long since given up caring about TXF)
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Merely being the operative word - it's not merely a popularity contest either.
If it were just a popularity contest there would be no need for the judges, for a start, or at least for them to bother giving marks, nor any need for any of the dances to have rules, vaguely resemble the dances they are supposed to be, and so on.
Vote for whomever you like, I've no doubt you will, and probably John will outlive a few other better dancers. That said, John has been a better dancer than some others we've seen, and I doubt he would have the popularity he does if he hadn't clearly tried to some extent, done the training, and improved, even if his improvement hasn't been huge. He's not very good, but he's generally in time and his dances bear some resemblance to what they are supposed to be.
Interestingly, when it's got down to the final two or three, and the audience vote has become more and more important, it usually comes down to dancing. So it seems the GBP don't agree with you when it gets down to brass tacks. Time will tell what happens this year.
Some people would like it to be a pure dance comp - me I like the mixture, frustrating though it can be. But saying "It's not a dance competition at all" ALL OVER THE BOARD doesn't make you right either...
Yep, it's light entertainment, but the celebs training all available hours each day to try and learn their routines would probably be a bit annoyed to have their efforts discounted y'know...The further SCD goes towards the pure popularity side of the contest, the more boring it becomes, and the more we might as well watch dreck like IACGMOOH. :yawn: :sleep:
The X Factor is a case in point, with so much emphasis on the popularity side of things, it has become less and less about singing, and consequently less and less interesting to watch once you're out of the comedy selection rounds. (Though arguably some of the decisions made in the sing off have been naff all to do with singing) It's producing some of the most boring singers the UK has ever seen. :yawn: If SCD goes that way then personally I shan't bother watching it (just as I have long since given up caring about TXF)
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Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“Why would the public need to call in for the best dance when the experts have already given us this information?
Because the show is not merely a dance competition.”
“Why would the public need to call in for the best dance when the experts have already given us this information?
Because the show is not merely a dance competition.”
Merely being the operative word - it's not merely a popularity contest either.
Originally Posted by Judge Dread:
“I like watching the show to see my £200 at 150/1 get through every week.”
“I like watching the show to see my £200 at 150/1 get through every week.”
Nothing to be ashamed of winning money and nothing to be ashamed of saying you enjoy couples dancing.
Originally Posted by welwynrose:
“If these programmes are just personality contest why do they insist on dancing or singing in them”
“If these programmes are just personality contest why do they insist on dancing or singing in them”
Because staring blankly at a TV camera for 5 minutes each would not really be good TV, would it?
They could cook
They could mime something
They could buy and sell things for a profit
They could go busking
They could pretend to be animals
But they would still be voted on for their POPULARITY rather than how they actually performed. It's human nature.
Originally Posted by sarah-flute:
“Merely being the operative word - it's not merely a popularity contest either.”
“Merely being the operative word - it's not merely a popularity contest either.”
Agreed
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“Of course it's in part a dancing contest. The most popular contestant has never won just because they're most popular - they can also dance a bit too!
If there wasn't a dancing competition aspect to it then there'd be no judge's score and it would rely solely on public votes. You obviously cannot discount the popularity angle because it has indeed allowed people to go a lot farther (or not as far) than they should have done. That's why there are two different votes - it allows the show to cover both angles.
No one has yet to win by being utter crap but likeable and I don't currently see John bucking that trend. In 4 of 5 results the best dancer has won (Gough being the exception imo but he was hardly tragically bad).”
“Of course it's in part a dancing contest. The most popular contestant has never won just because they're most popular - they can also dance a bit too!
If there wasn't a dancing competition aspect to it then there'd be no judge's score and it would rely solely on public votes. You obviously cannot discount the popularity angle because it has indeed allowed people to go a lot farther (or not as far) than they should have done. That's why there are two different votes - it allows the show to cover both angles.
No one has yet to win by being utter crap but likeable and I don't currently see John bucking that trend. In 4 of 5 results the best dancer has won (Gough being the exception imo but he was hardly tragically bad).”
Emma Bunton was better in terms of her marks or ability to dance both Latin and ballroom than her male finalists too - half of that year's final was embarrassingly mediocre. . At least they managed to get the right people to the last three in previous series though. This year's public vote could well end up with one good dancer, a person with a story and man strolling pointlessly.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Emma Bunton was better in terms of her marks or ability to dance both Latin and ballroom than her male finalists too - half of that year's final was embarrassingly mediocre. . At least they managed to get the right people to the last three in previous series though. This year's public vote could well end up with one good dancer, a person with a story and man strolling pointlessly.”
“Emma Bunton was better in terms of her marks or ability to dance both Latin and ballroom than her male finalists too - half of that year's final was embarrassingly mediocre. . At least they managed to get the right people to the last three in previous series though. This year's public vote could well end up with one good dancer, a person with a story and man strolling pointlessly.”
And the POPULAR strolling man would win!
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“This year's public vote could well end up with one good dancer, a person with a story and man strolling pointlessly.”
“This year's public vote could well end up with one good dancer, a person with a story and man strolling pointlessly.”
Sounds good to me
Originally Posted by Judge Dread:
“And the POPULAR strolling man would win!”
“And the POPULAR strolling man would win!
”
And you'd pocket £30, 000
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“And you'd pocket £30, 000”
“And you'd pocket £30, 000
”
Well yes, I guess that would be a side-effect!
Originally Posted by Judge Dread:
“Well yes, I guess that would be a side-effect!”
“Well yes, I guess that would be a side-effect!
”
Tell us you haven't been the sole cause of the John fiasco by spending that much over the weeks keeping him in!?
It is 49% a competition, because 49% is the judges' share of the outcome. The title of the show caused all the rumpus. A more accurate description would be
Subjectively Vote Dancing
Subjectively Vote Dancing
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“Tell us you haven't been the sole cause of the John fiasco by spending that much over the weeks keeping him in!?”
“Tell us you haven't been the sole cause of the John fiasco by spending that much over the weeks keeping him in!?”
I'd be lying if I said I had not put a few votes his way. But there are a lot of people who have backed him at big odds. And I mean - A LOT.
I guess they would all be protecting their investments too, maybe?
Originally Posted by Judge Dread:
“Because staring blankly at a TV camera for 5 minutes each would not really be good TV, would it?
They could cook
They could mime something
They could buy and sell things for a profit
They could go busking
They could pretend to be animals
But they would still be voted on for their POPULARITY rather than how they actually performed. It's human nature.”
“Because staring blankly at a TV camera for 5 minutes each would not really be good TV, would it?
They could cook
They could mime something
They could buy and sell things for a profit
They could go busking
They could pretend to be animals
But they would still be voted on for their POPULARITY rather than how they actually performed. It's human nature.”
its not true though. Early BB series gave the title to people with the strongest story, later ones often had someone with a very big unrelated story. DOI recently has given the prize to the most impressive perfromance. Cirque de celebrite saw the votes follow the skill. SCD tends some years to go for hunks with stories but it usually has mobile hunks and some years ability gets you to the top or at least near it. IAC has a bias to the boy b(l)and the elderly but even there some winners get there by showing strengths.
John isn't popular for doing anything either - an anti-judge vote is precisely that. The problem this year is that he's nearest in age to a lot of viewers and there isn't much wow factor to make people worry that he is causing real damage. That may change if someone like Rachel and Austin can produce a real competition
Originally Posted by Judge Dread:
“I'd be lying if I said I had not put a few votes his way. But there are a lot of people who have backed him at big odds. And I mean - A LOT.
I guess they would all be protecting their investments too, maybe?”
“I'd be lying if I said I had not put a few votes his way. But there are a lot of people who have backed him at big odds. And I mean - A LOT.
I guess they would all be protecting their investments too, maybe?”
I was only teasing
I've certainly helped his cause over the weeks
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“John isn't popular for doing anything either - an anti-judge vote is precisely that”
“John isn't popular for doing anything either - an anti-judge vote is precisely that”
The judges have nothing whatsoever to do with my decision to vote for John and Kristina. The pair don't need any help persuading me.
Originally Posted by Judge Dread:
“Because staring blankly at a TV camera for 5 minutes each would not really be good TV, would it?
They could cook
They could mime something
They could buy and sell things for a profit
They could go busking
They could pretend to be animals
But they would still be voted on for their POPULARITY rather than how they actually performed. It's human nature.”
“Because staring blankly at a TV camera for 5 minutes each would not really be good TV, would it?
They could cook
They could mime something
They could buy and sell things for a profit
They could go busking
They could pretend to be animals
But they would still be voted on for their POPULARITY rather than how they actually performed. It's human nature.”
If performance has no bearing on it at all then it must be a very odd coincidence the winners of SCD have always been talented. How Jill ever beat Julian is clearly a complete mystery. Obviously nothing to do with the fact she could dance.
Originally Posted by sarah-flute:
“Um, yeah it is a dance competition. It's a popularity contest as well (if it were just dance, why have a public vote after all) but it IS a dance competition too, which is how and why they were able to get professionals involved in the first instance, why there is a judging panel, et cetera et cetera.
If it were just a popularity contest there would be no need for the judges, for a start, or at least for them to bother giving marks, nor any need for any of the dances to have rules, vaguely resemble the dances they are supposed to be, and so on.
Vote for whomever you like, I've no doubt you will, and probably John will outlive a few other better dancers. That said, John has been a better dancer than some others we've seen, and I doubt he would have the popularity he does if he hadn't clearly tried to some extent, done the training, and improved, even if his improvement hasn't been huge. He's not very good, but he's generally in time and his dances bear some resemblance to what they are supposed to be.
Interestingly, when it's got down to the final two or three, and the audience vote has become more and more important, it usually comes down to dancing. So it seems the GBP don't agree with you when it gets down to brass tacks. Time will tell what happens this year.
Some people would like it to be a pure dance comp - me I like the mixture, frustrating though it can be. But saying "It's not a dance competition at all" ALL OVER THE BOARD doesn't make you right either... Yep, it's light entertainment, but the celebs training all available hours each day to try and learn their routines would probably be a bit annoyed to have their efforts discounted y'know...
The further SCD goes towards the pure popularity side of the contest, the more boring it becomes, and the more we might as well watch dreck like IACGMOOH. :yawn: :sleep:
The X Factor is a case in point, with so much emphasis on the popularity side of things, it has become less and less about singing, and consequently less and less interesting to watch once you're out of the comedy selection rounds. (Though arguably some of the decisions made in the sing off have been naff all to do with singing) It's producing some of the most boring singers the UK has ever seen. :yawn: If SCD goes that way then personally I shan't bother watching it (just as I have long since given up caring about TXF)
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Merely being the operative word - it's not merely a popularity contest either.”
“Um, yeah it is a dance competition. It's a popularity contest as well (if it were just dance, why have a public vote after all) but it IS a dance competition too, which is how and why they were able to get professionals involved in the first instance, why there is a judging panel, et cetera et cetera.
If it were just a popularity contest there would be no need for the judges, for a start, or at least for them to bother giving marks, nor any need for any of the dances to have rules, vaguely resemble the dances they are supposed to be, and so on.
Vote for whomever you like, I've no doubt you will, and probably John will outlive a few other better dancers. That said, John has been a better dancer than some others we've seen, and I doubt he would have the popularity he does if he hadn't clearly tried to some extent, done the training, and improved, even if his improvement hasn't been huge. He's not very good, but he's generally in time and his dances bear some resemblance to what they are supposed to be.
Interestingly, when it's got down to the final two or three, and the audience vote has become more and more important, it usually comes down to dancing. So it seems the GBP don't agree with you when it gets down to brass tacks. Time will tell what happens this year.
Some people would like it to be a pure dance comp - me I like the mixture, frustrating though it can be. But saying "It's not a dance competition at all" ALL OVER THE BOARD doesn't make you right either...
Yep, it's light entertainment, but the celebs training all available hours each day to try and learn their routines would probably be a bit annoyed to have their efforts discounted y'know...The further SCD goes towards the pure popularity side of the contest, the more boring it becomes, and the more we might as well watch dreck like IACGMOOH. :yawn: :sleep:
The X Factor is a case in point, with so much emphasis on the popularity side of things, it has become less and less about singing, and consequently less and less interesting to watch once you're out of the comedy selection rounds. (Though arguably some of the decisions made in the sing off have been naff all to do with singing) It's producing some of the most boring singers the UK has ever seen. :yawn: If SCD goes that way then personally I shan't bother watching it (just as I have long since given up caring about TXF)
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Merely being the operative word - it's not merely a popularity contest either.”
You can have a dancing competition where people vote on different things - skill, difficulty, consistency ability to work together, effort, progress, emotional content, excitement, risk taking, acting ability.........
Its not appropriate though to vote in a dancing competition for someone who makes the judges angry when he stays or even for someone who is funny. You wouldn't want a funny chef who couldn't cook to win a cookery competition or a non-driver to win a driving competition or a tone death mumbler to win a singing competition.
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