Eh- how is that
None of this is John's fault, or is it ?
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Originally Posted by mr.bojangles:
“Aren't we forgetting something? It's ALL Cherie's fault!
”
“Aren't we forgetting something? It's ALL Cherie's fault!
”
The bias in favour of older celebs applies both to her and to John.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“The bias in favour of older celebs applies both to her and to John.”
“The bias in favour of older celebs applies both to her and to John.”
from the viewers or the judges
Certainly Cherie's ballroom has been credible, but in latin she was overmarked.
But John has been crucified in his latin
Originally Posted by nanscombe:
“As long as John goes before the final what does it REALLY matter?
If the three best dancers get to the final isn't that ALL that matters?”
“As long as John goes before the final what does it REALLY matter?
If the three best dancers get to the final isn't that ALL that matters?”
No.
Quote:
“Who cares if all the non-finalists go out a week (or so) earlier than they would like, they were leaving anyway.”
“Who cares if all the non-finalists go out a week (or so) earlier than they would like, they were leaving anyway.”
I care for a start. I want to see more dances from the better dancers among the celebs. I don't care only about the final. I'm watching it all along, every week.
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“from the viewers or the judges
Certainly Cherie's ballroom has been credible, but in latin she was overmarked.
But John has been crucified in his latin”
“from the viewers or the judges
Certainly Cherie's ballroom has been credible, but in latin she was overmarked.
But John has been crucified in his latin”
Viewers, mostly. It's seen in some other shows too, such as "I'm a Celebrity".
There was a rumour eariler in the day that he was thinking of quitting due to the pressure of the judges and and other people having digs at him, then again it is only just that a rumour
Originally Posted by bingoman:
“There was a rumour eariler in the day that he was thinking of quitting due to the pressure of the judges and and other people having digs at him, then again it is only just that a rumour”
“There was a rumour eariler in the day that he was thinking of quitting due to the pressure of the judges and and other people having digs at him, then again it is only just that a rumour
”
I think if that is true then everyone needs to get some bleeding perspective. It's a fairly cheap (but money spinning) Saturday teatime TV show which has no impact on anybodies life in real terms...who cares if Cherie or even Austin is voted off? Who cares is John wins and Craig blows his top?
Rant over. I need to stop watching reality TV - well, I need to stop listening to anyone else's opinion on it.
The point is there can only be one winner - and I imagine that person is already getting a lot of votes. It's not like these celebs are getting paid according to what round they get to, or earning money for charity which again is dependent on how far they get in the competition.... So what is the big deal? John won't win. But he's made it a lot more fun and a lot more charming than it is most years.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“No, there is nothing that says the public votes for entertainment. (Or that the judges mark only on technical ability.)”
“No, there is nothing that says the public votes for entertainment. (Or that the judges mark only on technical ability.)”
No there isn't - so what?
Nobody is forcing people to vote for him, that should tell you something.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“No.
I care for a start. I want to see more dances from the better dancers among the celebs. I don't care only about the final. I'm watching it all along, every week.”
“No.
I care for a start. I want to see more dances from the better dancers among the celebs. I don't care only about the final. I'm watching it all along, every week.”
The majority rules - 'twas ever thus.
Originally Posted by Christa:
“Am loving your work networkbabe. Highly intelligent, well-informed posts.”
“Am loving your work networkbabe. Highly intelligent, well-informed posts.
”
No they are not.
Originally Posted by LiamEgan:
“No there isn't - so what?”
“No there isn't - so what?”
So the post I was answering was wrong.
Quote:
“Nobody is forcing people to vote for him, that should tell you something.”
“Nobody is forcing people to vote for him, that should tell you something.”
What should it tell me? There could still be any of a number of very different reasons why he's getting votes.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“So the post I was answering was wrong.
What should it tell me? There could still be any of a number of very different reasons why he's getting votes.”
“So the post I was answering was wrong.
What should it tell me? There could still be any of a number of very different reasons why he's getting votes.”
Let's go back to what the show is.
People who are not dancers are partnered with a professional dancer. They learn routines and dance moves so they can compete, eventually there will be a winner.
Rules basically, the judges give marks for each couple, these represent half the total points.
The public have the opportunity to phone in and cast their votes, this makes up the other 50% of the marks.
Now what difference does it make if the people who phone in vote for someone, maybe because they like the shoes they are wearing, their nice dress/suit/hair-do or because they liked the person when they appeared in "A Touch of Frost".
As a viewer you can vote for any of these reasons- it is not against the rules - end of story.
If someone, either the public or the BBC are unhappy with this, or decide that this format is not working then why not change the rules to prevent such a situation in a future series?
Simple, and would eliminate all this whinging about it being unfair to "better" dancers, and the quite unwarranted attacks on JS
Originally Posted by LiamEgan:
“Let's go back to what the show is.
People who are not dancers are partnered with a professional dancer. They learn routines and dance moves so they can compete, eventually there will be a winner.
Rules basically, the judges give marks for each couple, these represent half the total points.
The public have the opportunity to phone in and cast their votes, this makes up the other 50% of the marks.
Now what difference does it make if the people who phone in vote for someone, maybe because they like the shoes they are wearing, their nice dress/suit/hair-do or because they liked the person when they appeared in "A Touch of Frost".
As a viewer you can vote for any of these reasons- it is not against the rules - end of story.
If someone, either the public or the BBC are unhappy with this, or decide that this format is not working then why not change the rules to prevent such a situation in a future series?
Simple, and would eliminate all this whinging about it being unfair to "better" dancers, and the quite unwarranted attacks on JS”
“Let's go back to what the show is.
People who are not dancers are partnered with a professional dancer. They learn routines and dance moves so they can compete, eventually there will be a winner.
Rules basically, the judges give marks for each couple, these represent half the total points.
The public have the opportunity to phone in and cast their votes, this makes up the other 50% of the marks.
Now what difference does it make if the people who phone in vote for someone, maybe because they like the shoes they are wearing, their nice dress/suit/hair-do or because they liked the person when they appeared in "A Touch of Frost".
As a viewer you can vote for any of these reasons- it is not against the rules - end of story.
If someone, either the public or the BBC are unhappy with this, or decide that this format is not working then why not change the rules to prevent such a situation in a future series?
Simple, and would eliminate all this whinging about it being unfair to "better" dancers, and the quite unwarranted attacks on JS”
Have no problem with this. IMHO it is multiple voting which is seriously skewing the results this year. If only 10% of the voters do this compared with 20% of the JS voters it will produce an unbalanced percentage in John's favour.
Originally Posted by bingoman:
“There was a rumour eariler in the day that he was thinking of quitting due to the pressure of the judges and and other people having digs at him, then again it is only just that a rumour”
“There was a rumour eariler in the day that he was thinking of quitting due to the pressure of the judges and and other people having digs at him, then again it is only just that a rumour
”
Please let it be true (as long as he is not upset by leaving) or he may win.
Won't happen. If he chooses to stand down there'd be another BBC scandal. Thousands of people asking for their money back from voting.
Sorry anti-John guys but you're going to have to get over it and accept that not everyone agrees with you. Deal with it...
Sorry anti-John guys but you're going to have to get over it and accept that not everyone agrees with you. Deal with it...
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Have no problem with this. IMHO it is multiple voting which is seriously skewing the results this year. If only 10% of the voters do this compared with 20% of the JS voters it will produce an unbalanced percentage in John's favour.”
“Have no problem with this. IMHO it is multiple voting which is seriously skewing the results this year. If only 10% of the voters do this compared with 20% of the JS voters it will produce an unbalanced percentage in John's favour.”
Yes I agree, perhaps the show's producers should think about reviewing the way this should all work.
There are lots of ideas that could be considered, nothing is likely to be perfect.
Perhaps viewer voting could be excluded from the semi-final stage, or alter the percentage of viewer votes to less than 50% on a sliding scale towards the end of the competition, one phone line one vote (of course this might not be considered fair where several people want to vote in the same household).
Lots of things that could be done, but I ask myself:
The JS situation has not hurt the viewing figures for the show, a little controversy keeps it in the public eye.
Am I really bothered if it is unfair to the "better" dancers? I feel it is really difficult to feel sorry for any of them going out of the show, they have not suffered from the publicity and exposure at all, it can only enhance anything they go on to do in the future.
Also possibly all of them earn more in a week than most of the viewers earn in a year, possibly longer. I don't think anyone on the show comes out to badly.
I say take the show for what it is - entertainment.
Last edited by LiamEgan : 18-11-2008 at 17:15
Originally Posted by Veri:
“So the post I was answering was wrong.
What should it tell me? There could still be any of a number of very different reasons why he's getting votes.”
“So the post I was answering was wrong.
What should it tell me? There could still be any of a number of very different reasons why he's getting votes.”
I read somewhere that a poll revealed that 4 out of 10 JS voters admitted their support was merely to offend the judges, so John's fan base is not so genuinely fond of his style or entertainment factor but a direct hit at an entirely separate entity. I'd guess that another 4 vote purely to watch temptress Kristina for another week so that leaves only 1 or 2 who actually like John himself.
Originally Posted by bingoman:
“There was a rumour eariler in the day that he was thinking of quitting due to the pressure of the judges and and other people having digs at him, then again it is only just that a rumour”
“There was a rumour eariler in the day that he was thinking of quitting due to the pressure of the judges and and other people having digs at him, then again it is only just that a rumour
”
To be honest i bet alot of people would like to see that happen.No doubt he is feeling some what uncomfortable regarding the current situation.But it looks like the guy is going to stick to his guns & just carry on.Good on him
If you really feel the need to blame anyone................. 
Taken from Greytop's thread
Taken from Greytop's thread
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“Fernia Verdanis Creator of SCD on Radio 5 This morning
The person who came up with the original idea was on Radio 5 this morning. She was asked if the show was concieved as a dancing or a personality contest. She said that her original idea was 'wouldnt it be funny' to have celebs learning to dance. Then went on to say it was an entertainment programme first and foremost or they would have brought back 'come dancing' and wouldnt have filled it full of sportsmen, comediens and political journalists. !!!
Its on iplayer if you want to listen she is on from 2hrs 51 mins in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00ffjvc”
“Fernia Verdanis Creator of SCD on Radio 5 This morning
The person who came up with the original idea was on Radio 5 this morning. She was asked if the show was concieved as a dancing or a personality contest. She said that her original idea was 'wouldnt it be funny' to have celebs learning to dance. Then went on to say it was an entertainment programme first and foremost or they would have brought back 'come dancing' and wouldnt have filled it full of sportsmen, comediens and political journalists. !!!
Its on iplayer if you want to listen she is on from 2hrs 51 mins in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00ffjvc”
Originally Posted by vidalia:
“John's journey from former political commentator that not many people were aware of”
“John's journey from former political commentator that not many people were aware of”
I agree with the reply that some of us were aware of JS before SCD (I actually found him funnier before SCD -- that time he was swept aside by Maggie's entourage, for example) but I do feel that he is new to a lot of the bandwagon-joiners who are (sorry, were) voting for JS...
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