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Old 17-11-2008, 21:18
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There's been a lot of hype in the US for the movie "Twilight" so I checked up on it on Wikipedia and, Jesus, Joss Whedon should get his lawyers involved! It is a complete ripoff of Buffy and it amazes me that the media in the US are not stating that fact.

For those that don't know Twilight is about a teenage girl with separated parent who moves to a small town and falls in love with a 100 year old vampire who has given up on drinking human blood and only drinks animals.They can't sleep together as bad things might happen in the throes of passion and their relationship is shaken up by the arrival of figures from the vampires past (Spike & Dru anyone?) who want to kill the girl.

How on earth are the getting away with this obvious copy? I'd love to know what Joss thinks.

Here's the wiki link -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_(2008_film)
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Old 17-11-2008, 21:28
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How dare someone else use vampires!


Since Buffy & Angel, there's been the short-lived "Moonlight", about... a vampire PI with morals, who was turned by his bride x years before, and has now fallen for a mortal woman...

Way before Buffy & Angel, there was "Forever Knight", about... a vampire detective (cop, not private) with morals, who longs to be human, and has fallen for a mortal woman...


Does the girl have Buffy-esque Slaying powers?
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Old 17-11-2008, 21:45
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The books have been around for a few years, haven't they? I know a couple of girls at work who have been reading through the series all year, before the movie was known about.

From what they've said, it doesn't sound very much like Buffy at all. It's as much of a rip off of that as it is of Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles, i.e. not very much of a rip off at all.
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Old 17-11-2008, 21:47
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The books have been around for a few years, haven't they? I know a couple of girls at work who have been reading through the series all year, before the movie was known about.

From what they've said, it doesn't sound very much like Buffy at all. It's as much of a rip off of that as it is of Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles, i.e. not very much of a rip off at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_(novel)

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Twilight is a young adult vampire/romance novel written by author Stephenie Meyer. It was originally published in hardcover in 2005.
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Old 17-11-2008, 21:55
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looking at the promo poster it does look alot like buffy & Angel,almost an exact copy but you can't stop every vampire film that comes out just because it has vampires in it.

Joss whedon Could have made a buffy/angel finale film..he didn't and these guys did..looks interesting
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Old 17-11-2008, 22:14
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Get a clue, it's nothing like Buffy. It's a tragic love story about a girl who falls in love with a vampire, and wants to turn herself into one so they can be together forever.
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Old 17-11-2008, 22:33
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Get a clue, it's nothing like Buffy. It's a tragic love story about a girl who falls in love with a vampire, and wants to turn herself into one so they can be together forever.
You might want to re-read that sentence.

I don't think it's a rip-off per se, it's just not very original by the sound of things.
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Old 17-11-2008, 22:42
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It's in the same genre, and there are certain genre conventions. It's quite normal for stories in this genre to feature tragic romances between humans and vampires. Buffy was not the first story about vampires with similar themes, and it shows limited perspective to expect it to be the last.
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Old 17-11-2008, 22:51
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As mentioned, buffy was hardly original, which isn't a criticism, because if buffy acted as a gateway to other pop culture/movies, then great. Same principle applies to twilight.

It's a throwaway popcorn movie aimed at teenage girls. Really, who cares?
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Old 17-11-2008, 22:54
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True Blood is a story about a woman falling for a vampire but if that's as far as you go you won't realise every other aspect of the production and story, same for Twilight and for Buffy as well.
Come to think of it Moonlight was at it's core a romance between a woman and a vampire and then there is Blood Ties and that movie Innocent Blood and before Kindred, lets forget an original concept and look for the unique elements of each show
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Old 18-11-2008, 00:28
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There's been a lot of hype in the US for the movie "Twilight" so I checked up on it on Wikipedia and, Jesus, Joss Whedon should get his lawyers involved! It is a complete ripoff of Buffy and it amazes me that the media in the US are not stating that fact.

For those that don't know Twilight is about a teenage girl with separated parent who moves to a small town and falls in love with a 100 year old vampire who has given up on drinking human blood and only drinks animals.They can't sleep together as bad things might happen in the throes of passion and their relationship is shaken up by the arrival of figures from the vampires past (Spike & Dru anyone?) who want to kill the girl.

How on earth are the getting away with this obvious copy? I'd love to know what Joss thinks.

Here's the wiki link -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_(2008_film)
Maybe somebody copy and pasted the Buffy Summary to Twilight's?

If not - that is a blatant rip off!
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Old 18-11-2008, 01:28
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I'd be happy if the creators and especially the media in general would acknowledge the debt it owes to Buffy but there seems to be no mention of it in any of the reviews.
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Old 18-11-2008, 01:40
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Hey, it came to Meyer in a dream and is completely original and you're just jealous anyway of her writing skills.

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Old 18-11-2008, 02:46
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I'm a huge Buffy fan, but anything that gets Kirsten Stewart some more recognition is fine by me. Unfortunately, she doesn't seem to pick her scripts particularly well, so I don't have high hopes for the film.
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Old 18-11-2008, 03:39
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I'd be happy if the creators and especially the media in general would acknowledge the debt it owes to Buffy but there seems to be no mention of it in any of the reviews.
Why don't you do something more productive than posting complete crap?

Other than characters being vampires and teenagers that go to high school, there is nothing at all similar (at least with Twilight, the subsequent books expanded on the drama).

Twilight is a horror romance, quite literally about a girl fantasising over a vampire, the vampire saving her ass from others that want to feast on her, and then the girl wanting to turn herself into a vampire.

Buffy was never about that. And even if it was, big frakkin' deal! The same premise has been told many times before. Ever heard of Bram Stoker or Anne Rice?
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Old 18-11-2008, 06:36
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Buffy was never about that. And even if it was, big frakkin' deal! The same premise has been told many times before. Ever heard of Bram Stoker or Anne Rice?
Yes, they both ripped off Buffy so blatantly.
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Old 18-11-2008, 06:38
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I'd be happy if the creators and especially the media in general would acknowledge the debt it owes to Buffy but there seems to be no mention of it in any of the reviews.
Yeh but Whedon ripped of Buffy from Rhonda the Immortal Waitress
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Old 18-11-2008, 06:43
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Having read the Twilight books, and being a huge fan of Buffy I can safely say that they're not very similar. I mean sure, the way you've described it there makes it sound like a complete rip-off, but there's really much more to Twilight than that. Not once when reading the books was I reminded of Buffy (and believe me, crayons remind me of Buffy for crying out loud!). I guess what I'm saying is, I don't blame you for thinking they sound similar, but I think you should give Twilight a chance and at least go see it before making conclusions. I'm a huge Joss fan and would gladly fight his corner, but here there's just no need.
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Old 18-11-2008, 08:47
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Doesn't *every* vampire story involve a girl falling for the vampire?
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Old 18-11-2008, 09:02
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Yeh but Whedon ripped of Buffy from Rhonda the Immortal Waitress
Oooh... Nice obscure Whedon reference there.

I don't doubt that Twilight (the 2005 book) is indeed inspired by (amongst other things) BTVS. Then again, I'm sure Stephenie Meyer would happily acknowledge that. Whedon has his references for Buffy, too.
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Old 18-11-2008, 11:29
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Oooh... Nice obscure Whedon reference there.

I don't doubt that Twilight (the 2005 book) is indeed inspired by (amongst other things) BTVS. Then again, I'm sure Stephenie Meyer would happily acknowledge that. Whedon has his references for Buffy, too.
Glad someone got it

The thing is this whole thread and to an extent some of Whedons fans can be a little over zealous when it comes to sticking up for his shows.

Buffy was NOT original you could find several Japanese animes that had the high school cheerleader's fighting Demons/Vampires/Monsters and one which Whedon quoted around the time the original movie came out had one who falls in love with a Vampire whilst he was possesed with a soul for a short time.

Those comics/animes were ripe for someone to come along and translate them for the western audience, wether he would admit to it now or not Whedon clearly managed to do that and do it well.
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Old 18-11-2008, 13:22
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the premises are simular and the romance is as intense. However there are fundimental differences

1) Buffy was based on the idea of a monster following a blond girl into an alley and the girl kicking it's backside. She is physcially strong and agile. The story develops to show what price she has to pay for this physical and mental strength ("being the slayer is making me feel dead inside")

2) Bella Swan is not only has no more physcial strength then the average human, but she's significantly more clumsy. She trips over anything and faints from time to time. (based on the twilight book anyway)

so it goes back to the traditional fragile heroine bringing out the desire in the male hero to look after her. Not that Angel never saved Buffy, but she was as tough, if not tougher then him and fought as equals side by side.

(nb - avoided breaking dawn spoilers for those who havn't read it yet)
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Old 18-11-2008, 14:38
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*Frantically tries to remember name of vampire novel about girl whose parents split up and then she falls for a vampire lad who is trying to turn his back on drinking human blood and their doomed romance*
*googles* The Silver Kiss and it turns out the girls mum is dying not parents split up, god bless tinternet!

Also Lost Boys.... also well all of them... it goes with the territory as much as people in zombie stories not using the z word.
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Old 18-11-2008, 15:08
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I'd be happy if the creators and especially the media in general would acknowledge the debt it owes to Buffy but there seems to be no mention of it in any of the reviews.
When was the first book published though?

Something like Laurell K Hamiltons 'Anita Blake' series (a young, attractive female vampire executioner) might also be considered to have been heavily influenced by Buffy ... EXCEPT the first books in that series pre-date Buffy by several years. So did Joss get his inspiration from them?
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Old 18-11-2008, 15:32
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When was the first book published though?
2002

Something like Laurell K Hamiltons 'Anita Blake' series (a young, attractive female vampire executioner) might also be considered to have been heavily influenced by Buffy ... EXCEPT the first books in that series pre-date Buffy by several years. So did Joss get his inspiration from them?
Actually, the original Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie (1992) predates the first 'Anita Blake' book (Guilty Pleasures, 1993) by a year.
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