What has happened to Rachel's staggering 39 points from the judges?

On the hot topic of John and Kristina staying on thanks to home voter support, and more generally the principle of staying on against the express wishes of 4 judges, many persons have made comments. A summary below citing source. If anyone can update this list, please do.

Those against are already well known, headed by Craig, Arlene and James. If anyone wishes to compile a list of those against, that would be of interest, not least to ensure balance.

Brendan - Sunday SCD
Ola - revealed by James on ITT yesterday
Heather - on ITT last week
Brian - on ITT
Darren - on ITT last week
Lilia - on ITT last week (in the cha cha "The best Twist she ever saw on TV")
Alesha - on Radio Five(?) yesterday
Claudia - on ITT yesterday seen as pro-John by many

Bruno - in one newspaper gave his description of the heads of those opposed to John staying, suggesting Bruno may be breaking rank from the other 3 judges.

Len - the Head Judge's position is painful to pinpoint. In many places he said voters should vote as the judges, but in another ITT phone call he did say voters were free to vote as they liked. On ITT last night his response verged on an irritated "No comment".

I'm not sure if it makes any difference but when I said gracious and lovely I was reffering to James and mostly Cherie as opposed to John and Kristina. I didn't phrase that properly, sorry about that! James seemed keen to say that his opinion was a personal one.

I'm probably missing the point here but I thought I should check

Anton on The Wright Stuff this morning said he thought Arlene had overstepped the mark with some of her comments regarding John.

Brendan's Girl, I did not see that broadcast. As Cherie's position appears unclear I have removed the reference to her. Thanks for your clarification.

Just because some people are making positive comments in possibly awkward situations how does that constitute a 'position'- have you clarified with them all personally?

Also, peoples positions change so this is not really a very sound indication is it?

I have not.
Nor have I confirmed Craig's and Arlene's position personally. Maybe they do not hold a position on this issue?

FelineFantastic, to clarify with yourself personally, do you have a stand on this please? As the word position appears possibly OTT, I have rephrased it as "many have made comments". but the software will not allow amendment to thread title. Trust the rephrasing is more acceptable, and sincere thanks for your feedback.

I agree. I'd guess with some of them at least they're being tactful rather than actually thinking it's a good thing that John is still in the competition at the expense of some of those who have left.

They may not really want John to win its called damage limitation for some
also IMO


Heather it was a sarcastic comment imo 4 times in the dance off when she was the better dancer (I don't blame her I would be a bit miffed)

Brian supporting Kristina well what do you expect

Len & Bruno trying to play down the support and stop it going in to the stratosphere

If that was the best twist Lilia had ever seen she wants to look a bit harder again tougue in cheek comment she is out what does it matter to her if she was in she wouldn't be saying these things she would be keeping her mouth firmly shut

Brendan just said he had as much right as anyone to be there thats not declaring a position. again damage limitation if he had said its bad he might of lost more votes

Are you trying to tell me that Alesha would have wanted to go out instead of John and she would have been gracious I think not.

When say Austin & Tom(for example) are in the dance off on sunday lets see what Erin & Camilla have to say praising john I don't think so

I can indeed clarify for you Soulmate, and with myself!

I like John, don't disagree with the format etc BUT I do disagree with the fact that this is now detracting from the show as a whole- as you mentioned in your first post- there has been little to no celebration of the good dancing at all this week and I can't see it changing in the least.

The forum is now swamped with John threads and the Beeb are continuing to ramp up the attention on him alone and I think this is wrong and its killed my enjoyment of the show.

Sounds about right to me

Obviously Alesha wouldn't have wanted to go out instead of John, but to suggest that had she been in that position she would not have been gracious about it is a bit of a slur on her good manners.

I don't mean she would of ran round shouting I hate John

But she wouldn't have been sitting there saying Oh I would love john to win in place of the best dancer on the show

Heather - From what I've seen of Heather, who I supported, I don't think sarcasm is in her repertoire.

Brian - He would be expected to support his pro partner but he is also supporting Lisa.

Brendan - he said before the series had even started that John would stay in for a long time. JS got a lot of pre- show publicity in all sections of the press.

Thank you FelineFantastic for a reply which I am going to file in my Gracious box.

On ITT last night, James said at the end of his "bit" that he had fallen out with his wife, because she wanted JS to win. That's declaring a position isn't it? Does it count?

More than welcome SM

Hope everyone else is equally as polite and gracious to you while stating their own position

I think Len was right last night when he said he would rather talk about something else. It is all getting a bit out of hand and with all the publicity I can't see John ever being voted out!

Why ask him to take part in the first place, or are some people expected to be early exit fodda. I have always thought the public voting thing has it's faults, and perhaps the person with the highest score should be exempt from the vote?

At the end of the day I just don't know what to think about John anymore, I have voted for him when there were others I'ld prefer to see go even if they were dancing better and he has been entertaining (now the whole situation is turning a bit nasty).

None of this controversy has been engineered by John personally. He is a nice chap enjoying himself and doing his best. He is entertaining too.
I understand the judges pov but I also understand other points of view.
People have the right to vote wherever they choose.

I think people are getting fed up now and maybe the tide will turn - not against John as such, because he is obviously very pleasant and a good sport, but his votes will probably go to others who dance better. Then he will bow out graciously, having had a very good time.

Then we will be left with a group of excellent dancers (& we will miss John!!!).

Shame Len didn't think that on the results show, he alongside James ignited it again and then Arlene added yet more fuel to ensure a blaze.

Stop stop stop.

Do you all suffer from OCD or what?

Change the record and perhaps then the show will calm down and we can all enjoy it.

John is there for better or for worse, making it into a massive issue does nothing for the show. If it wasnt such a big drama then he may not have still been there.

This forum is getting boring, every other thread is John, John John.

I thought Rachel's rumba was fantastic.

Absolutely.
Do we really need another John thread?

I feel sorry for John, it's not his fault people keep voting him in. It's not as if he is refusing to go to upset everyone else. Cherie apparently has said the John situation is turning the show into a soap opera - I don't know exactly how that was put because I only saw the headline.

It was good but I'm not a fan of the rumba on the whole

Austin's tango was v good

and I enjoyed brendan and lisa dance even if they got low marks

Jeremy Paxman - supportive on TV today, Newsnight coverage likely.