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New Rules for SCD 2009
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mindyann
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“But John's "supporters" are very evidently picking up the phone to VOTE for him which is why he escapes the bottom two.

Those who complain about his continued presence in the show need to do the same for THEIR favourites rather than just moaning about the outcome.

Not a JS supporter BTW (I was a Cherie fan), I find him amusing and he isn't ruining the show for me. The judges reactions and those of some people on here are doing that”

And the funny thing ... as yet John has not been in the bottom 2 as many times as Kate was (if he is there on Saturday he will draw level) - nor has he lasted as long as Kenny did (2 more weeks to go before he can finish in 5th place).
soulmate61
19-11-2008
I have another idea -- rename Greenwich Mean Time as

Craig and Arlene Mean Time
Gwydhyel
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“I have another idea -- rename Greenwich Mean Time as

Craig and Arlene Mean Time”



And Bruno could have his own version of Chico Time
mintchocchip
19-11-2008
Sorry but I don't agree with this.

Why bother with the public vote then?

Eventually I can see them scrapping it all together and calling the show 'Come Dancing with your favourite celebrities.'
soulmate61
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by mindyann:
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I'd go if you find yourself in the dance off 3 times, then you are automatically out - the judges can only 'save' you twice (but as that takes power away from the judges, can't see that one flying)”

Len just told me,
if a dancer forgets 3 heel leads he is evicted.
kaycee
19-11-2008
Great idea - I hope it's true, but we all know better than to believe everything we read in newspapers - ANY newspapers!
Veri
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“Will anybody bother voting then??

it would completely negate any purpose of a public vote at all. If a couple was bottom of the leader board for the 3rd week running they may as well cancel the results show dance off etc for that week and not have a public vote at all.”

So it wouldn't "completely negate any purpose of a public vote at all". It would, at most, do it in such weeks.

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“John is obviously popular with the public who are keeping him in.

If this is brought in it means that they will have to ensure that the contestants are all on a more level playing field to start with to make it more fair. ”

The same rules would apply to all of the contestants, so what would be "unfair"?

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“It was clear from the first programmes that certain contestants were head and shoulders above the rest (Tom Austin Rachel Cherie (at first)) and others were cannon fodder (Phil Gillian Jessie Gary JOHN).

SCD IS NOT a pure dancing competition - it is a light entertainment show as well which is why the result comes from two sources. The judges vote on the technical dancing side and the public vote on the light entertainment side. ”

That's wrong about both. The judges do not mark only on the technical dancing side, and the public can vote however they want. They don't have to vote "on the light entertainment side". I certainly don't.

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“If the judges were more objective and impartial with their marks and comments the public vote may not be so out of kilter with the judges (I actually have a sneaky feeling that John apart, the voting on the rest of the pack would mostly agree with the judges).

The judges need to look at the dances on two levels -

1. the technical merit and artistry of the performance given on the night: AND

2. the relative improvement of the celebs week on week from their own starting point.”

If they took improvement into account, the marking would become even more subjective than it is now.

It would also encourage gameplans in which celebs pretend to be worse than they are at the start. And even if celebs don't actually do that, there will be plenty of accusations.
Veri
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“I think the new idea will only work IF the modify it to the couple with three consecutive weeks at the bottom of the leaderboard will automatically do the dance-off.

Then when it happens, the other couple with the lowest public vote will compete with the 'automatic' couple in a dance-off and the judges can pretend to be heartbroken having to let one couple go. ”

Good point. Then the whole issue of "what about the results show?" would crumble into dust. As would the idea that voting would be pointless in weeks when someone was "automatic".
A Cillay
19-11-2008
I'm at a loss as to how that would affect the Johns of the competition.

Are they seriously telling us John would survive three weeks in the dance off?
WickedPlans
19-11-2008
It's a stupid idea that will not work.

A single judge could take a dislike to a couple and give them 1 point for 3 weeks running. This would almost certainly put them at the bottom of the table and out of the show.
memmh
19-11-2008
Much as I like John, I felt he should have been out a couple of weeks ago, however, I accepted that the public had a right to vote however they saw fit. I don't believe the rules should be changed to the point that they overrule the public vote or what's the point in having the vote? And I don't want to be told my vote is worthless or how I should vote (and that's exactly what those supposed changes are saying) because I strongly believe I have the right to make my own decisions and that I have a right to freedom of choice.

As I've said before, if they want to change the rules, then either have the public vote worth no more than 25% of the contestants' overall scores, instead of the present 50%, or else have the public vote only between the four contestants who are bottom of the judges' leaderboard. With the latter option, at least I'd still feel I was making my own choice.
kaycee
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by A Cillay:
“I'm at a loss as to how that would affect the Johns of the competition.

Are they seriously telling us John would survive three weeks in the dance off?”


I read it to mean that if John, or someone like him, was at the bottom of the leaderboard after the judges marks, 3 weeks running, they would automatically be sent packing. It would mean that on that 3rd week no voting would be necessary, but as none of the voting money now goes to charity, I don't see that would matter. And it isn't likely to happen very often - maybe once in a series at absolute most.
empty
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“But John's "supporters" are very evidently picking up the phone to VOTE for him which is why he escapes the bottom two.

Those who complain about his continued presence in the show need to do the same for THEIR favourites rather than just moaning about the outcome.
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That's all well & good, but the people wanting John to stay, for whatever reason, need to vote once. People that think that John deserves to go would have to vote for all the other dancers in the competition to cancel out one "John" vote, and let's face it, who in this current climate can afford to do that? Especially as the money doesn't go to charity anymore.

My suggestions, if it has to be changed, would either be as per memmh's suggestion, you vote for who you want to stay, but you only have the choice of the bottom 3 or 4 couples, or change it so that people vote for who they want to go, like on BB evictions.
newkid30
19-11-2008
Why don't they just get rid of the public vote so, if the judges want to maintain all the power? Who would bother voting when it will have no impact?
DavidJames
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“That way is a damp squib as well though because if you have been bottom of the leader board 3 weeks on the trot and automatically in the dance off - then the dance off is irrelevant - you're off!”

Well, probably - but at least you have a chance, nominal though it might be.

Reading this a bit more, it's just a proposal at the moment - in fact, it's likely been leaked simply to see how the public will react to that idea.
memmh
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by empty:
“My suggestions, if it has to be changed, would either be as per memmh's suggestion, you vote for who you want to stay, but you only have the choice of the bottom 3 or 4 couples, or change it so that people vote for who they want to go, like on BB evictions.”

Not to blow my own trumpet or anything but those would seem to be the best two options. I was just about to add a suggestion about voting for who you want to go instead of who you want to keep in
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