I heard this and thought Claudia didn't expect that. I think James is entitled to an opinion and I think he is probably wishing that John had done this last week as Cherie was voted off. Perhaps he is thinking of how upset she may have been. We don't know.
Jame Jorden, WTF are you going on about??
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Originally Posted by JethroUK:
“Got to agree - It's a bit rich James critisieing John for quiting when only last Saturday he was indirectly critising John for staying in the competition.”
“Got to agree - It's a bit rich James critisieing John for quiting when only last Saturday he was indirectly critising John for staying in the competition.”
Being annoyed about the public voting for the worst dancer and being annoyed about someone voluntarily dropping out are separate things.
I agree with James in a couple of respects:
1. This has now become the John Sergeant show. All the focus is on him, and the other couples are getting forgotten, which is ridiculous.
2. It now means (unless the BBC do the right thing and postpone this week's elimination) that there will only be 2 couples in the final, which is really disappointing, since 3-couple finals are so much more exciting.
Having said that, James wasn't very pleasant in the way he said all that.
Originally Posted by mourinhosmissus:
“I agree. When he told Tess that the public would keep him in, it made me cringe. I'd liked him up until then but then I thought 'how arrogant'.”
“I agree. When he told Tess that the public would keep him in, it made me cringe. I'd liked him up until then but then I thought 'how arrogant'.”
That was tongue in cheek, it's called humour. I doubt he expected to be saved.
Originally Posted by mourinhosmissus:
“More attention than being all over the news and no doubt on the front page of every newspaper tomorrow, plus an extended 'It Takes Two' tonight (not to mention the loss of 'Eggheads')? I doubt it!”
“More attention than being all over the news and no doubt on the front page of every newspaper tomorrow, plus an extended 'It Takes Two' tonight (not to mention the loss of 'Eggheads')? I doubt it!”
He was all over the papers anyway and has been the last couple of weeks. After this weekend all this attention goes.
Every person I knew who was voting, was voting for him. I really think he would have made the final.
Originally Posted by CoolGloo:
“Can everyone who is saying James was wrong explain why John needs to have a 'farewell dance' of his choosing?
”
“Can everyone who is saying James was wrong explain why John needs to have a 'farewell dance' of his choosing?
”
I imagine as a thank you to the people who voted for him.
And perhaps for Kristina?
Just a thought.
As I understood it he wanted the competition to be judged on the dancing and not on popularity, but as such John should have stayed in so he could be judged on his dancing (which wasn't the best).
Originally Posted by Puffle:
“I totally agreed with James - basically JS didn't want to go through the humiliation of a dance off - er why??? That's part of the show and the others accept that - if you don't like it don't agree to take part.
By quitting he's deprived another contestant of a place in the final as the BBC are too arrogant to actually realise that we want a 3 person final, as James said someone else will still go this week so JS has achieved nothing except making sure that this series will primarily be remembered because of the John Sergeant Controversy NOT because Tom/Austin/Rachel/Lisa/Jodie or Christine won it.”
“I totally agreed with James - basically JS didn't want to go through the humiliation of a dance off - er why??? That's part of the show and the others accept that - if you don't like it don't agree to take part.
By quitting he's deprived another contestant of a place in the final as the BBC are too arrogant to actually realise that we want a 3 person final, as James said someone else will still go this week so JS has achieved nothing except making sure that this series will primarily be remembered because of the John Sergeant Controversy NOT because Tom/Austin/Rachel/Lisa/Jodie or Christine won it.”
The judges created the controversy, not John. He was just playing by the rules of the show. If the judges had not kicked up such a fuss about John staying in every week, NONE of this would have happened.
Originally Posted by Snaggle:
“Jame's was very clear - what he said on Sunday was for the PUBLIC to vote for the dancing.”
“Jame's was very clear - what he said on Sunday was for the PUBLIC to vote for the dancing.”
James came across very badly today, and on Saturday. Although he is entitled to his opinion, the way this opinion is conveyed counts. I think it's very bad manners attacking another couple even if it is indirectly. I hope if he comes back, he gets the worst partner of all and is then told by someone else that the public should vote for the best dancer. Has anyone actually considered how disrespectful his comment was to Kristina on Saturday? I had warmed to James this year, but now I realise it was all for show.
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“What a complete scum-bag. He does his best to belittle John on Monday, then when John graciously resigns on Wednesday he calls him a coward.
I think James would be best advised to stay clear of any pubs, clubs or bars for a while, feelings towards him are becoming most unpleasant.”
“What a complete scum-bag. He does his best to belittle John on Monday, then when John graciously resigns on Wednesday he calls him a coward.
I think James would be best advised to stay clear of any pubs, clubs or bars for a while, feelings towards him are becoming most unpleasant.”
Are a few JS loving hoodies going to do him over?
Originally Posted by bob ling:
“I imagine as a thank you to the people who voted for him.
And perhaps for Kristina?
Just a thought.”
“I imagine as a thank you to the people who voted for him.
And perhaps for Kristina?
Just a thought.”
Oh right, because he is special in some way compared to the other contestants is he?
Maybe Heather and Cherie should come back to do a 'farewell dance' too, or perhaps Phil Daniels?
You have quit, so do one mate
James came across as indecisive and heartless.
A very odious man.
Brendan - all is forgiven. You are a saint in comparison.
A very odious man.
Brendan - all is forgiven. You are a saint in comparison.
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“I stand by what I said before about James. He should not have said what he did where he said it. He chose the wrong time and place and contributed imo to John's decision. It's a bit late to start regretting a two person final. None of us wanted that.
In mitigation, James isn't the most articulate of pros and he may not have meant it how it came out.”
“I stand by what I said before about James. He should not have said what he did where he said it. He chose the wrong time and place and contributed imo to John's decision. It's a bit late to start regretting a two person final. None of us wanted that.
In mitigation, James isn't the most articulate of pros and he may not have meant it how it came out.”
I agree completely that James comment on Sunday night would have contributed big time to John's decision. But James is probably not the only one that made John's life uncomfortable. John mentioned a couple of times about celebrities who are desperate to win can now fight it out.
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“What a complete scum-bag. He does his best to belittle John on Monday, then when John graciously resigns on Wednesday he calls him a coward.
I think James would be best advised to stay clear of any pubs, clubs or bars for a while, feelings towards him are becoming most unpleasant.”
“What a complete scum-bag. He does his best to belittle John on Monday, then when John graciously resigns on Wednesday he calls him a coward.
I think James would be best advised to stay clear of any pubs, clubs or bars for a while, feelings towards him are becoming most unpleasant.”
I admire James for what he said and actually totally agree with everything he said. He might not have said it in the most articulate way but he certainly hit the nail on the head.
James has also repeated said that he and Cherie deserved to go and he appealed to the PUBLIC to vote on the dancing. By John leaving in such a way it makes a martyr of him. I like John but I think he knows exactly what he is doing - and has made the best possible exit strategy. Gained a huge amount of attention and got to leave on his terms.
Anton's face during James being interviewed was great.
Just the way he turned his head away off set as if to say "Oh god, whats he done now" made me burst into hysterics.
Just the way he turned his head away off set as if to say "Oh god, whats he done now" made me burst into hysterics.
Originally Posted by bob ling:
“When someone says, "I might sound like I'm contradicting myself," rest assured they are.
However, on one point this odious man was consistant - he was a tosser at the start of the interview and he was a tosser at the end.
For tosser substitute "bully" at your discretion.”
“When someone says, "I might sound like I'm contradicting myself," rest assured they are.
However, on one point this odious man was consistant - he was a tosser at the start of the interview and he was a tosser at the end.
For tosser substitute "bully" at your discretion.”
Originally Posted by Puffle:
“I totally agreed with James - basically JS didn't want to go through the humiliation of a dance off - er why??? That's part of the show and the others accept that - if you don't like it don't agree to take part.
By quitting he's deprived another contestant of a place in the final as the BBC are too arrogant to actually realise that we want a 3 person final, as James said someone else will still go this week so JS has achieved nothing except making sure that this series will primarily be remembered because of the John Sergeant Controversy NOT because Tom/Austin/Rachel/Lisa/Jodie or Christine won it.”
“I totally agreed with James - basically JS didn't want to go through the humiliation of a dance off - er why??? That's part of the show and the others accept that - if you don't like it don't agree to take part.
By quitting he's deprived another contestant of a place in the final as the BBC are too arrogant to actually realise that we want a 3 person final, as James said someone else will still go this week so JS has achieved nothing except making sure that this series will primarily be remembered because of the John Sergeant Controversy NOT because Tom/Austin/Rachel/Lisa/Jodie or Christine won it.”
Surely you must see that James saying what he did on the Results Show is what precipitated John's withdrawal. If he had waited until ITT things might have been different.
IMHO time for James to go!
John can't do right for doing wrong. James totally contradicted himself and made himself look like a total fool.
James and the judges can act all 'its so very sad' 'he's so selfish' etc etc!
But it was the bile thrown at him from the judges that caused all this and James well don't get me started on him. His moaning on saturday and on ITT etc would have got to John including everything in the press and media.
My heart goes out to John he was doing what he felt was right for the show. To see the better dancers continue and i feel if he had continued in the show he would have been made to feel very unwelcome which i feel was already quite evident.
I felt so sorry for Kristina
I hope very much thats she's back next year.
I dont blame john in the slightest, if any of the celebs or pros were anywhere near as nasty as James can you imagine the atmosphere back stage.? They are all so desperate to win.
Originally Posted by loz2601:
“Made perfect sense to me. Didn't express it brilliantly, but his ideas were spot on.”
“Made perfect sense to me. Didn't express it brilliantly, but his ideas were spot on.”
Totally agree all three people expressed the same thing.
I liked John at first but like he said himself the joke is wearing thin
Originally Posted by halcyondays:
“I agree with James!!
By John leaving he has made it WORSE for the dancers left in.
There is now only 2 people in the final, whereas had John stayed in the comp there would have been 3.
He has robbed someone of the final experience, I think John would have been voted out with 5 or 4 left.”
“I agree with James!!
By John leaving he has made it WORSE for the dancers left in.
There is now only 2 people in the final, whereas had John stayed in the comp there would have been 3.
He has robbed someone of the final experience, I think John would have been voted out with 5 or 4 left.”
In other words, John was damned whether he stayed or went. He was basically just there to make up the numbers for a few weeks so the judges didn't have to try and separate a full compliment of good dancers before the danceoff. When I saw on ITT on Monday that James even said that John should go before Saturday's performances, let alone what he said in the Sunday show and tonight, I felt nothing but sorrow for John and Kristina. What a horrible way for the experience to have to end for them both.
Tonight on ITT, John said his wife got a phone call recently complaining about him being still in the competition. I wonder how much of a factor that was in all this.
Originally Posted by CoolGloo:
“Can everyone who is saying James was wrong explain why John needs to have a 'farewell dance' of his choosing?”
“Can everyone who is saying James was wrong explain why John needs to have a 'farewell dance' of his choosing?
”
He's getting to dance because the schedule has been prepared for the number of dancers left in the show. Or would you prefer another 2 minutes of Brucie jokes?
Originally Posted by CoolGloo:
“Oh right, because he is special in some way compared to the other contestants is he?
Maybe Heather and Cherie should come back to do a 'farewell dance' too, or perhaps Phil Daniels?
You have quit, so do one mate”
“Oh right, because he is special in some way compared to the other contestants is he?
Maybe Heather and Cherie should come back to do a 'farewell dance' too, or perhaps Phil Daniels?
You have quit, so do one mate
”
I think they did a farewell dance if you recall. In fact, two if you include the dance-off.
Originally Posted by chipstick10:
“I dont blame john in the slightest, if any of the celebs or pros were anywhere near as nasty as James can you imagine the atmosphere back stage.? They are all so desperate to win.”
“I dont blame john in the slightest, if any of the celebs or pros were anywhere near as nasty as James can you imagine the atmosphere back stage.? They are all so desperate to win.”
My sentiments exactly.
Originally Posted by Snaggle:
“Totally agree with James. All he is effectively saying is that John should have stayed and been voted off by the public.”
“Totally agree with James. All he is effectively saying is that John should have stayed and been voted off by the public.”
That's great, but the other day he was saying he had no place in the comp and other dancers were getting voted out because of John?
How many 'more' dancers could have
been voted out? only the first one the rest would have gone anyway. He came across as silly.
James Jordan is nothing but self-contradictory, a sour loser and a heartless idiot. I actually felt sorry for his departure, not any more. He's just a extremely horrible guy. I wish they'll never ask him back ever again.
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