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Jame Jorden, WTF are you going on about??
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Spinaker5
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Frank Mag:
“Totally agree all three people expressed the same thing.

I liked John at first but like he said himself the joke is wearing thin”

My own view is that if James had kept his mouth shut, Cherie leaving would have been sufficient to start to draw the voting to the best dancers. John may think he knows about voting but He doesn't know that much about voting on Strictly. I agree with Craig that John would have gone in a week or two. Only one person can win and that person would still have won.
CoolGloo
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Fairynuff:
“He's getting to dance because the schedule has been prepared for the number of dancers left in the show. Or would you prefer another 2 minutes of Brucie jokes?”

So..........what did they do when Kelly Brook dropped out?
lilhunni_Jo
19-11-2008
Urghhhh James annoyed me so much there His comments probably contributed to John quitting and then he says he's being selfish...wtf?!

Didn't like him much to start with but really really gone off him now.
bluebluecow
19-11-2008
I thought that they where doing the dance as a thankyou for the people who voted last week to see him dance this week, so that they honer the contract of the voting to see your fav couple dance next week

But since the "baddy " of all this said it it must be wrong, since he cant do anything right

BBC
peely
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Death_or_glory:
“I agree totally with James.

JS obviously thinks he's bigger than the show
and I don't think he's being honest about his reasons for leaving in this unsatisfactory way. He keeps telling us he's an expert on voting but seems happy enough to disregard the results of voting on SCD by quitting.”

Aaaarggh, that's not what he's saying. However, he is saying that all the hype, debate and controversy about him is bigger than the show, and potentially could have ruined the chance for a decent dancer to win!!

Actually, I think he's left because the atmosphere means its not fun any longer, and its not that important to him anyway.
soulmate61
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by bingoes:
“He should be dumped along with his miserable wife ”

That's unfair. Ola fell out with James because she supports John.
RichmondBlue
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Krispiecake:
“The judges created the controversy, not John. He was just playing by the rules of the show. If the judges had not kicked up such a fuss about John staying in every week, NONE of this would have happened.”

Agree entirely. If the judges had treated the whole thing light heartedly ( in the same way as they have done in previous years ) then John still be in the show. The judges started taking the whole thing far too seriously, they then tried to back-track and cool things down but the damage was done.
The big lie was saying " its only the same as other years "..it wasn't. The whole business had got out of hand, the BBC know that..thats why they are have not been critical of John's decision.
CoolGloo
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by bluebluecow:
“I thought that they where doing the dance as a thankyou for the people who voted last week to see him dance this week, so that they honer the contract of the voting to see your fav couple dance next week

But since the "baddy " of all this said it it must be wrong, since he cant do anything right

BBC”

What sense does that make? Loads of people voted for Cherie last week too
Shinyperson
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“Surely you must see that James saying what he did on the Results Show is what precipitated John's withdrawal. If he had waited until ITT things might have been different.”


That's so silly. James' comments have only really been lept on in forums and haven't particularly been reported into the media at large.

I also think that the comments levelled at James and Ola (not by you Spinaker) have been over the top, distasteful and nasty. James has explained himself plenty of times - poor man.

How can people possibly criticise anything he is saying with such vile, abusive language - which, in my opinion, makes them much worse that the crimes that they are levelling at James.
Chilli Dragon
19-11-2008
I find James Jordan particularly unpleasant...I've tried to like him but can't. Brendan gets away with it because he can dance well, James is bland...but he is very unlikeable.

I wouldn't vote for James if he was dancing with Xabi Alonso - topless!
bob ling
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“That's unfair. Ola fell out with James because she supports John.”

Yes I think Ola should be encouraged to move out of the family home, and dump the toss-pot.

I have a spare room.
Snaggle
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“James came across very badly today, and on Saturday. Although he is entitled to his opinion, the way this opinion is conveyed counts. I think it's very bad manners attacking another couple even if it is indirectly. I hope if he comes back, he gets the worst partner of all and is then told by someone else that the public should vote for the best dancer. Has anyone actually considered how disrespectful his comment was to Kristina on Saturday? I had warmed to James this year, but now I realise it was all for show.”

He didn't attack another couple - he asked the PUBLIC to vote on the dancing. How is that disrespectful to Kristina. I admire him for his courage to say what he said - he could have taken the easy option and kept his mouth shut.

I like John, but I guess the way I look at it is that it is a DANCE competition, not who can be entertaining dancing badly. HOWEVER if the public wanted him (John) to stay then that's fine by me - but it just moved it out of being a dancing competition into something else, which I was beginning to find sad.
soulmate61
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Snaggle:
“Totally agree with James. All he is effectively saying is that John should have stayed and been voted off by the public.”

... under James's command.
Sallyforth
19-11-2008
I think James' reaction stems from twice in a row being put out of the competition in the dance off because a lesser dancer had stayed in on the public vote. I wonder if he would be saying so much if he and Cherie had stayed?
peely
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by chipstick10:
“I dont blame john in the slightest, if any of the celebs or pros were anywhere near as nasty as James can you imagine the atmosphere back stage.? They are all so desperate to win.”

Quite....
bob ling
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“... under James's command.”

God bless you for using the apostrophe correctly.
JethroUK
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Snaggle:
“Jame's was very clear - what he said on Sunday was for the PUBLIC to vote for the dancing.”

...and not for John


he might as well of added since there is no other meaning to his comment

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Sid_1979
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Sallyforth:
“I think James' reaction stems from twice in a row being put out of the competition in the dance off because a lesser dancer had stayed in on the public vote. I wonder if he would be saying so much if he and Cherie had stayed?”

Or if it was him paired with the less able celeb?

He principals seem to change on a whim.
xsalsafanx
19-11-2008
James was out of order tonight - it's fine to have an opinion but not to express it in such an unpleasant way.

Brian on the other hand is so lovely, I really hope him and Kristina return next year.
Snaggle
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“... under James's command.”

No just his opinion.
JethroUK
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Puffle:
“I totally agreed with James - basically JS didn't want to go through the humiliation of a dance off - er why??? ..”

Except you know that is not the reason he is quiting - it just satisfies you to think so - in fact i'm sure James wishes he thought of that
Spinaker5
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Shinyperson:
“That's so silly. James' comments have only really been lept on in forums and haven't particularly been reported into the media at large.

I also think that the comments levelled at James and Ola (not by you Spinaker) have been over the top, distasteful and nasty. James has explained himself plenty of times - poor man.

How can people possibly criticise anything he is saying with such vile, abusive language - which, in my opinion, makes them much worse that the crimes that they are levelling at James.”

My point was that James said what he said infront of a large audience and the other pro dancers, which must have made John feel very uncomfortable. Like some of the other dancers he's passionate about what he does and he spoke in the heat of the moment. He probably now regrets it.

I agree that any criticisms of James should be made without abusing either him or Ola.
Snaggle
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by JethroUK:
“...and not for John


he might as well of added since there is no other meaning to his comment

.”

No that's you adding that.

I agree with him - we should be voting on the dancing. In fact there are couples that I don't warm to as people but I think they are dancing fantastically and I would vote for them. I just agree with James it should be about the dancing. That's my personal opinion, however if the public do want to keep dancers in that don't dance as well then I have to go along with that. But it just changes the show for me into one that isn't so entertaining.
soulmate61
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Muinimula:
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I agree with James in a couple of respects:

1. This has now become the John Sergeant show. All the focus is on him, and the other couples are getting forgotten, which is ridiculous.

.”

The public of 10 million do not read this forum of 1,000 or the BBC forum. They warm to John and Kristina, and NOT to James, and James is incandescent with rage. Last year the public warmed to Kenny (partnered by Ola) to a lesser degree, and James did no protesting.

It is the judges' behaviour which turned John into the superstar of SCD. With more reasonable behaviour from judges John would have remained a minor attraction.
uptowngirl
19-11-2008
James has his opinions like everyone else BUT out of respect for his colleague Kristina he should have shown some restraint and aired his views in a more diplomatic way. Calling John selfish just shows how immature and unaware of other people's feelings he is. Imagine if John had been partnered with Ola, would he be saying the same things now? I think not!
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