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John - utterly petulant and childish.
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FelineFantastic
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by *Laura*:
“Also people seem to forget that he said he woke up 4am and made his decision. That suggests to me; he's not been sleeping because of the furore caused by the his remaining in the competition.”

And maybe deciding what to pack for his upcoming Panama cruise!

Sorry but for goodness sakes this whole thing is being taken as seriously as the PM resigning or the Queen abdicating!

He;s a savvy media hound who managed to get an entire days press for himself with this and portray himself how he wanted- and I don't blame him but I don't fall for the Saint John slays the big bad bullies either.

For those who didn't see it he said he got on well with the judges backstage just as an aside.
CoolGloo
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by vidalia:
“He wasn't the story there though, he was the observer. I believe there is a difference.”

You are right, the pressure of being in a war zone can't compare to being told your samba is bad
Castanet
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Blue Robot:
“When you turn on your PC / phone / read the papers and find how 'you shouldn't be there' is the main topic of conversation, when your wife receives phone calls demanding you apologise to other contestants, when one of the pro dancers publically brays for you to be removed (by public vote or otherwise), it's pretty much time to walk away.”

John was left with no choice other than to walk away and, as for James Jordan's comment on 'It Takes Two' this evening, I have gone right off him. He has a nasty touch of sour grapes for having been voted off last Saturday and he also made a snide comment that evening too.

John did the gentlemanly thing - he was bullied into making this decision and I wish him and Kristina all the best for the future.

Even though I never voted for John, I still found him to be good entertainment. He always brought a smile to my face anyway.
kazmson
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Aleksis:
“He didn't give a crap about dancing, imo;”

I really think that's why it was so easy for him to leave. He liked being with Kristina, performing and being funny...but the dancing thing didn't really get into his blood, unlike everyone else, who at this stage are still enjoying it but also seriously focussed and don't want to go.
pickledgherkin
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Aleksis:
“After all those weeks of people voting to keep him in he just goes and flounces off in a huff because SOME people thought he didn't deserve to be there. ("I'm being bullied! Waah!")

John kept blabbing endlessly by about "the rules of the game" and how he doesn't do anything wrong - but John, the judges aren't doing anything wrong by thinking you're an atrocious dancer and that by being voted in you take up place for a more promising dancer.

The judges were attacking/disagreeing with the voters, yet he's taken it completely as a personal attack and has quite childishly chosen to sulk off the programme.

I didn't like him still being there, but I did think it was fun that he was basically sticking it to the format and highlighting a very glaring flaw in it - i.e. the debate about "entertainment" vs. "competition". He's spoilt it, though. He didn't give a crap about dancing, imo; he just wanted to generate publicity for himself - and he's doing it again by storming off like this.

I guess we lost Cherie for nothing, then.”

Don't talk rubbish. A man of John's stature does not need publicity, certainly not of this nature.

I wish he had stayed but I respect his integrity. He wasn't sulking or blubbing. He didn't "storm off", he made a considered decision.

He was put in a terribly difficult position, far worse than Kate or Julian or Christopher ever were.

What gets me is the damage limitation now going on - James Jordan, the judges, etc, backtracking and trying to blame John. Looks like some people are falling for it too.
Paace
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Aleksis:
“ He didn't give a crap about dancing, imo; he just wanted to generate publicity for himself - and he's doing it again by storming off like this.”

If you believe this about John, you haven't a clue how to read people.
John as I'm sure all the celebs enter the competition for their own enjoyment. I'm sure he never in a million years thought his presence in the competition would generate such animosity towards himself. As he stated tonight if he remained he would no longer be able to find it an enjoyable experience with all the hostility directed at him. So as a decent, honest , sensitive man he felt the way to end all this ridiculous, stupid hype surrounding his stay in the competition was to leave.
Ignazio
19-11-2008
Demands for him to quit flood the boards - and when he does just that it's a publicity seeking flounce.

He explains his position with dignity and is accused of sulking.

Please John haters - tell us just what you want from him?
sas2706
19-11-2008
I have detested his appearance on the show ever since he made the comment "I know the public will save us". It was a smug, arrogant comment made by a man who began to believe that this series was all about him and by walking now he has tried to ensure that it will be.

Good riddance to him!!!!!!!!!
SCD-Observer
19-11-2008
I have said this in similar threads and I copy and paste here:

I recalled in ITT earlier in the series the pros and celebs were asked who they think would win Strictly.

I recalled Tom and Jodie picked Cherie, based on dance merit.

I recalled James picked Andrew, and the reason, he gave, was Andrew was dancing with his wife (huh?) and GMTV celebs always do well and go far in the competition.

Now if we take that into consideration, surely James IS contradicting himself asking people to vote for better dancers when he said such a thing?

I would have been less surprised if he said he thought Cherie would win, but he specifically picked Andrew, and I am sure he already knew from watching his cha-cha and the boy's group dance that Andrew is nowhere near the dance ability of Austin and Tom?!?!
Smokeychan1
19-11-2008
When John stands in front of the judges on a saturday night, they have their chance to insult John to his face all they like - as he said himself, he knew harsh comments during the judges critique were part and parcel of the show.

But honestly Aleksis it beggar's belief that you and too, too many others can claim it isn't a personal insult to John when the judges (& James) publically criticise the public for voting for him.

Whats more, it insults the public too. And that isnt on, especially as John was far from being the worse dancer on last weekends show. Thankfully, a lot of us arent too precious to admit it
dome
19-11-2008
Some people are never satisfied.

There have been posts on here demanding he step down, now he has, that is wrong as well.

Make up your mind, because it is you who are actually killing the show not John.
SCD-Observer
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“When John stands in front of the judges on a saturday night, they have their chance to insult John to his face all they like - as he said himself, he knew harsh comments during the judges critique were part and parcel of the show.

But honestly Aleksis it beggar's belief that you and too, too many others can claim it isn't a personal insult to John when the judges (& James) publically criticise the public for voting for him.

Whats more, it insults the public too. And that isnt on, especially as John was far from being the worse dancer on last weekends show. Thankfully, a lot of us arent too precious to admit it ”

John has improved, but he was the worst dancer last Saturday. I agreed with the positions of the leaderboard.
FeelLikeDancin'
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Paace:
“So as a decent, honest , sensitive man he felt the way to end all this ridiculous, stupid hype surrounding his stay in the competition was to leave.”

except that the press conference and appearances on tv have only added to the hype
Ignazio
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by FeelLikeDancin':
“except that the press conference and appearances on tv have only added to the hype ”

Did he arrange them?
FeelLikeDancin'
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Did he arrange them?”

he's a media expert, surely he must be clueless about the effect of releasing such a statement
Ignazio
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by FeelLikeDancin':
“he's a media expert, surely he must be clueless about the effect of releasing such a statement ”

People have been screaming for his resignation - they have whipped up the frenzy. He gives them what they want and still they accuse him of seeking attention.

Had he resigned and given no explanation, do you really think he would have been left alone? Do you think for one minute that the media would not have demanded comment and clarification.

Give it a rest - those who wanted him out have got their own way - be happy with your hollow victory.
meeee10
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by sas2706:
“I have detested his appearance on the show ever since he made the comment "I know the public will save us". It was a smug, arrogant comment made by a man who began to believe that this series was all about him and by walking now he has tried to ensure that it will be.

Good riddance to him!!!!!!!!!”

LOL! I thought the 'i know the public will save us' quote was very tongue in cheek...I can't really believe anyone took it seriously!
meeee10
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Demands for him to quit flood the boards - and when he does just that it's a publicity seeking flounce.

He explains his position with dignity and is accused of sulking.

Please John haters - tell us just what you want from him?”

I absolutely agree Ignazio!
Satchmo
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by dome:
“Some people are never satisfied.

There have been posts on here demanding he step down, now he has, that is wrong as well.

Make up your mind, because it is you who are actually killing the show not John.”

No, it's the stupid people who have voted for John, not for entertainment value, but to spite the show and the judges who have killed the show.

The judges have been no more vehement in their critique of John than they have of other less able dancers but John's 'cuddliness, innocence' factor has got people up in arms that they dare 'bully' such a sweet old man.

Had he got to the final/won SCD then it would (IMO) have been the death knell of the program because who would sign up, knowing that no matter how hard they danced or trained, their fate was in the hands of an underdog loving public
amesouer
19-11-2008
Hi guys

Erm, two things which are going to be CONTROVERSIAL so please don't hate me

I kinda agree with what James said about John wanting to make this series all about him

And I thought John was horrible telling Claudia Kristina was fine when she desperately needed a cuddle

Sorry guys
meeee10
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Satchmo:
“Had he got to the final/won SCD then it would (IMO) have been the death knell of the program because who would sign up, knowing that no matter how hard they danced or trained, their fate was in the hands of an underdog loving public”

What about Christopher Parker though who got to the final despite being pretty rubbish? The show has continued just as successfully (if not more so) since then!
Ignazio
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Satchmo:
“No, it's the stupid people who have voted for John, not for entertainment value, but to spite the show and the judges who have killed the show.

The judges have been no more vehement in their critique of John than they have of other less able dancers but John's 'cuddliness, innocence' factor has got people up in arms that they dare 'bully' such a sweet old man.

Had he got to the final/won SCD then it would (IMO) have been the death knell of the program because who would sign up, knowing that no matter how hard they danced or trained, their fate was in the hands of an underdog loving public”

Well God forfend that we put our money where our mouths are.
SCD-Observer
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“People have been screaming for his resignation - they have whipped up the frenzy. He gives them what they want and still they accuse him of seeking attention.

Had he resigned and given no explanation, do you really think he would have been left alone? Do you think for one minute that the media would not have demanded comment and clarification.

Give it a rest - those who wanted him out have got their own way - be happy with your hollow victory.”

I didn't want John out, but voted out if he's bad in his dancing, and not out by him quitting.

I can see how he chose to quit. It's not fun for him anymore. But I think there are a lot of disappointed fans out there who genuinely support him. But there are those who will be livid because perhaps they've bet on him, they wanted to see car-crash tv and continuously want to keep him in to humiliate him (I had the hunch he felt that way, and tonight's ITT he confirms it himself).

He did what he thought was right. I don't agree quitting is the best solution personally.
Gwydhyel
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by FeelLikeDancin':
“except that the press conference and appearances on tv have only added to the hype ”

The BBC arranged the press conference. John was asked to go along with it, and he did. Do you really think they would allow him to take of BBC television centre by himself?
Ignazio
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“I didn't want John out, but voted out if he's bad in his dancing, and not out by him quitting.

I can see how he chose to quit. It's not fun for him anymore. But I think there are a lot of disappointed fans out there who genuinely support him. But there are those who will be livid because perhaps they've bet on him, they wanted to see car-crash tv and continuously want to keep him in to humiliate him (I had the hunch he felt that way, and tonight's ITT he confirms it himself).

He did what he thought was right. I don't agree quitting is the best solution personally.”

It's not ideal - but why stay to be pilloried every week just to satisfy the rubber neckers?
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