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John - utterly petulant and childish.
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tabithakitten
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by meeee10:
“LOL! I thought the 'i know the public will save us' quote was very tongue in cheek...I can't really believe anyone took it seriously!”

Indeed. Perhaps he should have done the whole "Nudge, nudge, wink wink say no more" Eric Idle act just so that people understood where he was coming from. Unfortunately he's a little more subtle than that.
FeelLikeDancin'
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“People have been screaming for his resignation - they have whipped up the frenzy. He gives them what they want and still they accuse him of seeking attention.

Had he resigned and given no explanation, do you really think he would have been left alone? Do you think for one minute that the media would not have demanded comment and clarification.

Give it a rest - those who wanted him out have got their own way - be happy with your hollow victory.”

grow up, I haven't been screaming for his resignation and I couldn't care less whether he's on the show or not. I'm just not buying his act :yawn:
gerry d
19-11-2008
He didn't go in a huff.The judges weren't exactly making him feel welcome & James Jordan's outburst didn't help matters also.I don't blame him not wanting to stay in that enviroment.
SCD-Observer
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“It's not ideal - but why stay to be pilloried every week just to satisfy the rubber neckers?”

I only thought when he was harrassed by the press, that must have left terrible and bitter taste for him. So based on that, I can sort of understand why he came to the conclusion to leave. But like Kate said, he's not doing his GENUINE fans who voted for him for the right reasons (not sabotage, spiteful etc. kinda votes).
Satchmo
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“It's not ideal - but why stay to be pilloried every week just to satisfy the rubber neckers?”

....but you were the people keeping him there to be 'rubber necked', as you put it

I fail to understand a public that vote to keep someone in a competition who is plainly not up to the task, and who then moan when he gets criticised. What did you expect - that he'd suddenly become Fred Astaire?
pickledgherkin
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by CoolGloo:
“Quite right, he is obviously very used to getting it all his own way

This series has climaxed perfectly for him

He said on it takes two, I would probably have won it., ”

He didn't think he would have won it, he said it was possible that he would win and that would be a joke too far.

Especially with po-faced earnest humourless competitors (albeit excellent dancers) like Tom and Austin talking over his head and making seemingly innocent remarks with false smiles about not bothering to work hard at their techniques any more, etc. James Jordan backing them up.
dome
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Satchmo:
“No, it's the stupid people who have voted for John, not for entertainment value, but to spite the show and the judges who have killed the show.

The judges have been no more vehement in their critique of John than they have of other less able dancers but John's 'cuddliness, innocence' factor has got people up in arms that they dare 'bully' such a sweet old man.

Had he got to the final/won SCD then it would (IMO) have been the death knell of the program because who would sign up, knowing that no matter how hard they danced or trained, their fate was in the hands of an underdog loving public”

The people who have voted for him are far from stupid.

It says a great deal about today's society if that is the opinion though.
Ignazio
19-11-2008
Quote:
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Originally Posted by Satchmo:
“....but you were the people keeping him there to be 'rubber necked', as you put it”

His genuine fans certainly didn't keep him for the sake of the rubberneckers. They kept him there because they enjoyed seeing a charming, articulate, witty and self deprecating man take part in an entertainment show.

Unfortunately the hysteria whipped up by his detractors and the judges led to the frenzy that ensued - with the result that the rubberneckers tuned in just for the latest instalment. I doubt if they ever put their hands in their pockets to vote for him - they just love a car crash.

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“I fail to understand a public that vote to keep someone in a competition who is plainly not up to the task, and then moans when he gets criticised. What did you expect - that he'd suddenly become Fred Astaire?”
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Constructive criticism is to be expected on a show like SCD, personal remarks in a (failed) attempt to be witty are unacceptable. e.g. fellow 64 year old Len's 'Help the Aged,' remark.

John declined to be at the centre of a 'bloody battle' any longer and resigned. Those who had been calling for his head got their way - yet now accuse him of flouncing.

I doubt if they will be satisfied until he literally falls on his sword - and they see the bloody bandage to prove it.
Satchmo
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by dome:
“The people who have voted for him are far from stupid.

It says a great deal about today's society if that is the opinion though.”

If you bothered to actually read my post, you'd see that it refers to the people who have absolutely no interest in the show but want to jump on the 'vote JS' bandwagon
Satchmo
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Constructive criticism is to be expected on a show like SCD, personal remarks in a (failed) attempt to be witty are unacceptable. e.g. fellow 64 year old Len's 'Help the Aged,' remark.

John declined to be at the centre of a 'bloody battle' any longer and resigned. Those who had been calling for his head got their way - yet now accuse him of flouncing.

I doubt if they will be satisfied until he literally falls on his sword - and they see the bloody bandage to prove it.”

Jesus, that was a joke for crying out loud... much as Lens remark to Mark Foster - you stick to swimming and I'll stick to dancing.

I despair that people take every remark as some sort of personal slur against John
Ignazio
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Satchmo:
“Jesus, that was a joke for crying out loud... much as Lens remark to Mark Foster - you stick to swimming and I'll stick to dancing.

I despair that people take every remark as some sort of personal slur against John”

Len thought it funny certainly - but I doubt if he'd make a living as a comedian. Where was the constructive criticism, the advice to work on the following week?

For the record I thought the remarks made to Mark Foster were equally appalling.

The judges should stick to judging - not make embarrassing attempts at comedy.
PurpleRiley
19-11-2008
May I possibly put my cap in the ring as a 'voice of reason'?? I liked John, he was highly entertaining, but at the same time I like Cherie and was sad to see her go on Sat.

Reports flooded in on Monday about how 'john wandered aimlessly' when everyone was bidding farewell to Cherie and how 'Noone could look him in the eye', if you were in his position would you like that?? You had James Jordon saying 'Please vote for the dancing' and then when John leaves he calls him selfish!! He was one of the victims of the John Machine and with him gone it is the Dancing competition that JJ wanted, that will still be entertaining

If you came onto the forums some would say (excuse the paraphrasing) 'Why is John still in? Better dancers are leaving, whoever is voting for John please stop' . To which the reply would be (again paraphrasing) 'Who are you to say how I should spend my money? I can vote for who I want, The Judges don't like him so I will keep him in, because you want him out I am going to vote for him'.

I can see why John has done this and as Bruce said 'Somethings Gotta give'. I know Kristina has been on the forums and she will have read some of the things. The country is literally divided and everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinon, but I think this has gone a bit far.

Sorry if I have offended anyone
dome
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Satchmo:
“If you bothered to actually read my post, you'd see that it refers to the people who have absolutely no interest in the show but want to jump on the 'vote JS' bandwagon”

Many have enjoyed John and Kristina's dance and their natural warmth.

I doubt that majority have voted for him for the reason you state.

The boards and press are always ready to over egg these conspiracies but few actually in reality waste their money on such things.

As for bullying, John would never allow himself to be a victim, but the judges have revelled in their bullying tactics in the press.

If anyone is to blame it's the witch hunt that they have stirred up in the press after the show has aired.

If he had stayed this week the same people would have been calling for his head and John would have been blamed for making it all about him no doubt.

The show has been wrecked by them and anyone who buys into their venom imo.
puddytat
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Aleksis:
“After all those weeks of people voting to keep him in he just goes and flounces off in a huff because SOME people thought he didn't deserve to be there. ("I'm being bullied! Waah!")

John kept blabbing endlessly by about "the rules of the game" and how he doesn't do anything wrong - but John, the judges aren't doing anything wrong by thinking you're an atrocious dancer and that by being voted in you take up place for a more promising dancer.

The judges were attacking/disagreeing with the voters, yet he's taken it completely as a personal attack and has quite childishly chosen to sulk off the programme.

I didn't like him still being there, but I did think it was fun that he was basically sticking it to the format and highlighting a very glaring flaw in it - i.e. the debate about "entertainment" vs. "competition". He's spoilt it, though. He didn't give a crap about dancing, imo; he just wanted to generate publicity for himself - and he's doing it again by storming off like this.

I guess we lost Cherie for nothing, then.”

My God, he just can't win, can he?? If he stays he's depriving other people of the chance to win, if he goes, he's flouncing off in a huff. Poor guy is doing his best but looks like he can't please some people. Give him a break!
Satchmo
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Len thought it funny certainly - but I doubt if he'd make a living as a comedian. Where was the constructive criticism, the advice to work on the following week?

For the record I thought the remarks made to Mark Foster were equally appalling.

The judges should stick to judging - not make embarrassing attempts at comedy.”

It's a 'light entertainment show' surely so why not a bit of comedy?
quelquechose
19-11-2008
It isn't John who has spoilt the show, or the judges.

The people who have spoiled the show are those morons who kept voting for him simply in order to annoy and irritate the judges.
Ignazio
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Satchmo:
“It's a 'light entertainment show' surely so why not a bit of comedy?”

Do you mean attempted comedy?

Strange that so many of John's detractors found his dancing comedic but unappealing.

And at the risk of repeating myself - where was the constructive criticism in the comments made to both John and Mark?
Ignazio
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by quelquechose:
“It isn't John who has spoilt the show, or the judges.

The people who have spoiled the show are those morons who kept voting for him simply in order to annoy and irritate the judges.”

It's the morons who wept and wailed and gnashed their teeth each time he was voted through who spoilt the show.
Satchmo
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Do you mean attempted comedy?

Strange that so many of John's detractors found his dancing comedic but unappealing.

And at the risk of repeating myself - where was the constructive criticism in the comments made to both John and Mark?”

Hang on a mo....when JS was marching boldly over better dancers it was, to quote many JS fans 'light entertainment' and not about the dancing, and now you want constructive criticism which many of the other couples have failed to get.
Pebbles1975
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“It's the morons who wept and wailed and gnashed their teeth each time he was voted through who spoilt the show.”

Exactly its a light entertainment show people take it too seriously i dont want to watch 12 bland celebrities who can dance flawlessly each week.
Mini4x4
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by amesouer:
“Hi guys

Erm, two things which are going to be CONTROVERSIAL so please don't hate me

I kinda agree with what James said about John wanting to make this series all about him

And I thought John was horrible telling Claudia Kristina was fine when she desperately needed a cuddle

Sorry guys”

I thought his attitude towards Kristina, who was clearly upset, very odd. It was like, never mind her, look and listen to me, me, me. Twice Claudia mentioned that she needed a hug.
peely
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Satchmo:
“Hang on a mo....when JS was marching boldly over better dancers it was, to quote many JS fans 'light entertainment' and not about the dancing, and now you want constructive criticism which many of the other couples have failed to get.”


Er no, John was kept in by public support (for whatever the individual reasoning), not by "marching boldly over better dancers", just the same Everest was first climbed by so and so, not that "Everest was conquered".
amesouer
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Mini4x4:
“I thought his attitude towards Kristina, who was clearly upset, very odd. It was like, never mind her, look and listen to me, me, me. Twice Claudia mentioned that she needed a hug.”

I know! It frustrated me so much that Kristina, who is clearly hurt by the days events was so upset! It made me dislike John even more

Do you think this series will recover from this whole conflict or will we remember the gorgeous Natasha, brilliant Jill, strong Darren, hot Mark, amazing Alesha and the one who won the year John Sergeant was in it?
peely
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Mini4x4:
“I thought his attitude towards Kristina, who was clearly upset, very odd. It was like, never mind her, look and listen to me, me, me. Twice Claudia mentioned that she needed a hug.”

Yep that was a bit cold of him I have to say.
Ignazio
19-11-2008
Originally Posted by Satchmo:
“Hang on a mo....when JS was marching boldly over better dancers it was, to quote many JS fans 'light entertainment' and not about the dancing, and now you want constructive criticism which many of the other couples have failed to get.”

I'm sure you're enjoying perpetuating this - but let me make this clear once and for all.

I have always sought professional, constructive criticism from the judges in exchange for their very hefty remuneration. Their attempts at comedy fail miserably and are downright embarrassing.

You may continue to question my every comment, my every post. It's a forum and you have that right, but I won't feel compelled to change my view simply because you badger me.
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